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Hunker Down, America: Terror War Will Last for Decades
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | January 26, 2004 | John C. Bersia

Posted on 01/26/2004 11:05:33 AM PST by quidnunc

'I don't care if you call it World War III, World War IV or whatever. It's scary."

That was how one of my students described the current wave of terrorism, which began about a generation ago and really cranked up after the Cold War's end. President Bush repeatedly referred to the conflict in his recent State of the Union address, drawing special attention to the hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers deployed worldwide to counter the challenge.

Naysayers, who are predisposed toward disregarding what the president asserts on most any topic, believe that he exaggerates the danger. They see other motives in his keeping the nation fearful, on guard and distracted by global terrorism, such as a free hand for Bush to pursue his broader political agenda.

The critics have a point, but Americans should not allow such perceptions to keep them from viewing the terrorist threat with clear eyes. Simply put, the president has not overstated the zeal, reach, power and relentlessness of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Americans who doubt the prevalence and malevolent intentions of those groups do so at their own peril — and at the risk of psychological trauma, should ignorance leave them as unprepared for future terrorist attacks as they were on Sept. 11.

Instead, Americans had better steady themselves for the long haul in this struggle. The war against terrorism will continue through post-Bush presidencies, both Republican and Democrat, for decades to come.

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(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: wwiv

1 posted on 01/26/2004 11:05:33 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Eternal war for eternal peace...Isn't that in Orwell's "1984"?
2 posted on 01/26/2004 11:06:20 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
Yes, it is.

But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

3 posted on 01/26/2004 11:12:24 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: quidnunc
The war on terrorism, the forever war, has some distinct political advantages.
4 posted on 01/26/2004 11:15:05 AM PST by templar
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To: quidnunc
The war on terrorism will end with the next large scale attack or small homicide bombings on our shores.

The American psyche has always been, "live and let live", unless our own interests are threatened. The Islamists would be well advised to understand that aspect of our particular culture. The first time a homicide bomb goes off in one of our malls or restaurants or elsewhere, it will be the end of militant Islam. Mark these words carefully.

5 posted on 01/26/2004 11:15:11 AM PST by A Navy Vet (Can I get a no down guarantee on a 32 ft SeaRay, please?)
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To: Henrietta; swarthyguy; marron; Grampa Dave
Eternal war for eternal peace...Isn't that in Orwell's "1984"?

It's Wahhabism too. Permanent jihad, like permanent struggle, or permanent revolutuion. A parallel is to Mao's or Trotsky's permanent revolution...a machine defining "peace" as victory over the West, not cessation of violence. Wahhabism defines peace not as an absence of violence, but an absence of the "House of War", hence the reason for war.

But it's not advantageous to call the WOT the WOW.

6 posted on 01/26/2004 11:18:38 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Henrietta; swarthyguy; marron; Grampa Dave
BTW, Ibn Abdul Wahhab wasn't the first to advocate permanent jihad, but he's the figure most associated with it, and extended it to beyond infidels to "Modernizers" and Shiites.
7 posted on 01/26/2004 11:22:10 AM PST by Shermy
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To: quidnunc
We have been there & done that. Jap soldiers were being killed until the 1970s if i remember correctly. Last combat
engagement between US and Jap forces was (i think) in the mid 1950s somewhere near Burma. Will have to look up those facts again to be sure. Now you know the basis of my tagline.
8 posted on 01/26/2004 11:23:07 AM PST by urtax$@work (We have faced tenacity before.)
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To: Henrietta
Now just as soon as you have been jailed or liquidated for expressing dissenting opinion, we can continue with the parallels to 1984.
9 posted on 01/26/2004 11:25:28 AM PST by js1138
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To: Shermy; aristeides
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

Watch the Sept11 Hearings.
10 posted on 01/26/2004 11:27:56 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: A Navy Vet
We need to go after terrorism at the source. This means going after and destruction of the religious leader and others that preach and teach the destruction of the USA. We are not doing this yet, and I think your point is good that another significant terrorist event is all we need to be pushed to go to the source.

The giant has been aroused, but is not yet fully awake.

11 posted on 01/26/2004 11:28:22 AM PST by RAY
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To: quidnunc
"Naysayers, who are predisposed toward disregarding what the president asserts on most any topic, believe that he exaggerates the danger."

