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The Cannabis Catastrophe (Pot softens brains: Stoners don't care)
The Daily Mail [UK] ^ | January 26 2003 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 01/26/2004 2:36:49 PM PST by quidnunc

As David Blunkett contemplates the chaos and fury triggered by his decision to downgrade the law on cannabis, he could do worse than consider the case of Dominique Lansdowne.

Eleven years ago, when she was 18, the former care assistant from Swindon started smoking cannabis once a week. ‘After a couple of weeks, I found it was addictive’, she said. ‘As soon as you start you get the feeling you’re completely relaxed and calm, but then you crave it. I used it more and more until I was smoking it every day. Then I couldn’t work because I was too stoned all the time. I was so paranoid I couldn’t leave the house.

‘I haven’t worked for the past six years. I lost all my friends and nearly lost my family. I couldn’t afford to pay my mortgage, my house was repossessed, I had to live in a hostel. I was in hospital three times, and couldn’t cope at all in the community. I had no social skills left. My life was in tatters. I didn’t stop completely until two years ago.

‘I still take anti-psychotics, antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs, and will probably have to take medication for the rest of my life. I’m positive cannabis was the cause; I became paranoid as soon as I started smoking it. I’ve known hundreds of people who smoke it; all of them have some kind of paranoia or a problem, whether they recognise it or not.’

All of which makes it truly extraordinary that this Thursday, cannabis will be downgraded from a class B to a class C drug.

The Home Secretary’s move has delighted the drug legalisers — but astonished and horrified those like Dominique, who know the truth about its effects.

Tory leader Michael Howard has boldly declared that a future Conservative government will reverse the policy. Yet Mr Blunkett’s so called ‘reform’ has already caused many people mistakenly to believe cannabis is now legal or safe to use.

Despite ministers’ desperate insistence that it remains illegal and dangerous, putting cannabis in the same category as slimming pills, painkillers, tranquillisers and anabolic steroids sends the inescapable signal that it is not very dangerous after all.

Dominique Lansdowne knows what nonsense this is. Before she used cannabis, she had not even smoked tobacco; afterwards she also tried speed, LSD and ecstasy. ‘I would never have touched hard drugs if I hadn’t taken cannabis. Reclassification is really dreadful and sad because the government is saying cannabis isn’t that bad and so people are going to take it thinking it’s not going to do them any harm.’

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To: Monty22
You made your point just fine.

The lesson I learned is you anger very easy and you accuse anybody that disagrees with you of being a pothead.

And you also either deliberately lied about the tie between Islam and MJ, or you were just ignorant. In either case I am happy to correct you on this mistake. Disinformation makes for a horrible exit strategy.
101 posted on 01/26/2004 4:30:33 PM PST by eboyer
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To: eboyer
No, I proved that if islamics toked up they wouldn't be anymore peaceful.. And in fact, according to Webster the opposite happens.

I gladly leave the thread with my original point well cemented. Thanks.
102 posted on 01/26/2004 4:32:28 PM PST by Monty22
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To: quidnunc
Although this news comes from UK this sounds like your typical Canadian.

Laid back. Relaxed. Ready to just let it flow. But, on the other hand, totally paranoid about what the United States is doing behind his back, or might do, or might even think about doing.

Hey, Mexicans have a lot of that too! Go out in the villages and they are really laid back until somebody tries to jump there women then they get paranoid, and if you're lucky you get out of town before he starts thinking that Americans want his women.

MJ mus'be our secret weapon, eh?!

103 posted on 01/26/2004 4:33:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Monty22; Huck
What, that Muslims are not friendly? Was this your point?

Cannabis is tolerated in all of Islam (which it is not) and all Muslims smoke pot (which they do not) and since some terrorists who are hiding behind the facade of Islam commit attrocities that therefore they were high on pot and therefore pot does not induce peacefulness and friendliness?

Sheesh. It's a good thing that there are terrorists out there trying to destroy our nation, for whatever else would the pro- and anti-drug people ever do for arguments otherwise?

