Conservatives grumbling at Bush

Reuters ^ | 01/21/04

[sinkspur]

In about a decade (maybe less) you are going to be crying in your Tampico. "We never saw it coming"...

You another Bircher?

Look under your bed at night before turning out the light?

You sound like my departed mother, who predicted another depression would happen her entire life!

She was HOPING it would happen. Just like you jokers, if you can't have your dope-smoking nirvana, you'll cheer that our entire civilization be brought down.

That kind of anarchical thinking is just begging for a bloody nose.

[Wolfstar]

Or fanaticism. Or dishonesty. I'm sure there are truly sincere people who have a very honest, strong disagreement with the President on one or another issue. But, as has been pointed out on several threads, some unknown percentage of the naysayers are either Dem disruptors or fringe-right populists who always tend to vote Libertarian, Constitution Party, or for fringe candidates like Buchanan and Keyes. Or they stay home each election, then carp constantly in between elections.

Reasonable, fair-minded people will at least acknowledge the many positives of the President's record even if they are disappointed about the few negatives (from a conservative point of view).

[onyx]

"... the obvious truth that a vote for Bush is a vote for a Democrat,..."

LOL. Okay, enlighten me.

[WOSG]

I don't understand how the 90's are relevant to either Bush's or RR's domestic discretionary spending as a % of GDP in the same years of their terms,"

Because the conservative GOP Congresses of the 90s are what caused overall spending as a %age of GDP to decline.

Bush inherited a smaller Govt relative to GDP than any previous President since JFK.

[riri]

if you can't have your dope-smoking nirvana

LOL! Oh gawd you guys are killing me.

I am sorry, I have seen the light. As Arne pointed out to me last night GWB is working his magic by babystepping the country back to the right. It is really quite brilliant. 25 million citizens from 3rd world countries who don't speak English and will never be required to and who don't even understand our political system and will never be taught it and who identify themselves as something other than American--it's a stroke oof genius.

You guys are right, Sinkspur---he is a freaking messiah!

[u-89]

Dear Sink,

All I get from you is a "Listen up, buster!" and a " Do you know how foolish you appear?" retort? Geez, I must be slipping. Why the other day I saw a post of yours where you told a guy you'd punch him in the nose. I'll try harder next time to rate a higher degree of rebuke from you.

Your characterization is a damned joke, given your Birchite "globalist/corporate" swallow-the-conspiracies language.

What conspriarcy? It's a pretty open plan. The late Robert Bartley of the Wall Street Journal said a good 10 years ago that the nation state was a thing of the past. Strobe Talbot and Clinton aren't the only ones with that view you know. I've read, for example, railroad journals where they are planning for hemispheric transportation mergers and removal of borders. Whether you care to recognize it or not doesn't change the facts. The leaders of both parties are one on the major issues like this.

cordially,

[reedmelnick]

I can see why Ci*** worries about who knows you. You should go and eat dinner now. I can smell the garlic from here in Norfolk, Va.

[riri]

It's a pretty open plan

They won't see it. I am afraid they won't see it even when the shanty towns start popping up and rumors of people eating out of the town dump ala Argentina start.

They'll be sitting in their cardboard boxes still talking about how it's all part of the grand strategy.

[sinkspur]

I've read, for example, railroad journals where they are planning for hemispheric transportation mergers and removal of borders.

Well, I guess that settles it.

If trains are going across borders, then the New World Order can't be far behind.

That one's a knee-slapper!

[sinkspur]

She ain't home yet. She's been working until 8 every night this week.

Greetings in Norfolk. Cold up there?

[u-89]

There are none so deaf as those that refuse to hear.

BTW, what do you make of that Vincente Fox quote? Is that just a joke as well?

[Leatherneck_MT]

and a vote for the republicans is a vote for the Democrat Social Agenda.

[sinkspur]

I don't listen to Vincente Fox. He's not running this country.

But, then, what do I know? I'm just a dumb flag-waving yahoo.

[reedmelnick]

Lovely. Only about 29 right now. Should be 22 in the am when I go to my office. Don't forget to tell C that on Feb 14th it is time to trim the roses back to 18" above the ground. Also, change the batteries in your smoke detectors.

[sinkspur]

We change the batteries when we set the clocks back in the fall.

[u-89]

Perhaps you don't listen to Fox but your boy in the White House sure does.

[riri]

He's not running this country

That is highly debateable at the present time.

He may not run the country, but I bet he gets a cush position in the Nueva Americas administration.

[reedmelnick]

Yes, but the fire man will tell you to do that TWICE a year.

Also, me and the BB change her batteries upon demand....

[u-89]

>it's all part of the grand strategy.

Of course, our Fuhrer has these secret weapons which will turn the tide. We will be victorious, you'll see. Oh wait, sorry about that. That was another country, a long time ago I was thinking of. We don't have bunker mentalities around here.

[TheAngryClam]

I call BS. Let's look:

Response to the 9/11 and anthrax attacks.

Vaguely. We have yet to see any actual response against other state sponsors of terrorism, such as Syria, Iran, and North Korea, and we're already hearing the crap about "diplomacy" in relation to those countries.

Policy on abortion.

Where's the ban? Where's the new test cases against Roe? I rest my case.

Attempts to reintroduce accountability into the public schools.

When? Surely you can't claim that the education bill that Ted Kennedy got Bush to support is "conservative."

Willingness to reintroduce religious expression into public dialog.

Um, wow. Really effective, that. One of the top policy victories of the last 100 years, huh?

Introduction of medical savings accounts and choices of Medicare plans in an effort to control costs.

Which are limited to certain lower income levels and relatively trivial sums of money. If Bush wanted to be really radical, he'd end the upper income limits on these savings accounts and on Roth IRAs. But he won't.

Backing for the introduction of some Social Security privatization.

Tell me when that actually gets passed, and I'll give him credit for that one.

Willingness to at least attempt to get government to stop discriminating against religious charities.

How about getting government entirely OUT of the charity business, and let taxpayers, if they so choose, give the money to them, rather than being forced to surrender it to the government, to distribute to the charities? Unless you think, as Bush does, that government knows better what to do with your money than you do.

Tax policy.

Horrendously compromised from his proposals, and set to expire a year after it comes into full effect.

Willingness to defend marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

Show me any actual effort, rather than words, that he's made, other than proposing to piss away $1.5 billion on marriage counselors, rather than getting a constitutional ban underway.

Defense of Israel by acknowleding her right to self-defense and refusing to interfere in her attempts to protect her citizens.

All while treating the Palestinian Authority as a legitimate "partner for peace." The left hand knows not what the right hand does.

Management of the military.

By screwing over reserve troops rather than increasing the number of active duty soldiers after the Clinton draw-downs.

Management of homeland/national security.

By adding much more government, including unionized workers. And we all know how well airport screeners do their jobs. How about a little terrorist profiling rather than strip-searching grandmothers?

Willingness to tell the UN to take a flying leap.

And then goes crawling back to them, like in Iraq. Like many things, Bush is just a poseur.

Refusal to give in to internationalists who want a veto over American foreign policy.

Because buying off other countries isn't the same as essentially giving in.

Withdrawal of Clinton's signature on the International Criminal Court treaty.

Which was meaningless anyway, like most of Bush's actions.

Withdrawal of the U.S. from the Kyoto accords.

Bzzt, wrong! The senate voted that down, not Bush.

In conclusion, all your Bush victories are, at best, all symbol and no substance, and at worst, actually left-wing victories.