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The Economics of the Civil War
LewRockwell.com ^ | January 13, 2004 | Mark Thornton and Robert Ekelund

Posted on 01/13/2004 9:01:35 AM PST by Aurelius

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To: IrishCatholic
once more, i couldn't care LESS what anyone in 1861-65 or NOW thought/thinks, except YOU.

i'm at this point simply curious as to whether YOU are a DECENT & HONORABLE person or not.

your continued "ducking" of a relatively simple question relative to the commission of massive WAR CRIMES & YOUR beliefs is, i fear, telling.

free dixie,sw

1,121 posted on 03/14/2007 2:27:12 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: IrishCatholic; All
just out of curiosity, WHY on earth did you insist on starting an argument about one of my posts from THREE YEARS ago???

are you, by chance,yet another of those sad/pitiful souls on this forum, who "has no life", except trolling the threads "looking for a fight"??

free dixie,sw

1,122 posted on 03/14/2007 2:45:15 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Honest and Honorable? Did you have to look that up in a dictionary?
I explained in a manner that even a three year old could understand that you asked a "When did you stop beating your wife question." You know you did and that is why you stick with that. You have nothing else.
YOU cannot speak to the four million in slavery at the time. Do you notice that NOT ONCE have you mentioned that or replied about that. When I turned it around and asked you a "When did you stop beating your wife question" from the other side you NOT ONCE could respond to that either. So let's try it again.


"other words, you CANNOT address what i asked you directly without looking like either a DUNCE or a BIGOT???
is that what i'm seeing, since you keep avoiding what Jeff Davis said, rather than whether you think that massive numbers of WAR CRIMES against INNOCENT civilians & USA POWs slaves was OK or not???

the ONLY "game,set, match" in this discussion is that evidently you aren't willing to give YOUR opinion on the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ATROCITIES committed by the traitorus slave keeping Confederacy.

instead you "duck, dive & disappear" & HOPE that NOBODY notices your deceptions & evasions. PITY that you will NOT simply say," What was done by the Confederacy was a series of atrocities, which were visited on the racial minorities, the poorest of the poor, helpLESS prisoners of war & religious minority groups. furthermore, i'm saddened & shamed that those things happened".

imVho, that would be the HONEST & HONORABLE thing for you to do.

Long live the United States!

Hold the mirror up to your face pal.


1,123 posted on 03/14/2007 2:52:24 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; IrishCatholic; ELS
i find it "interesting" that THREE YEARS after this thread died, that at least ONE person decided to "take me to task" on one of my posts ON that thread.

evidently,some of the DYs just can't let "sleeping dogs lie", though they DO lie/deceive/duck & engage in SELF-deception.

also, i note that "Irish" can't seem to understand that REVISIONISTS are INVARIBLY leftist (some would say COMMUNIST) radicals, who engage in constant self-congratulation & the usual DY sanctimonious, SELF-righteousness.

may i also gently review the FACT, that MANY of the raped/robbed/tortured/murdered southerners were Roman Catholics, who suffered those ATROCITIES because of their religious faith???

free dixie,sw

1,124 posted on 03/14/2007 2:59:41 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
"once more, i couldn't care LESS what anyone in 1861-65 or NOW thought/thinks, except YOU."
But every single posting has been a complaint by you about revisionism. Now you can't handle the facts?



"i'm at this point simply curious as to whether YOU are a DECENT & HONORABLE person or not."

Of course I am and I am trying to pin down a hypocrite.

"your continued "ducking" of a relatively simple question relative to the commission of massive WAR CRIMES & YOUR beliefs is, i fear, telling."

Your right you are ducking the simple question of: 1.The speeches of the Confederate leaders that stated slavery and its continuation and protection were the cause of secession. 2. You cannot and will not address slavery, the condition of slaves, the treatment of slaves, and the crimes against them. 3. You cannot admit that the ONLY revisionism his on your part. 4. The only recourse that leaves you is the name calling and the immature "When did you stop beating your wife" questions.

So, quit ducking the relatively simple question relative to the commission of massive CRIMES AGAINST SLAVES & YOUR beliefs are, I fear, telling.
There fixed it for you.