104 posted on 01/26/2004 4:34:38 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: georgebushrocks
Your language is out of control.
105 posted on 01/26/2004 4:35:02 PM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Hey, I think the entire argument sucked that pot would somehow make us safer against islam if they used it more.

That's why I trashed it.
106 posted on 01/26/2004 4:36:27 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Huck
Islamics using pot? Do you question the theory that "Hashish" and "Assasin" have a common origin in Arabic?

BTW, it's not a theory, and yes Islamics have used pot down through the centuries for various evil purposes, e.g. getting so toked up they'd kill their own mothers, maybe you, certainly your dog.

Wow, man, you study that Islamic history and they'll tell you all about what pot does to totally destroy a civilization. Sure it takes a bit of time but look at the Middle East today.

Do you want to leave that as your legacy for your grandchildren?

107 posted on 01/26/2004 4:36:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Monty22; missyme
Oh, that was missyme talking.
108 posted on 01/26/2004 4:40:23 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Monty22
here is your original point:

"uhhhh, islamics are very pro-pot and use it frequently."

I fail to see how a pre-crusade definition of assasin has proven anything.

You do anger easily though?
109 posted on 01/26/2004 4:40:28 PM PST by eboyer
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To: quidnunc
I contend that watching the Weather Channel too long will soften your brain.
110 posted on 01/26/2004 4:40:33 PM PST by P.O.E. (Then sigh not so, But let them go, And be you blithe and bonny - Shakespeare)
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To: Cultural Jihad
What's that suppose to mean???
111 posted on 01/26/2004 4:41:37 PM PST by missyme
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To: eboyer
I've lost too many friends and relatives to even pot use to not get angry on the subject now.
112 posted on 01/26/2004 4:42:12 PM PST by Monty22
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To: muawiyah
I will tell you this if the Cowboy would of left the Indian alone to smoke his Peace Pipe instead of throwing Al-Co-HOL there way which they call "Fire Water" they would be alot better off... All kidding aside Indians have a high rate of Alcoholism and craziness from it.
113 posted on 01/26/2004 4:44:31 PM PST by missyme
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To: Monty22
I've lost more family from a combination of alcohol and gun's then anything. Yet as a conservative I won't fight to ban them.

Islamic nations tend to rule based on ethics. Conservative nations don't. Or atleast didn't......

114 posted on 01/26/2004 4:45:34 PM PST by eboyer
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To: jimt
Reefer Madness alert. Up and coming - masturbation will make you go blind.
115 posted on 01/26/2004 4:45:36 PM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: missyme
missyme wrote: I think all Muslims should become "Pot Heads" listen to The Who and practice yoga. What a mellow world we would have...

LOL!

116 posted on 01/26/2004 4:47:47 PM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: eboyer
ethics? Like beating and killing their women? Like killing the converts that leave islam?

What are you talking about?

117 posted on 01/26/2004 4:47:55 PM PST by Monty22
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To: little jeremiah
What about those of us with black thumbs? I can kill cactus and aloe vera. Can't we work out a deal where (say) we can "buy" from someone else who's good at growing, perhaps not with cash or legal tender but by barter? I'm aces at all kinds of activities that don't involve keeping plants alive.
118 posted on 01/26/2004 4:48:37 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: muawiyah

I believe that allegation of its word origin is open to interpretation among scholars, or so I have seen in my quick glances on the subject. Islam condemns the use of any and all intoxicants, and apparently there have been many debates over the centuries about the properties of hashish and whether it should so be classified as an intoxicant or not. Hence various Islamic cultures reverted from tolerating or condemning its use as unIslamic from time to time.

119 posted on 01/26/2004 4:48:42 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Which islam rejects it, the one that says to kill any raped woman? Or the one that says to kill nonbelievers? Or the one that says to decapitate converts from islam?

Or the one that says you can have 4 wives, but old mo could have 12? Or the one that says slavery's ok for the non believers?

