Skip to comments.General Zinni, what a Ninny
Posted on 12/31/2003 3:05:52 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Discussing the Iraq war with the Washington Post last week, former General Anthony Zinni took the path chosen by so many anti-Semites: he blamed it on the Jews.
Neither President Bush nor Vice-President Cheneynor for that matter Zinnis old friend, Secretary of State Colin Powellwas to blame. It was the Jews. They captured both Bush and Cheney, and Powell was merely being a good soldier.
Technically, the former head of the Central Command in the Middle East didnt say Jews. He instead used a term that has become a new favorite for anti-Semites: neoconservatives. As the name implies, neoconservative was originally meant to denote someone who is a newcomer to the right. In the 90s, many people self-identified themselves as neocons, but today that term has become synonymous with Jews.
And if anybody should know better, its Gen. Zinni. It is well-known that those who are labeled neocons within the administrationwhether the number-two official at the Pentagon, Paul Wolfowitz, or undersecretary of Defense Doug Feithare almost always Jews.
Sadly typical is a Business Week article this May that identified Wolfowitz, Feith, Defense Policy Board member Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official Ken Adelman and Weekly Standard editor William Kristolall Jewsas neocons, yet Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeldneither one Jewishas simply key allies. Policy beliefs and worldviews were not different between these two groups; only religion distinguishes them.
Given that the neocons do not control the Departments of State or Defense nor the National Security Councilgentiles all head those agenciesand given that the White House is clearly run by non-Jews, how is it that Zinni claims that the neocons were responsible for the U.S. liberating Iraq? As he explains to the Post, Somehow, the neocons captured the president. They captured the vice president.
And the Post piece uses dramatic language when discussing Zinnis views on the neocons:
The more he listened to Wolfowitz and other administration officials talk about Iraq, the more Zinni became convinced that interventionist neoconservative ideologues were plunging the nation into a war in a part of the world they didnt understand.
Zinnis comments are eerily similar to those made by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at the Organization of the Islamic Conference summit this October. In a speech that drew a standing ovation from the leaders of Muslim nations in attendance, Mahathir remarked, Today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.
Since Jews make up roughly 2% of the American population and less than a fraction of one percent of the worldsyet attract disproportionately more of the worlds bigoted venomthe only way to perpetuate the hatred of Jews that has existed for centuries is to blame them for controlling vital industries, ruling the world by proxy, or by capturing the leader of the free world and his likewise freely elected vice-president.
Lets suppose for a moment that Zinni, who could not be reached for comment, had no idea that neocon has become code for Jew. At best, his statements were simply ludicrous. Both Cheney and Bush had full knowledge of the unabated evil of Saddam Husseinthe former even having helped lead the Gulf War as the Secretary of Defenseand neither needed to be captured by anyone to understand the need to rid the world of Saddams tyranny.
But now lets suppose Zinni has at least minimal common sense and at least passively follows Washington politics. In that instance, Zinnis comments are not much different than Mahathirsand just as inaccurate. As anyone with even a passing knowledge of the administration can tell you, the president and the vice-president were probably the two biggest advocates for liberating Iraq. Even at the staff level, the majority of the leading hawks were gentiles such as National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice and White House chief of staff Andrew Card.
Its a shame that someone who so honorably served his nation for three decades would tarnish his legacy with such idiotic remarks. If he didnt mean to use neocon as a code word for Jew, he should say so. But if he meant to, then he should just shut up.
What makes people think that just because they don't understand something it means that no one else does either?
It's just too easy throughout history to blame the Jooz.
Pre frontal lobe for sure.
What bothers me about this is that it's as if they're trying to make neoconservatives a protected class that can't be talked about negatively. If you oppose neoconservative policy, you're a closet racist? C'mon, save the race card for the people without arguments.
If you only mention Jews by name, as Zinni did, and Buchanan often does, what is one to think?