Then how do they explain 9/11?
12 posted on 01/26/2004 11:34:30 AM PST by Spok
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To: js1138
You've never heard of incrementalism?
13 posted on 01/26/2004 11:37:01 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: A Navy Vet
Not as long as there are lawyers and judges, to sue the gov for protecting us. This may however deteriorate into mob violence etc.
14 posted on 01/26/2004 11:38:11 AM PST by steve8714
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To: quidnunc
Very soon the military war on terror will be over. The terrorist organizations' military infrastructure will be destroyed and they will be sundered from their State supporters.

Terrorism will be a criminal matter.

15 posted on 01/26/2004 11:41:38 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: quidnunc
Corrigidor Update: In mid-1946 the US Army Graves Registration Unit identifying and sorting out the remnants of the "Rock Force Assault" battle re-taking the 2000 acre fortress island - received the surrender of about 20 Jap soldiers who had previously been hidden since the battle of Corrigidor of February 1945.
16 posted on 01/26/2004 11:42:53 AM PST by urtax$@work (We have faced tenacity before.)
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To: RAY
I disagree somewhat. Bush & Co. have been very successful in cutting off the financial resources of the enemy. But if you mean a frontal assault on the militant Islamists clergy, yes, it will take another Homeland assault to motivate the populace, and thereby our fedgov.

BTW, I understand Bush's statements regarding Islam. The leader of the free world can hardly comdemn 1/6th of the planet without inflaming Islam followers more, knowing their propensity to be easily aggitated. Discretion is a virtue.

17 posted on 01/26/2004 11:46:20 AM PST by A Navy Vet (Can I get a no down guarantee on a 32 ft SeaRay, please?)
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To: quidnunc
And the outcome is not assured as a vitory by any means

The more technologically advanced a society the more easily it is affected by individual acts against its ifrastructure
18 posted on 01/26/2004 12:04:49 PM PST by uncbob
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To: RAY
We are not doing this yet, and I think your point is good that another significant terrorist event is all we need to be pushed to go to the source.

And a great leader would be able to rally the Americans WITHOUT that happening but by pointing out its distinct possiblilty if the war is not conducted properly

And that is just what DID NOT occur in 93 with the first WTC. The bomb didn't work correctly or that would have been a bigger disaster than 9/11

A great leader would have been able to point that out and take action
BUT WE HAD BUBBA
19 posted on 01/26/2004 12:10:02 PM PST by uncbob
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To: js1138
"Now just as soon as you have been jailed or liquidated for expressing dissenting opinion, we can continue with the parallels to 1984."

Yeah, isn't that what that new campaign finance reform bill is all about? If you say anything that might promote a particular candidate 60 days before an election, we throw your butt in jail!

And let's not forget the "sneak and peek" provisions of the Patriot Act, and Total Information Awareness...Yes, parallels to 1984 aren't really accurate, are they? /sarcasm
20 posted on 01/26/2004 1:39:44 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
Now just as soon as you have been jailed or liquidated for expressing dissenting opinion, we can continue with the parallels to 1984.
21 posted on 01/26/2004 1:44:57 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
If somebody put in jail isn't even allowed to see a lawyer, how are we supposed to conduct any discussion with him?
22 posted on 01/26/2004 2:01:39 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Don't worry, he hasn't thought that far in advance...types like him rarely do!

I guess we should only worry about our personal freedoms when WE get put in jail, or as he says, "liquidated." Query: how can you fight for your rights after you are liquidated? Seems like it would be a bit difficult...

But hey, we're all free, right! Ignore the man behind the curtain! If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!
23 posted on 01/26/2004 2:11:13 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: quidnunc; All
-Time to kick the tires & light the fires, folks- terrorism gathers across the World...--
24 posted on 01/26/2004 2:12:30 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Henrietta
And check out his home page, he has a list of people that he thinks should be suspended for their anti-Christian speech. Or should they be "liquidated?"
25 posted on 01/26/2004 2:13:11 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: js1138
"Now just as soon as you have been jailed or liquidated for expressing dissenting opinion, we can continue with the parallels to 1984."

I'll continue with those parallels any time I want, thank you. Whatcha gonna do -- add me to the list of people on your FReeper page whom you want banned from FR for incorrect expression of opinion?
26 posted on 01/26/2004 2:14:44 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: mrsmith
The war is almost won. Slowly we are cleaning out the rats nets and sorting out the terrorists. It will be over when the Arab-Isreal thing gets sorted out (it will happen and in our lifetimes). War is just too messy to go on for a long time. Even the 100 years War was an on and off thing.