Which islam exactly? I was just saying that them being more pro drug won't help. They already use, and they already kill.
120 posted on 01/26/2004 4:51:15 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
I just did a quick search on "hashish assassin" and I see plenty of historical references that back your post from Webster's. I don't know why everyone is getting so angry at you, kill the messenger, I guess. lol
121 posted on 01/26/2004 4:53:34 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: little jeremiah
You can keep punishing, but you won't stop the crime. You can keep eradicating but you won'i stop production.

How many shall we kill? How many shall we imprison? What addictions shall we make illegal? Religion is an addiction, so is love. Shall we kill all addicts?

The problem is that even though your solution sounds effective, the do gooders will carry it to extremes.

Keep in mind that we are the only free country in world history to wage this kind war against our own citizens.

This type of authoritarianism has previously been the method employed by tyrants to get rid of non conformists.

If you really want to end drug abuse you must end freedom. Only then will we have a safe and sane world for the Borg!
122 posted on 01/26/2004 4:53:52 PM PST by LittleJoe
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To: missyme
Before the coming of the white and black people the American people were deeply into the use of over 200 intoxicating or hallucinogenic substances.

The only white people the Indians ever met who were half way decent about it were the Saami. They were into Amanita Muscaria, an hallucinogenic mushroom that grows in the Northlands of the Old World.

SEE: Santa Claus, Raindeer Man, Herb Woman, Saami ~

Most recently my research into the matter has revealed to me that the Nanticoke Indians suffer from many of the same genetically based ailments as do the Saami. I believe this starts with the founding of New Sweden in Delaware ~ place had 103 guys, 5 spoke Swedish, 98 spoke "FINN", also known at that time among the Swedes as one of the 9 Saami languages.

Oh, yes, those 98 Saami had iron implements, knowledge of higher orders of technology, how to engage in foreign trade with the large boats then ranging up and down Chesapeake Bay, etc. No doubt their attention was highly desirable in their day.

The present day chief settlement of the Nanticoke is Millsboro, DE. Each year they have a cultural festival celebrating the old times. Plan to attend.

123 posted on 01/26/2004 4:54:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: #3Fan
Seriously, anyone that dares offend the allmighty pot god gets skewered by the followers. It's like going to mecca and yelling 'allah sucks'.
124 posted on 01/26/2004 4:54:47 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Seriously, anyone that dares offend the allmighty pot god gets skewered by the followers. It's like going to mecca and yelling 'allah sucks'.

LOL And this author is right about the paranoia. There are different degrees of it I'm sure but I have always noticed that stoners are spooked easily by things like mud puddles. lol

125 posted on 01/26/2004 4:57:08 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Cultural Jihad
Mohammad, in the Koran, objects to drugs. Later on cooler heads prevailed and these injunctions were rejected except with regard to alcohol (most of the time unless convenience otherwise dictates).

Muammar Khadaffi is reputed to be a total heroin junky (for example), and you can buy a beer in Egypt quite openly. They make wine in Algeria. It's for sale in the local wine store in fact.

Stoners are a widespread phenomenon in virtually all Moslem nations. I am thinking, too, of the guys in Afghanistan who smoke opium laced MJ sticks!

126 posted on 01/26/2004 4:57:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Monty22
Well, now you're being ridiculous. Most of those things you can also find as commandments from God in the Old Testament. You just want to piggyback onto the bigotry against Islam to justify your angst over cannabis. Of course, you are free to rant about how damaging the drug can be, as indeed it can be, but you are not free to malign a billion peaceful and successful members of a valid religion in doing so.

When 911 happened it didn't take long for the pro-drug people to scream about how the WOD needs to end, as well as traffic tickets, since we are fighting a war against terrorists, and we can't fight against crime and terrorists at the same time, yada yada. Now we see others claiming that since there are terrorists out there that they must be jacked up on hashish and all users of hashish must therefore be killers, too.

As I said, it's all ridiculous.

127 posted on 01/26/2004 4:59:48 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
I wasn't saying that islam is bad because of pot.

