Skip to comments.Soviet Army fought UFOs
Posted on 01/23/2004 3:00:06 PM PST by mhking
Soviet military encountered many UFOs, maybe for this reason in the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR.
UFO researchers often blame the military of hiding the cases of alien rockets and disseminating false information of UFO. Army officers are not interested in the disputes about alien civilizations, they are interested in knowing what impact UFO can impose to military equipment and personnel.
1947. Antiaircraft guns of Transcaucasian Military District fired on the flying cigar-shaped object which came from the side of the Turkish border. The object"s flying altitude was below 4,000 meters, and the guns were capable of reaching a target at the altitudes up to 12,000 meters, but that time the fire made no harm to the "cigar". Then the cigar increased its speed and flew away over the mountains.
This incident could cause much trouble, because earlier the border guards and military ships monitoring service missed this target. Then the military was unable to trace this flying object over the country"s territory. The Border District command ignored and ordered the monitors not to disclose the information that the object reached a speed up to 2000 kilometers per hour.
Similar case took place in 1984 in Turkestan Military District. Near the city of Astrakhan air-defense system marked the ball-shaped object flying at the altitude of 2000 meters along the Caspian seashore in the direction of the state border. The object did not respond to the inquiry made by the military on the radio. Two fighter-planes took off, but they were unable to bring the object down. After being under fire, the object descended up to 100 meters, and at this low altitude the planes were unable to continue firing. Despite being fired at, the object was having a regular speed. The ball passed over several military units, which allowed to make its photo. Near the city of Krasnoyarsk the military tried to bring the object down with the helicopter.
However, it quickly increased its altitude so that the helicopter could not reach it. After firing all its supply of shells, the helicopter landed, and the ball abruptly flew in the direction of the sea and disappeared from the radar screens.
In the same area the similar scenario case happened later. The object having the shape of cylinder demonstrated its invulnerability.>
Such a demonstration could be the purpose of its flight, because this UFO was having a speed of 100 kilometers per hour.
One can blame the military of inhuman actions on bringing down flying objects. But what can they do if the object was moving in the direction of the state border and they had the order to destroy such objects?
In 1985 near the town of Krasnovodsk the radar station under the command of Captain Valuev registered the disc-shaped object in size of 1,000 meters! The object was immovable, and some time later a small disc in size of 5 meters flew out of it and then landed on Krasnovodskaya spit. Patrol boats rushed to that area, but when they reached the distance of 100 meters from the object, it took off and flew one kilometer away. This happened five times. Then the object flew up at a huge speed, reached the bigger disc, which finally flew away spaceward.
In the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR. Among the laboratory"s tasks was researching anti-gravitation, but the research results were made secret. Its testing area was near the town of Kapustin Yar on purpose. In the end of June of 1971 the military could see over this area a black cigar-shaped flying object floating under the clouds at the altitude of 800 meters. The object was 25 meters long and had about 3 meters in diameter. It had neither stabilizers nor wings nor engines and was moving at the speed of 150 kilometers per hour producing no noise.
In 1978 ЦНДС Soviet Ministry of Defense accepted Network MO program. Special military unit in the town of Mytishi was in charge of collecting data, and newly established "space troops" were designated to fight possible threat from space.
In the beginning of August 1987 five soldiers of Leningrad Military District went to the North of Karelia region on a special mission. They were required to guard the object of unknown origin. It was found on the territory of another military unit near the town of Vyborg. The item was 14 meters long, 4 meters wide, 2.5 meters high. The object had neither doors no hatches, and all attempts to open its hull were unsuccessful. The military tried to break off some object parts, but were only able to take some rods from its stern. In the end of September the object disappeared from the hangar without leaving a trace.
Sorry, but I disagree. Russians have never taken Pravda seriously...
An old expression, "B Pradva ne pravde."
translation: In Truth, there is no truth.
Um...typologically speaking, yes, as in a vague allegory but probably one of the Jungian Christs rather than the real J.C. of Galilee. The friendly stranger motif appears again in StarWars and E.T.. The X-Files seemed to employ it also with that Jeremiah character. Healers from space. Of course, in StarWars Obi Wan Kenobi dies and then mystically reappears in a transfigured glorified form. The brown medieval Franciscan robe adds to the Christian mystical suggestions.
Interesting point, by the way. Christ figures in modern films, that is.
Hype, bad science, outright lying, misinterpretation of data - you name, these guys have done it.
MOST of it results from an inability to properly monitor, measure, conduct and understand the experiments and devices they construct.
HOW many years after the fact?
Yeah, sure, HE'S telling the truth and EVERYBODY else including the farmer who found the "tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks" are lying!
"NEVER let the truth get in the way of a good story" - or the proceeds from a book!
While VIOLATING innumerable laws of physics to do so eh?
You're crazy and this guy Greer is getting 'rich' passing off technical 'parlor tricks' as actual science!
If you can't today *name* the principle by which something works (remember, we have split the atom into its constituent parts!) THEN you either a) don't understand it or b) the 'principle' is bogus.
