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Wisc. Bishop Tells Pro-Abort. Catholic Pols: Change Your Stripes or Stay Away from Holy Communion
Yahooooooooooooooooo via Newswire ^ | 1/8/04

Posted on 01/08/2004 1:07:41 PM PST by areafiftyone

To: National Desk

Contact: Erik Whittington of American Life League, 540-226-9004 or ewhittington@all.org

WASHINGTON, Jan. 8 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Calling it "a historic step forward in dealing with the problem of pro-abortion Catholic political figures," American Life League president Judie Brown expressed her gratitude to Bishop Raymond Burke of La Crosse, Wis., for "using the authority of his office to deal with a grave public scandal. By issuing a formal decree barring pro-abortion Catholic politicians from receiving Holy Communion, Bishop Burke is not only enforcing Church law but is courageously stepping forward in defense of innocent human beings." Bishop Burke will be installed later this month as the new archbishop of St. Louis. For the past year, American Life League has been pointing out that Catholic bishops have the authority under Canon Law to take the precise action Bishop Burke has taken. "We have diligently brought to the attention of America's bishops the pro-abortion public comments of Catholic elected officials in each of their dioceses, and the Church's remedy for this disparity," said Brown. "As Bishop Burke states in his notification, 'A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion or euthanasia, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin which is a cause of most serious scandal for others.' This is why American Life League has published, and will continue to publish, the names of public officials who claim the Catholic faith yet ignore the Church's clear teachings on the sanctity of human life."

The Vatican (news - web sites) reinforced those teachings a year ago when it issued a "Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life." "Since our effort began last year," said Brown, "American Life League has identified more than 500 state and federal officeholders who claim to be Catholic while making public pronouncements on abortion that are contrary to Church teachings. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops recently established a task force to take action on this serious problem. We will continue to encourage the task force - and all American bishops - to defend the truth and send a loud, clear message to all Catholic public officials: You cannot be pro-abortion and Catholic." ------

American Life League is the nation's largest pro-life educational organization with more than 375,000 supporting families.

http://www.usnewswire.com/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; catholicbishops; catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; prolife
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1 posted on 01/08/2004 1:07:42 PM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
WOW .. bold move
2 posted on 01/08/2004 1:08:55 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: BlueNgold
Its a great move!!
3 posted on 01/08/2004 1:10:10 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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4 posted on 01/08/2004 1:10:47 PM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: Desdemona
Your new Bishop in the news.
5 posted on 01/08/2004 1:12:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: areafiftyone
It's the right move, for the sake of those politicians own souls.
6 posted on 01/08/2004 1:13:28 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democratic Party: Without an electoral mandate for almost 28 years.)
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To: areafiftyone
I wonder if Teddy K still goes to church?
7 posted on 01/08/2004 1:14:57 PM PST by theDentist (Tagline deamed un-inhabitable. Condemned. New Location sought....)
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To: areafiftyone
ABOUT TIME!!!!! THe pro-aborts won't like this because they will have to remain seated during Holy Communion. This will thereby let members of the congregation know who they are. Thank you Bishop Raymond Burke for starting the ball rolling on this.
8 posted on 01/08/2004 1:15:56 PM PST by NCC-1701 (Warp Factor 8 to all FReepers!!!!!)
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To: xsmommy
The people of St Louis are lucky to be getting Bishop Burke.
9 posted on 01/08/2004 1:16:01 PM PST by NeoCaveman (se habla espanol)
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To: theDentist; xsmommy
I wonder if Teddy K still goes to church?

I think xs saw him at church once, and he did not burst into flames.

10 posted on 01/08/2004 1:17:17 PM PST by NeoCaveman (se habla espanol)
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To: theDentist
You read my mind.
11 posted on 01/08/2004 1:17:43 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: NCC-1701
Alot of people who didn't take communion would leave just before communion was up. But we all knew who they were because they were the only ones opening up the church doors to sneak out!
12 posted on 01/08/2004 1:18:56 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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Senator Susan Collins attends my church. She is a pro-choice catholic, and I cringe when I serve her communion. The church needs to take a stand on this.
13 posted on 01/08/2004 1:19:10 PM PST by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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To: NCC-1701
"ABOUT TIME!!!!! THe pro-aborts won't like this because they will have to remain seated during Holy Communion. This will thereby let members of the congregation know who they are. Thank you Bishop Raymond Burke for starting the ball rolling on this."

I don't think they'll go to a parish that refuses them Communion. I think they'll just up and move on to a liberal parish that is impressed with celebrity, and they'll get in the line just like they always did. Jerks.

14 posted on 01/08/2004 1:19:23 PM PST by redhead (Les Franšais sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: Skip Ripley
ZOT!
16 posted on 01/08/2004 1:20:48 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dubyaismypresident
>>I think xs saw him at church once, and he did not burst into flames.<<

He should have.