Long live the United States!
1,125 posted on 03/14/2007 3:30:56 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: stand watie
"also, i note that "Irish" can't seem to understand that REVISIONISTS are INVARIBLY leftist (some would say COMMUNIST) radicals, who engage in constant self-congratulation & the usual DY sanctimonious, SELF-righteousness.

Well since I only brought forward speeches by the Confederate President and Vice President and you have brought forward nothing but attempts to REVISE history, then you are stating you are invariably a leftist (possibly communist) radical engaged in constant self congratulations and sanctimonious self righteousness. In fact, that sounds quite accurate when one reads over your posts.

"may i also gently review the FACT, that MANY of the raped/robbed/tortured/murdered southerners were Roman Catholics, who suffered those ATROCITIES because of their religious faith???"

Well, I would be happy to review the FACT when you can provide the source for me to go review. Since your credibility is shot, I think you should put up a source or two for me to review.
No source? No kidding. You just made it up. That would go along with your leftist Southern elitist liberal revisionism.
1,126 posted on 03/14/2007 3:39:53 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: stand watie

My observation has been that liberals hate the US (yes, I said hate - ask them if they can say "I love the US") - EXCEPT when it comes to "the Civil War". Then the US was the greatest thing ever.

Southerners tend to be the reverse - they think the US was the worst ever when it comes to "the Civil War", but they are very loyal US otherwise - the US never did any wrong!

I tend to sympathize more with the latter attitude.

And thus, I also have a suspicion of anyone who voraciously defends "the North", as being a liberal/commie. Because my experience has been the above.


1,127 posted on 03/16/2007 8:12:49 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: IrishCatholic
sadly for YOU, your response is OBVIOUS(to everybody who is reading this thread) is SILLY, ARROGANTLY ignorant & pointLESS.

furthermore, the treatment of the slaves by the aristocrats in BOTH north AND south,is NOT germane to this discussion between the two of us.as i have said repeatedly on these threads, slavery was a HIDDEOUS evil from start to finish. it was UNacceptable & SHOULD have been to any MORAL person, including Jeff Davis, "DIShonest abe lincoln" (who both HATED & FEARED "persons of colour", whether slave or free. fyi, he "spelled out" his HATRED in several letters to friends & compatriots, including to at least one Mass. congress-critter) and/OR anybody else.

the TRUTH is that you are BLINDED by your REVISIONIST, south-HATING, ignorant PREJUDICE & you have been LIED TO & MADE a FOOL OF by the LEFTIST, REVISIONIST, south-HATERS out of northeastern/left coast academia. (frankly, i can NOT think of a single CONSERVATIVE scholar, who would support the REVISIONIST BILGE that you keep harping on.)

you need not respond, as i expect NOTHING of VALUE from you, but rather just more arrogant NONSENSE & off-point bilge.

free dixie,sw

1,128 posted on 03/16/2007 11:27:58 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; IrishCatholic; All
i too love this country, though i understand it is far from perfect (the USA is just the BEST one.). fyi, i served the nation as an officer of the army for over 20 years, which should tell you something.

the VAST majority of the LEFTIST, south-HATERS have done NOTHING to support/defend the country, while HATING a whole region (the southland), with a passion unsurpassed by anything i can imagine.

in their twisted little world, "south BAD/north PERFECT" is their mantra. they even fail to admit the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ATROCITIES committed against innocent civilians & CSA prisoners of war,by the DAMNyankee invaders, OR they try to dismiss those DOCUMENTED horrors as either "revisionism" or "myth" OR they try to dismiss the ATROCITIES (as "irish" has tried) bty saying, "that was a long time ago & you should just forget it".