See you in time's square for the Victory Party when they bring in Osama.
27 posted on 01/26/2004 2:16:48 PM PST by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Henrietta
Terrorism and Tyranny: Trampling Freedom, Justice and Peace to Rid the World of Evil.
28 posted on 01/26/2004 2:32:13 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Hollywoodghost
Shouldn't that be in Victory Square?
29 posted on 01/26/2004 2:45:44 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Every time you post a link like that, the terrorists win! Now shut up and pay yer taxes like a good citizen. /sarcasm

Thanks for link!
30 posted on 01/26/2004 2:56:23 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: quidnunc
Yes it will go on for decades because we are so twisted as a society that we do not punish mass murder. We think it somehow more noble to succumb. We smashed the Nazis and the Japs by bombing whole cities. When villiages and neighborhoods spawning terrorism are wiped out maybe the Islamonazis will calm down. As it is now they are laughing at us because they know that for every leader of theirs we take, every bomb builder, they have a dozen just finishing up training and ready to take over.

This is just getting started folks. What we are doing so far will not even slow the tide.
31 posted on 01/26/2004 3:05:45 PM PST by mercy
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To: A Navy Vet
I wish you were right. Our controllers will not listen to our wrath. They will expend more judicial force against tax-paying citezens wishing to expel the Moslems amoungst us than against the terrorists within our own borders.

The World Powers do not want Islamofascism crushed. It is the equalizing force they depend on to limit US power.
32 posted on 01/26/2004 3:10:12 PM PST by mercy
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To: quidnunc
Not from the article, but for your perusal.

Professor Madden states:"...no doubt in time to come the whole sordid affair will be remembered as the Crusades are – Christian violence against poor innocent Muslims. The Crusades were an effort to stop a Muslim military campaign which had already defeated large populations of Christians in the Levant, but all anyone in the West remembers today is the Muslim lie that it was a campaign of vicious, unprovoked aggression by a lot of money-mad plunderers..."

There is probably no area of Western history subject to more misunderstanding, ignorance and direct distortion as the history of the Crusades. One heroic scholarly effort to sift the truth is being made by Thomas F. Madden, associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University. Professor Madden is the author of numerous works, including A Concise History of the Crusades, and co-author, with Donald Queller, of The Fourth Crusade: The Conquest of Constantinople. Professor Madden finds that “the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression – an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands."

Professor Madden’s research has established that Muslim armies were "extremely successful": "Palestine, Syria, and Egypt – once the most heavily Christian areas in the world – quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East".

"That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense".

We just can't call it a 21st Century Crusade can we-----wouldn't want to alarm anyone now. Tell a friend.

33 posted on 01/26/2004 3:52:34 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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To: templar
Unless the terror schools turning out the next generation of terrorists in several islamic countries are stopped by Islam authorties themselves, an unlikely prospect unless/until the West makes it too costly for them to maintain/tolerate them, this will be a 100 years' war, if not longer.
34 posted on 01/26/2004 3:55:47 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: A Navy Vet
Obviously 9/11 was not a sufficient wake-up call for some. But agree the next one may be. I am not sure any more. This is not the United States of December 7, 1941.
35 posted on 01/26/2004 3:57:47 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: mrsmith
The terrorist organizations' military infrastructure will be destroyed.

That's a military infrstructure? I call it a terrorist activist infrastructure. But no matter. So long as their respective states harbor them, their terrorist indoctrination schools, and their training camps, the infrastruture will be continually replenished.

36 posted on 01/26/2004 4:04:04 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: luvbach1
There will always be "terrorists": there will always be pirates, murderers and extortionists.
Without the State support terrorism is a criminal matter not a military one.
We will finish sundering that State support and terrorism will be handled criminally.

That's when the "war" is over.

37 posted on 01/26/2004 4:15:19 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: quidnunc
The link does not remotely work...
38 posted on 01/26/2004 5:30:53 PM PST by JasonC
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To: A Navy Vet
"The first time a homicide bomb goes off in one of our malls or restaurants or elsewhere, it will be the end of militant Islam"

Oh horsefeathers, it already happened, you think the WTC was patty-cake or something? The reaction they are going to get is the reaction they are getting. Some people understanding it is war, others sticking their heads in the sand. Unanimity does not happen on this earth.

39 posted on 01/26/2004 5:32:51 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
JasonC wrote: The link does not remotely work...

Both links work just fine.

40 posted on 01/26/2004 5:34:02 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
I got only as far as the Orlando Sentinel's frame. The actual article did not load inside that frame, it just remained blank below the top line of navigation bar stuff. Probably their server...
41 posted on 01/26/2004 7:18:10 PM PST by JasonC
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