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Rumbling on the Hard-Right
The Washington Times ^ | December 30, 2003 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/30/2003 11:44:49 AM PST by GunsareOK

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush is beginning to anger certain hard-line conservatives, particularly over fiscal issues, the way his father did in the year before he lost to Bill Clinton in 1992.

It's not clear how deep the dissatisfaction goes, and whether it will translate to damage at the polls in November.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 2004elections; bush; conservativevote; cutnosespiteface; electionpresident; gwb2004; twopercenters; votegfordean; wastedvotes
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I'm one of the "hard-line conservatives" who won't be voting for Bush.
1 posted on 12/30/2003 11:44:49 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: GunsareOK
I'm one of the "hard-line conservatives" who won't be voting for Bush.

You're also not a conservative whatsoever.

2 posted on 12/30/2003 11:46:03 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
I am not voting for Bush. I'm voting against Dean and his fellow dwarves, against Nader, against McKinney, against...

Get it?
3 posted on 12/30/2003 11:46:16 AM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: GunsareOK
It's not clear how deep the dissatisfaction goes,

Not very.

and whether it will translate to damage at the polls in November.

It won't.

GWB will win in a landslide and crush the Dean-supporting FRinge FReaks.

4 posted on 12/30/2003 11:47:26 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: Little Ray
I am not voting for Bush. I'm voting against Dean and his fellow dwarves, against Nader, against McKinney, against...

And that's a respectable position.

As a conservative though, I will be whole-heartedly voting for GWB. He's done an amazing job for conservatism.

5 posted on 12/30/2003 11:49:07 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
"I'm beginning, for the first time, [to hear] people talk about 'it would not be the worst thing in the world if Howard Dean were president,' because the size of government would stay still rather than increase 50 percent under a second Bush administration."

Bush’s spending decisions have absolutely sucked ass, but this is just retard talk.

6 posted on 12/30/2003 11:50:09 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Excuse me Sir, but you are wrong on that one. I am indeed a conservative who will vote for the Constitution Party, the America First Party, or the Libertarian Party or I may write in Tom Tancredo.

You may disagree with my choice. I respect yours, but I AM a conservative.

7 posted on 12/30/2003 11:50:28 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Little Ray
I am with you on this one.
8 posted on 12/30/2003 11:52:16 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: GunsareOK
"I'm beginning, for the first time, [to hear] people talk about 'it would not be the worst thing in the world if Howard Dean were president,'

LOL....yeah, no conservative would ever say that.

9 posted on 12/30/2003 11:53:14 AM PST by Always Right
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To: GunsareOK
Excuse me Sir, but you are wrong on that one. I am indeed a conservative who will vote for the Constitution Party, the America First Party, or the Libertarian Party or I may write in Tom Tancredo.

None of which are even remotely close to choices a true conservative would make. You're really not much of a conservative at all. I don't know your exact beliefs, but it's very obvious you are no kind of conservative in any manner. I'd imagine you're probably just another one of the national socialist populist union and "middle class" supporting types that lurk around here. Don't kid yourself. You're not a conservative. Conservatives only have one choice in 2004 and the overwhelming majority of them will make that choice happily.

10 posted on 12/30/2003 11:53:34 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
I am not a hard core conservative, I consider myself a mainstream Conservative and I will not be voting for Bush in the Presidential election, especially with his coming endorsement of amnesty for illegals. Between that and his CFR idiocy he lost my vote.

I will however never vote for Dean or any of the other Anti-American/Pro-Muslim crowd. That leaves not voting in the Pres. election or voting Constitution Party, since I value my vote, I will be voting for the Constitutional party in the Pres. election and true conservatives in all others.

12 posted on 12/30/2003 11:54:41 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: GunsareOK
I am pissed off too....but Guns are my issue.

I will vote for him if he lets the assault weapons ban fall. If he doesn't...I will sit it out.
13 posted on 12/30/2003 11:55:23 AM PST by antaresequity (...)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Yeah, he may lose a few conservative votes from people staying home, but there will be more than enough extra moderates to make up for them.
14 posted on 12/30/2003 11:55:23 AM PST by expatpat
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To: GunsareOK
I'm one of the "hard-line conservatives" who won't be voting for Bush.

Me too.
15 posted on 12/30/2003 11:55:36 AM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: antaresequity
I am pissed off too

Like with most of the FRinge, I'm sure GWB has very little to do with this fact.

16 posted on 12/30/2003 11:57:24 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
I'm one of the "hard-line conservatives" who won't be voting for Bush.

Is it because of his fiscal policies, or his policies that help Israel?

17 posted on 12/30/2003 11:57:59 AM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: VU4G10
Me too.

National socialist? Possibly. Conservative? Not a chance.

18 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:09 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
Ok, your name goes in the "Damn Fool" category. Who, oh wise one are you going to vote for?
19 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:14 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: GunsareOK; gatorbait
NO real conservative would help a Democrat get elected.