There are LOTS of "neoconservatives" who aren't Jews, yet it is always Perle and Wolfowitz who are mentioned by the critics.
Get creative, or risk the accusation.
Not only is such an assertion factually incorrect, it's racist as hell.
I guess that's what Zinni might say, leaving out the word scumbag. I'm not saying that Dog Gone is anything like Zinni, or that he is wrong, just that Zinni might say that.
In my opinion, the heart of Zinni's remarks is as follows: Zinni thinks that the United States is run by these idiots, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, who are controlled by a small cabal of smarter people. Now, if Zinni wasn't thinking Jew, then it would not have been anti-semetic. However, it still would have come out of the same kind of paranoid socialism-of-fools thinking.
What about what Dog Gone says about the Jews? That's just plain true. Why is speculation; hopefully it is on the road to ending, but I have my doubts.
But Perle and Wolfowitz are in positions of power and are the ones crafting and implementing (neoconservative) policy. Of course they're getting mentioned by name. Until this article I honestly had no clue Kristol was Jewish (is he actually?). But he's definitely in the fore of our political culture, and I'd like to think I can disagree with his neoconservative policy views concerning American hegemony (Pax Americana, whatever you want to call it) without being called a racist. That's the kind of distraction the Left engages in, when you critize someone like Jesse Jackson or Julian Bond for the policies they advocate and get called a racist. It lets the accuser dodge responding to the policy arguments and instead divert focus to ad-hominem attacks on the opponent.
Perle is not in the administration in any position.
Look, you are free to criticize neocons. But when people go out of their way to mention certain neocons by name, and they are all Jews, you can be pretty sure what underlies some of the criticism.
If Joel Mowbray isn't a neoconservative, nobody is. Why can't he defend himself? If you stay away from nastiness and insults, you can say whatever you want, and, as Zinni shows, you can probably even get away with insults and nastiness when you keep it a bit ambiguous.
I try to be precise, I said, "But Perle and Wolfowitz are in positions of power and are the ones crafting and implementing (neoconservative) policy." Richard Perle is the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory panel to the Pentagon made up of leading figures in national security and defense, at least according to the info available to me. I consider that a position of power, and one crafting policy. Certainly more so than any of us posting here on FR.
Ambassador to Palestine,maybe? I wish I understood this.It makes me think Zinni had some juicy notes in his FBI files.
There is nothing in the least racist about this comment. However, it doesn't seem all that pro-American either. The US is the most powerful country in the world, and as most powerful nations go historically, we are the least colonialist. The US wants nothing better than to turn over Iraq to the Iraqi people, so long as they don't bring back the terrorist training camps complete with 707 (and I haven't heard there's any controversy over that one).
But wait a second. For whatever reason (I don't know how that label evolved) the people who advocate the policy of aggressive military action with the goal of instituting Pax Americana are called neocons. If you disgree with that policy, and name it's implementers and adherents, you shouldn't be called a racist just because some of them are Jewish. I see this as neocons playing the 'race' card to chill dissent, and that bothers me as much as if anyone else was doing it.
I think your closer then you think. I expect his name to pop up big time after the dems have there nominee. The lefty's are starting to drool over the possibility of having a Dean/Zinni ticket (now that Clark has killed any chance it could be him as VP, someone has got to teach that boy politics).
Zinni as a Dean running mate, could do some damage. (though he was a republican, did vote for Bush, yada yada yada, now regrets it, etc).
I'm old enough to have heard the phrases "chill dissent" and "pax Americana" though five decades. And they have just about always been phrases of the left. Gunslingr3 sounds like he is a foreign policy leftist. That's not an insult, and I'll also mention that Gunslingr3 may also be a good conservative on domestic policy. However, I would just point out that favoring a strong and assertive America has been solid conservativism in the US since before Goldwater, and certainly since then.
My God, that is a brilliant assessment and I think quite accurate. Let's hope the opposition research guys are watching this closely.