SADLY (for THEM), the documentation of those WAR CRIMES & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY exists, so they just LIE about it and/or try DESPERATELY to "change the subject" (as "irish" has repeatedly tried on this revived thread) to "slavery", "jim crow" or to something/ANYTHING ELSE except those documented ATROCITIES.

before the wounds that DIVIDE north & south ever heal (IF such a thing should ever happen),it will take (imVho)an OPEN & SINCERE ADMISSION by the DAMNyankees that what was done was WRONG,KNOWINGLY IMMORAL & CRIMINAL & that their attempts to cover-up those ATROCITIES were, in themselves, DISHONEST, INDECENT & IMMORAL. (as DAMNyankees are not known for either HUMILITY or HONESTY in dealing with their failings, i do NOT ever expect this to happen!)

in a previous post "irish" demanded PROOF of my comments about WAR CRIMES committed against Roman Catholics. if i went to the trouble to research & posted a DOZEN/HUNDRED/THOUSAND documented cases of such CRIMES, he would want one more than that OR (more likely) say, "that's NOT a good source". to DAMNyankee, REVISIONIST,HATERS, ONLY south-HATING sources "can be believed"!!!

ANY source that DISAGREES with their arrogant, ignorant,PREJUDICES is WRONG, no matter what the source may be. 'tis the "nature of the (DY) beast".

free dixie,sw

1,129 posted on 03/16/2007 11:55:06 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
Well, you are avoiding reality again. Time to bring you back to what you are terrified to address and have not and cannot.

"in their twisted little world, "south BAD/north PERFECT" is their mantra. they even fail to admit the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ATROCITIES committed against innocent civilians & CSA prisoners of war,by the DAMNyankee invaders, OR they try to dismiss those DOCUMENTED horrors as either "revisionism" or "myth" OR they try to dismiss the ATROCITIES (as "irish" has tried) bty saying, "that was a long time ago & you should just forget it"."

A simple reading over of my posts to you can show you are trying to lie. The thread is about the cause of the civil war and it is your revisionism I have pinned down. I have not tried to dismiss anything. I have stated that you have attempted do duck away from the issue of the cause by the "atrocity" game. The "When did you stop beating your wife questions."
It is you that demanded that the events 140 years ago were the same as 140 minutes ago. So I spanked you with that logic by talking about slave reparations.

"SADLY (for THEM), the documentation of those WAR CRIMES & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY exists, so they just LIE about it and/or try DESPERATELY to "change the subject" (as "irish" has repeatedly tried on this revived thread) to "slavery", "jim crow" or to something/ANYTHING ELSE except those documented ATROCITIES."

Sorry, the thread was about the cause of the civil war. It is YOU that tried to change the topic while still avoiding the CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY that were the enslavement of over four million people. It is you that lie. That was the topic.

"in a previous post "irish" demanded PROOF of my comments about WAR CRIMES committed against Roman Catholics. if i went to the trouble to research & posted a DOZEN/HUNDRED/THOUSAND documented cases of such CRIMES, he would want one more than that OR (more likely) say, "that's NOT a good source". to DAMNyankee, REVISIONIST,HATERS, ONLY south-HATING sources "can be believed"!!!"

Typical evasion by a keyboard warrior that makes things up. I didn't do anything but ask for a source on crimes against Catholics because you have no credibility. You can site any source. I would look at it.


"ANY source that DISAGREES with their arrogant, ignorant,PREJUDICES is WRONG, no matter what the source may be. 'tis the "nature of the (DY) beast"."

You don't have a source. That is what I asked for. You are the one that is arrogant, ignorant, prejudiced and wrong. Do I have to post the speeches by Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephans again? Address the issue or concede for you have brought nothing to the table again. You have not ONCE addressed slavery. That glaring omission on every single thread exposes you for who you are and the slave regime you memorialize and, from your free dixie drivel, institute again.

Long Live the United States of America!
1,130 posted on 03/16/2007 12:22:28 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic; All
laughing AT you, DUNCE!

be careful, or you'll join the "idiot fringe" of the "DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, nitwits, REVISIONISTS, bigots & DUNCES", as "Mr SPIN" & ftd" ARE. those TWO idiots are just JOKES to the normal FReepers, who read their BILGE, REVISIONIST LIES & SILLINESS.

anyone on FR, who knows me at all, is laughing AT you! (SORRY, but your REVISIONIST, DAMNyankee, IGNORANT, PREJUDICE is showing.)

free dixie,sw

1,131 posted on 03/16/2007 12:34:44 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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