I said it's bad anyway, and they also use pot.

Not using one to justify the other. Just that both are bad..
128 posted on 01/26/2004 5:00:41 PM PST by Monty22
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To: muawiyah
If you don't mind me asking are you Indian? I studied alot of the American Indian Culture it's fascinating and I enjoy attending there cultural events...
129 posted on 01/26/2004 5:00:54 PM PST by missyme
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To: tacticalogic
[ You walked in here on 3 legs, and two of 'em have "Dogma" written all over them. ]

LoooooL....

130 posted on 01/26/2004 5:00:55 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Monty22
First of all Have you smoked Marijuana? if you did then when? and what for? back up your statements....
131 posted on 01/26/2004 5:02:26 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
I never have.

132 posted on 01/26/2004 5:02:54 PM PST by Monty22
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To: quidnunc
Hey man, ya got any Cheetos and M&Ms?
133 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:07 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Monty22
Then how do you know the pros and cons?
134 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:10 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
We've dug up a few ancestors here and there ~ bunch of them were Infantry Scouts during the American Revolution. They had white and Indian ancestors themselves.
135 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Monty22
In reality, neither of them are bad in and of themselves.
136 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:21 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Huck; Devil_Anse
Hey, why don't y'all come over here? I have several bo- um, I mean water pipes.
137 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:39 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: missyme
I think all Muslims should become "Pot Heads" listen to The Who and practice yoga. What a mellow world we would have...

While I agree that keeping the islamofascists stoned out of their so-called minds is a good idea, the Who are anything BUT mellow! Maybe some lesbo folk music might work...

138 posted on 01/26/2004 5:05:39 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: missyme
Observation of users and other objective data.

I don't have to do crack either to study it.
139 posted on 01/26/2004 5:05:50 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Searched the web for islam + marijuana. Results 1 - 10 of about 73,500. Search took 0.37 seconds

Just for kicks, I Googled "george w. bush" and "moron." I got about 24,400 hits in a search that took 0.3 seconds.

That lots of people post it online don't make it so.
140 posted on 01/26/2004 5:06:27 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Xenalyte
Except, he responded he did a search and found next to nothing.

He either didn't try or was lying.
141 posted on 01/26/2004 5:06:56 PM PST by Monty22
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Ok How about Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5?
142 posted on 01/26/2004 5:07:17 PM PST by missyme
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To: Monty22
the English word assasin is from the Arabic Hashishin.These people would use Hashish before they killed so that they would no remorse afterwards.

Marijuana and hashish are not the same thing.
143 posted on 01/26/2004 5:07:25 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Oschisms; dubyaismypresident; Dan from Michigan
Too bad Dan's friend doesn't have a screen name, 'cause she might appreciate this. :D


144 posted on 01/26/2004 5:07:34 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: missyme
Ehhh....not what I'd call mellow...I still think you should stick with the lesbo folk music. You know, the Lilith Fair kind of stuff.
145 posted on 01/26/2004 5:08:21 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: Xenalyte
Thanks for the offer, but I'm in for the night. I just finished a little science project this weekend. Went to home depot, and with a little bit of plumbing supplies, and some household objects....

gurgle gurgle gurgle gurgle

:-)

146 posted on 01/26/2004 5:08:34 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Xenalyte
Here comes the drugged out delusional-thinks-she-looks-like-a-character expert on everything drug related.

An already bad thread's just gotten worse.
147 posted on 01/26/2004 5:08:41 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
So what is your observation about Jello Shooters and Tequilla shots? or you never did those either? seriously...
148 posted on 01/26/2004 5:08:50 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
I have drank, yes.

I've been with friends that drank. I've done it myself some. The potheads were always more annoying and stupid to me, and frankly ruined their lives a lot faster.
149 posted on 01/26/2004 5:09:43 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Chris Tucker
I got mind control over Deebo. When he say shut up - I be quiet. But when he leave, I be talking again.
150 posted on 01/26/2004 5:09:43 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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