17 posted on 01/08/2004 1:20:56 PM PST by netmilsmom (RE: Bad relatives, "Her presence is like pee on a hot rock! " - Conspiracy Guy)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I know. This should be interesting. I wonder if he is going to tell Fr. Biondi, S.J., President of SLU, not to take the Eucharist. Politics is more his game than the priesthood.
18 posted on 01/08/2004 1:22:32 PM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Pyro7480
Dang. I missed it. What'd he do?
19 posted on 01/08/2004 1:24:33 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democratic Party: Without an electoral mandate for almost 28 years.)
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To: theDentist
"...I wonder if Teddy K still goes to church?..."

If he does, it's purely for photo-ops. What gets me is how he, and other divorced Catholic celebrities can get married in the Catholic Church. They must go through a quickie anullment. It makes a mockery out the institution if they get a pass as it seems.
20 posted on 01/08/2004 1:24:57 PM PST by NCC-1701 (Warp Factor 8 to all FReepers!!!!!)
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To: netmilsmom
If TK ever spontaneously combusts, remember not to use water on a grease fire!
21 posted on 01/08/2004 1:28:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Desdemona
I wonder if he is going to tell Fr. Biondi, S.J., President of SLU, not to take the Eucharist.

How much authority does the Bishop have over an order priest? Can he suspend faculties?

22 posted on 01/08/2004 1:30:39 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
How much authority does the Bishop have over an order priest? Can he suspend faculties?

I'm not sure. Biondi, though, seems to be made of teflon. Rigali tried to stop him from selling the SLU Hospital and was trumped from Rome.
23 posted on 01/08/2004 1:36:06 PM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: theDentist
I wonder if Teddy K still goes to church?

The only thing left for him to do in a Catholic church that is NOT insincere, is to be the guest of honor at his own requiem mass.

24 posted on 01/08/2004 1:53:09 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Rocket1968
She is a pro-choice catholic, and I cringe when I serve her communion

Refuse to do it. Have a copy of the applicable sections of canonm law and papal pronouncemnetrs handy if someone objects. Seems to me that the pope summarily excommunicated the whole raft of the abortion types. (I'm not Catholic and don't know for sure but it seems that someone who violates life can't be a Catholic anyway)

25 posted on 01/08/2004 1:54:58 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: areafiftyone
'A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion or euthanasia, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin which is a cause of most serious scandal for others.

Get tough with them. Never mind this luke warm approach. If know the teaching of the Church, and you hold views contrary to the teaching of the Church, you are by definition a heretic, You don't belong in the church. Throw them out. - Tom

26 posted on 01/08/2004 2:07:51 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: John O; *Abortion_list; *Pro_Life; *Catholic_list; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; cgk
it seems that someone who violates life can't be a Catholic anyway

Correct---but they can pretend.

27 posted on 01/08/2004 2:09:16 PM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: hunter112
He could repent, and make a good confession. However unlikely this may seem to us, we should pray for it. Think of lost sheep, and all that ...
28 posted on 01/08/2004 2:11:04 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: areafiftyone
Tommy Daschle used to be Catholic and still calls himself one if it might get him a vote. HJis divorce and re-marriage as well as his pro abortion stand pretty well defines what he thinks of the Church.
29 posted on 01/08/2004 2:11:12 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: ArrogantBustard
Don't mention sheep to Teddy, it might get him exited, and I'm not talking about lamb chops, either...
30 posted on 01/08/2004 2:18:59 PM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Don't mention sheep to Teddy, it might get him exited,

Anything the gets Teddy exited sounds like a good thing to me :)

31 posted on 01/08/2004 3:25:20 PM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: areafiftyone
Judie Brown, founder of American Life League is one of the most heroically courageous leaders in the Movement today.

Her work is helping make things like this happen.

32 posted on 01/08/2004 3:40:14 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

Also see related: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1054215/posts

33 posted on 01/08/2004 3:45:04 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Capt. Tom; Rocket1968
'A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion or euthanasia, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin which is a cause of most serious scandal for others.

Get tough with them. Never mind this luke warm approach. If know the teaching of the Church, and you hold views contrary to the teaching of the Church, you are by definition a heretic, You don't belong in the church. Throw them out. - Tom


Would this apply to those politicians who support the death penalty as well?
34 posted on 01/08/2004 3:46:05 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: BlueNgold
I love it!
35 posted on 01/08/2004 3:55:03 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: Stone Mountain
Would this apply to those politicians who support the death penalty as well?

There is no " ex cathedra" dogma of the Catholic church that the death penalty is wrong.

Liberal Catholic heirarchy like present group are entitled to their personal opinions on policy.

If the present Pope doesn't like the death penalty that's his opinion. Until it is made a dogma by an official pronouncement a Catholic can tell him to go take a hike.