Voting for some 3rd party is taking a vote away from Bush.

You and people like you are exactly the ones who gave us 8 years of Clinton.

If all the conservatives had voted for Bush I, instead of Perot or some other third party candidate, Bush I had beaten Clinton.

You are personally responsible for the damage Clinton has done to the country for 8 years.

As some pointed out, it's your choice, sure, you can vote directly for Dean, why bother pretending, but you most certainly not entitled to call yourself a conservative, when you are aiding the election of a Democrat.

Anyone aiding and enabling a Democrat to get elected, especially in these critical times is just plain enemy of the US and the American people.
20 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:17 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: GunsareOK
So what will your endorsement for Howard Dean accomplish?
21 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:52 AM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: Texas_Dawg
I've done a lot more with the DC Chapter than "lurk around." My record with them speaks for itself and I am not part of the "national socialist populist union" anything. If you wish to drink the Bushite Koolaid, be my guest.
22 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:57 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: expatpat
"Yeah, he may lose a few conservative votes from people staying home, but there will be more than enough extra moderates to make up for them."

Independents make up 30-40 percent of the voting public, have you talked to any independents recently? If not for the IND. vote Bush would have lost in a landslide in 2000. Something to keep in mind.

23 posted on 12/30/2003 11:59:13 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: Always Right
"I'm beginning, for the first time, [to hear] people talk about 'it would not be the worst thing in the world if Howard Dean were president,'


"LOL....yeah, no conservative would ever say that."

==

EXACLTY!
24 posted on 12/30/2003 11:59:54 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Always Right
I didn't say it. The article made the point that others have said it. I don't want Dean or anyone like him to be President.
25 posted on 12/30/2003 12:00:12 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: GunsareOK
Governing always does this. The true believers always get mad when their party is in charge, as it has to pander to the middle to get re-elected.

I'm disappointed in CFR, Medicare (although there are some good things in there) and nonmilitary spending increases, but I'm voting for GWB again due mostly to tax cuts, war and terrorsim concerns, ditching Kyoto and the ICC.

26 posted on 12/30/2003 12:00:20 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: antaresequity
I am pissed off too....but Guns are my issue.

I will vote for him if he lets the assault weapons ban fall. If he doesn't...I will sit it out.

I seriously hit my knees and thank God every night that we have a President that does not go out of his way to make people like you happy. We are a much better country and true conservatism is much stronger because of it.

27 posted on 12/30/2003 12:00:20 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
and don't forget Bush's no blanket amnesty for illegals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1048835/posts

28 posted on 12/30/2003 12:01:09 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: GunsareOK
who will vote for the Constitution Party, the America First Party, or the Libertarian Party or I may write in Tom Tancredo.

You might as well do a write in on toilet paper and wipe your butt with it for all the good it will do. Better yet, stay home and pout.

29 posted on 12/30/2003 12:01:31 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: GunsareOK
If you wish to drink the Bushite Koolaid, be my guest.

That's fine. You go drink your Buchananite Koolaid. Good riddance. Conservatism and the GOP are much stronger when we smoke terrorists like you out of your holes (or bunkers, I think you call them).

30 posted on 12/30/2003 12:01:33 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
I'm beginning, for the first time, [to hear] people talk about 'it would not be the worst thing in the world if Howard Dean were president,' because the size of government would stay still rather than increase 50 percent under a second Bush administration."

More proof, if any was needed, that conservatives have our share of total morons.

Grassroots conservatives I know are incredibly enthusiastic about Bush.

31 posted on 12/30/2003 12:02:13 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Abolish the food tax)
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To: JustAnAmerican; GunsareOK
In other words....you'll be helping elect true LIBERALS. How nice.
32 posted on 12/30/2003 12:02:29 PM PST by goodnesswins (On the SIXTH Day of CHRISTMAS........)
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To: dubyaismypresident
And the two disappointments you mention would have been far worse under the only other alternative in our 2-party system. Bush has done hundreds of things for conservatives that would not have happened had he not been voted in (and will cease the minute he and the GOP are voted out).
33 posted on 12/30/2003 12:03:33 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: Little Ray
I'm voting for Bush because I care about our country.
34 posted on 12/30/2003 12:03:48 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: GunsareOK
Even dogs and rabits can be thought, that if you pull the red lever you get something good, if you pull any of the other 3-4 levers, you will get the same terrible thing.

If you vote for Bush, you get Bush, if you vote for anyone else, you are voting for Dean or whoever the Dem nominee will be.