ALL of the current work on 'Zero point' or 'free' energy falls into these *two* categories.
Shoot, MOST of those folks couldn't explain how a simple series circuit works in the common household flashlight light alone explain the inner working of a transistor AM radio ... and THESE are the people doing 'energy' research work!!??
Gimme a break - they're fruitcakes!
To date, the success of these people has been ZERO.
The cases I have had the opportunity to review - the individuals misinterpret, misidentify, mis-characterize or don't understand their 'lab work' or their 'device'.
Whether it was misinterpreting the 'peak' versus average or RMS (Root Mean Square) value of a waveform as read on a voltmeter as opposed to integrating that waveform on a digital oscilloscope and taking into account such factors as 'phase angle' (or power factor) - or incorrectly performing mathematical calculations to calculate efficiency of their 'device' -
- they turn out to be either wrong or hiding details in order to convince investors in the 'possibility' of their device
Don Lancaster'sHere's a sample of some of the basic failings of these 'free energy' folks:
Pseudoscience is what the Houynnyhymms politely termed "That which is not so". Ludicrosities such as free energy, alien abductions, cold fusion, UFO's, or perpetual motion.
There are three levels of pseudoscience:
- Tain't likley, McGee.
- Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
- What are they on, and where do we get some of it?
Because so much of it is so mesmerizingly awful, much of pseudoscience makes for wondrously fascinating reading.
My goal here is to place a big pile of pseudoscience onto a large stage. Shine a bright light on it. And then get you to personally conclude: "Yup - that sure is a big pile all right."
The only tiny problem is that an awful lot of it keeps leaking out of the bottom of the pile.
The scientific method works. In which you propose a falsifiable theory, test that theory, then invite others to independently attack it. o Those laws of thermodynamics reverify themselves on countless occasions each and every day. These laws are (1) you can?t win; (2) you can?t break even, and (3) if you play the game, you are sure to lose. o Each field has its secret insider gotchas. These are certain to cause major grief to the casual inquirer. Accurately measuring rms power or doing low Dt calorimetry are two obvious examples. o Most labwork ends up dead wrong. Either by not measuring what you think it does. Or easily getting misinterpreted, leading to wrong conclusions. o An hour in the library is worth a month in the lab. Science and engineering progress by building upon the collective results of what has gone before. o Intelligent life elsewhere in the universe does seem extremely likely. But the odds that they are here or have recently visited is vanishingly small. o A single source for any theory or claim will always be highly suspect. Always seek major backup. o "Too good to be true" results always are. Should they occur, you must spend monumental time and effort in conclusively proving yourself wrong. o Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Such evidence is always an obligation upon those making the claims, not on those challenging. And most especially that? o Finding a source of " Unlimited free energy " would be the most unimaginably heinous crime possible against humanity. For it would inevitably turn the planet into a cinder. Hastening an isoentropic heat death. If you find a free energy source, you damn well better find a new free energy sink as well. Even then, the relative flux rates will still nail you. themselves to Alderon, traveling or communicating faster than light, performing miracles with magnets, expressing psychic powers, or extracting "zero point energy". I quite strongly believe that these pseudoscience subjects certainly do serve as useful adjuncts to porcine whole body cleanliness. But otherwise are total hogwash. The usual causes of pseudoscience fantasies include? o labwork so mesmerizingly awful that it is not even wrong. This one gets them nearly every time. o not having even the faintest clue as to what a true scientific experiment, correct measurement, decent documentation, and realistic interpretation is. o A failure to think cyclically or to look at whole systems. The "power stroke" from repelling magnets is obvious, but the extra energy it took to get the magnets there in the first place might not be. o A lack of appreciation for engineering economics. Economics that must take into account efficiencies, alternatives, infrastructure, and total costs. o Dragging along unreleated excess baggage. In the way of paranoia, odd religions, conspiracies, obtuse verbosity, suppression fears, or nonstandard terms. o Giving vastly more credibility to a Keelynet file or an anonymous newsgroup post than a mainstream textbook or a properly peer reviewed article in a respected scientific journal. o The failure to thoroughly research what has gone before and then to carefully build upon it. o Extreme hubris that fails to recognize the lifetime commitments that untold thousands of scientists and engineers have made. Like it or not, at least some of these people are rocket scientists. They are a lot smarter than you are. And, of course? o Sleeping through all those Physics 101 lectures. Or skipping the course entirely.
|Antiaircraft guns of Transcaucasian Military District fired on the flying cigar-shaped object... the object reached a speed up to 2000 kilometers per hour.
This reminds me of a city council meeting I once attended in Seal Beach, California. They were hearing the plea of a fellow who wanted to open a Fortune Telling establishment. One of the council members read from the local statute, which stated that it was a crime for any individual to materialize or de-materialize objects within the city limits; to levitate; or to cause objects to spontaneously burst into flames.
The would-be fortune teller assured the council that he intended to do none of those things. Then he added, "My advice is, if you ever come across anybody who can do any of that, don't mess with him."
In the same vein, shooting at something that can go 2000 km/h is pretty stupid.
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