But if this anti American Pope makes it official "ex cathedra" a matter of faith and morals taught to the whole church,then if you are still in favor of the death penalty you should be thrown out of the Church.

Not likely to happen since the Catholic church has gone along with the death penalty for centuries suported it and I believe at times had some heretics executed. -Tom

36 posted on 01/08/2004 4:07:49 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
I see - thanks. So "ex-cathedra" basically refers to Catholic law as written, as opposed to pronouncements from the pope? Is that the kind of thing that gets decided on by those Vatican councils?

If the present Pope doesn't like the death penalty that's his opinion. Until it is made a dogma by an official pronouncement a Catholic can tell him to go take a hike.

I'm not Catholic, so forgive the questions. Isn't there a doctrine of papal infallacy that wouldn't allow this?
37 posted on 01/08/2004 4:28:57 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
"infallacy " - Sorry, that should be infallibility...
38 posted on 01/08/2004 4:36:11 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
I'm not Catholic, so forgive the questions. Isn't there a doctrine of papal infallacy that wouldn't allow this?

The Pope is infallable in matters of faith and morals only when he speaks to the whole church, ex cathedra (out of the chair.)

If the Pope tells all Catholics not to vote for Bush because he is a war monger; that is not a matter of faith and morals and a Catholics may very well tell the Pope to butt out of America's business.

But the Churches official teaching on abortion is it is wrong in every case. So if a Catholic disagrees he is a heretic. - tom

39 posted on 01/08/2004 4:49:26 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: cpforlife.org
Did Bishop Burke announce this for Wisconsin or St. Louis?
40 posted on 01/08/2004 4:51:29 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Rocket1968
So as not to embarras her (like who really cares if she's embarrassed?) perhaps you could place a call to her legislative office and inform her that she will not be receiving communion next Sunday or any other Sunday.
41 posted on 01/08/2004 4:58:43 PM PST by ladylib
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To: dubyaismypresident; theDentist; ArrogantBustard; areafiftyone
i did see Fat Ted at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, while on a field trip with my then Kindergartener's class(3 yrs ago). I saw him exit right in front of me. as he was getting into the limo i remarked to those around me that it was positively miraculous that a lightening bolt didn't strike and ignite him on the spot.
42 posted on 01/08/2004 5:16:49 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
For Wisconsin specifically, but word is he'll be doing the same in St. Louis. Awesome.
43 posted on 01/08/2004 8:19:41 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Capt. Tom
Anti-American Pope???? This is a bit of a stretch. He allied himself very closely with Reagan on the matter of the Soviets and the Iron Curtain. The pope is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church and the monarch of the sovereign Vatican City.

When the pope was monarch of the larger Papal States until the 1850s, the popes regularly carried out the death penalty for the same sorts of civil crimes as most governments. John Paul II is simply not personally favorable to the death penalty. It is NOT a matter of dogma any more than is Vatican foreign policy.

By the standards you seem to apply, most churches would be "anti-American." I personally believe that the war in Iraq was just and moral. No Catholic is required to believe otherwise.

44 posted on 01/08/2004 10:32:44 PM PST by BlackElk (Tiny Tom Daschle has a negative date with destiny this November!)
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To: John O
Refuse to do it.


Eucharistic Ministers, such as myself, have no authority to refuse communion. Our instructions are that it a matter of conscience.
45 posted on 01/09/2004 2:49:28 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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To: ladylib
perhaps you could place a call to her legislative office and inform her that she will not be receiving communion next Sunday or any other Sunday.

I am a lay eucharistic minister. My instructions and training are NOT to question. It is a matter of conscience. The church hierarchy needs to address the issue.

46 posted on 01/09/2004 2:52:51 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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To: Rocket1968
Eucharistic Ministers, such as myself, have no authority to refuse communion. Our instructions are that it a matter of conscience.

so if a know satanist comes in wearing a "Praise Satan" T-shirt you'd have to sevre him communion?

(Typo in tribute to Brett Favre)

47 posted on 01/09/2004 4:49:37 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: cpforlife.org
This is long overdue. The double standard and political arse kissing by church hierarchy always disgusted me. Alert Nancy Pelosi, Patrick Kennedy,Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and the rest that this is final. Make a choice.
48 posted on 01/09/2004 5:10:31 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: John O
so if a know satanist comes in wearing a "Praise Satan" T-shirt you'd have to sevre him communion?

First of all that is extremely unlikely to happen, but the answer is yes, I am instructed to serve communion. I would have the obligation to speak with the Priest about my concern and let the "authority" of the church handle it.
49 posted on 01/09/2004 5:10:58 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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To: areafiftyone
This is awesome. God bless Bishop Burke.
50 posted on 01/09/2004 5:22:56 AM PST by St.Chuck
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