Why is it, that even animals are able to learn the consequences of actions, but a number of humans are incapable of it?
35 posted on 12/30/2003 12:04:02 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: SunStar
His fiscal policies (an Education Bill that panders to NEA teachers who won't vote for him anyway and the drug expansion of medicaid), his failure to control the southern border, and his signing of "campaign finance reform" are my main gripes as well as his reluctant arming of the pilots.
36 posted on 12/30/2003 12:04:32 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: GunsareOK
So legalized drugs is most important to you?
37 posted on 12/30/2003 12:05:00 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: JohnnyZ; All
More proof, if any was needed, that conservatives have our share of total morons.

Please do not kid let yourself be fooled. By no means are these Buchanan FRinge loons conservatives. Get them talking, especially in private, and it NEVER ceases to fail that they share much more in common with the tenets of national socialism than they do with classic Western, American conservatism. Pat Buchanan's latest column is a great example.

38 posted on 12/30/2003 12:05:32 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: OldFriend
I'm voting for Bush because I care about our country.

You are a TRUE conservative.

39 posted on 12/30/2003 12:06:02 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: OldFriend
Ditto. W. has my vote.
40 posted on 12/30/2003 12:06:39 PM PST by TheBigB (...international law is whatever the United States and Great Britain say it is. - Ann Coulter)
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To: fourhorsemen
I do not endorse or support Howard Dean.
41 posted on 12/30/2003 12:06:53 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: goodnesswins
"In other words....you'll be helping elect true LIBERALS. How nice".

What's that old saying, "Sticks and Stones", in this case I could care less how other people think I should vote. Bush is pushing through more socialistic programs then any Dim could ever hope to get through. Bush thinks he is undeafeatable so he will ram illegals,more Welfare and gun bans down our throats knowing people like you will vote for him no matter what he does.

42 posted on 12/30/2003 12:07:50 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: Texas_Dawg
Conservatives only have one choice in 2004 and the overwhelming majority of them will make that choice happily.

Really? The first President Bush assumed that gun owners had 'no where else to go,' after he signed the ban on importation of so-called 'assault weapons.' Guess his assumption wasn't quite correct, and your's may not be, either - especially if the current President Bush renews the '94 Clinton/Feinstein 'assault weapons' ban...

;>)

43 posted on 12/30/2003 12:07:50 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("COME AND TAKE IT!" - Battle of Gonzales, Texas Revolution, 1835)
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To: JustAnAmerican
That leaves not voting in the Pres. election or voting Constitution Party, since I value my vote, I will be voting for the Constitutional party in the Pres. election and true conservatives in all others.

This is like betting on your favorite team in the Super Bowl... even though you're team got eliminated earlier in the playoffs. It's what little 5-year-old brats do... pout when they do not get their way on everything (despite getting what they want in many other cases). Save yourself sometime and just stay home.

44 posted on 12/30/2003 12:08:56 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: GunsareOK
"President Bush is beginning to anger certain hard-line conservatives"

An outright deception and misstatement meant to marginalize every Repu who disagrees.

No surprise from the loafer-licking WT. The bias in their recent editions is overwhelming.
45 posted on 12/30/2003 12:08:59 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Texas_Dawg
He's not a conservative. He spends too much money on things which the Federales have no business buying. He IS a man who stands by his principles and his friends. I don't always like his principles (CFR is fiasco, and promising to sign a new Assault Weapon Ban really p.o.'ed me) or his friends (Presidente Fox and the Saudis), but it is nice to have a man and not a weather-vane for President.
46 posted on 12/30/2003 12:09:08 PM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: GunsareOK
I do not endorse or support Howard Dean.

You also do not support stopping him. That's scary. And definitely not conservative. Quite the opposite actually.

47 posted on 12/30/2003 12:09:38 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: Texas_Dawg
GWB will win in a landslide and crush the Dean-supporting FRinge FReaks.

Does the short sighted, short attention span, short memory, instant gratification, one issue wonder crowd get on your nerves also?

I can't figure out whether they are wearing blinders to realty or simply scared of success.

Short Sighted: A vote not cast for Bush is a vote cast for a liberal.

Short Attention Span: Bills have to pass Congress before they can be signed into law - these things don't just magically appear on the President's desk.

Short Memory: 8 Years of Clinton.

Instant Gratification: The left has loaded the Courts and Agencies with people who think they get to re-write the Constitution. It takes time to fix that. Just because it isn't easy doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.

One Issue Wonder: If I don't get my (exact) way on issue X I'm not voting for him (likely for reasons listed above). That always signifies a genius plan in action.

48 posted on 12/30/2003 12:10:05 PM PST by !1776!
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To: JustAnAmerican
" I will not be voting for Bush in the Presidential election, especially with his coming endorsement of amnesty for illegals."

The Bush Administration has announced they are giving amnesty to illegals ??? When you make a statement like that, I am sure you can provide a link to the official announcement.
49 posted on 12/30/2003 12:11:05 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: OldFriend
I said nothing about legalizing drugs (although it may be a platform of the Libertarian Party).
50 posted on 12/30/2003 12:11:07 PM PST by GunsareOK
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