Not as bad as the sailors on the USS Cole.
Read George Washington's Farewell Address. Read John Quincy Adams' 'Monsters to Destroy' speech. They encapsulate my foreign policy views. If that's 'leftist', well, whatever...
My guess is that they already are looking at Zinni with renewed vigor
Maybe his service was not as honorably as the author would hope.
Gen Zinni is one of the finest general officers I have known or served under.
I would follow him in combat any day
I would also trust him to make the operational decisions in any war.
Strategic decisions are the relam of the NSC and ultimately, the president.
Had Zinni been CINCCENT he would have probably advised against the campaign (Al-La Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor) and then taken his orders and prosecuted it brilliantly
As it was we were micromanaged by OSD to the point of distraction
We've come as far as we have IN SPITE of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and all the OSD crowd. Not because of them.
I disagree with Zinni on his position about the strategic timing of the war
But I know his position is well considered and thoughtful. He's 40/60 against, I'm 60/40 for
Having reached Baghdad right behind the 3ID and spent a good deal of time in liberated Iraq, I can say that we did a good thing and most Iraqis appreciate it.
But we made a lot of mistakes in both the prosecution of the war and especially in the postwar stand up of OCPA and the reliance on contractors
All of which was OSD (Rumsfeld - Wolfowitz) driven.
If the military had been left in charge we'd be a lot farther along now
Worst micromanagement from OSD since McNamara
I was so happy when Bush got elected. Finally, I'd thought we'll get some adults in the pentagon instead of these dillitante amateurs
Instead I find all we did was trade cowardly dillitante amateurs for bellicose dillitante amateurs
I'll vote for Bush again, we've absolutely no choice, but I'll feel a whole lot better if he ditches his OSD crew
The people on this thread who say insulting things about Gen Zinni malign a good man.
All the best
We're in agreement here.Where I find Zinni deficient is the timing and the public bleating. Frankly,THAT choice leads me to conclude he is suffering from advanced Croweitis. Now,I'm glad to hear your confidence in the general.I agree, he'd do his job well enough. I disagree with Zinni on his position about the strategic timing of the war
This is the crux of my"trashing" of Zinni,and I'd say a good bit of those of us who served before, while and after he did.His timing and motivation are highly suspect. Thanks for the job you did.Were you around in the McNamera days? I was.
How can anyone complaining of their actions be accused of anti-semitism? Another question, after getting past the anti-semitism, does a "Jew" that does not believe zionism has been a success in establishing Israel and the resulting problems, is he anti-semitic? Phrases just get tossed around like trash in a dumpster with no thought given to the meaning. The neocons running under the banner of anti-semitism does not honor either side of the issues involved.
Having served under the man and gotten to know him I can honestly say he doesn't have a political bone in his body
I was amazed he took the Palestine job. Effort was doomed to failure before it began
A politically astute person would have known that
Serving at the pleasure of the President I guess he felt there wasn't much choice
A more politically savvy person would have begged out
No, I believe the man is just telling the truth as he sees it
To answer your question, during the MacNamara days all I could shoot was a BB gun
Studied it a lot though (Vietnam). Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz are actually worse for my money
The missed opportunities would make you weep
We're still winning though.
All the best
He is publicly trashing the President during time of war. That either makes him a Democrat like Clark or he is shilling for Arab client states who he favors in the ME. Otherwise he would shut up.
Exactly whose army do you serve in ?
What are you blaming Jews for this time ? What percent of the NY voting population do you think they are ? Are you calling for more towers to come down in NY to punish them ?
Without them Saddam Hussein would still rule Iraq and Zinni's favorite client states would be that much closer to WMDs.
In spite of Clark, Zinni, Scowcroft, and Clinton
He's trashing Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and as a participant in both OEF and OIF I can tell you they deserve it
It must be nice to be so certain about everything
Out of curiousity, how much time have you spent in the Middle East?