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Republicans warn Bush on immigration policy
Washington Times ^ | 1/28/04 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 01/27/2004 10:30:57 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:12:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER - Twenty-three congressmen warned President Bush in a letter yesterday that he risks an election-year backlash from Republican voters if he continues to press his guest-worker proposal.

The Republican lawmakers said their congressional offices have received a flood of angry letters, e-mails and phone calls from Republican constituents vowing that they will refuse to vote for the president if his program is approved.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; backlash; gwb2004; illegals; immigrationplan; invasion; nannystate; virgilgoode; welfarestate
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To: Don Joe
Half a loaf is better than none

Actually having Kerry as Commander in Chief would be more like a half of loaf of sawdust. Crumbly and mushy going after the terrorists.

But that is what it seems you are advocating. Thanks for nothing.

151 posted on 01/28/2004 1:19:00 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Print them or are you being Clintonesque with those names and they are actually multiple personalities of yours.

Um, riiiiiight.

All those thousands of irate callers and letter writers that Congress is talking about? All those posters on all those forums? All those callers on all those talk-radio shows? All those HOSTS on all those talk-radio shows?

They're me.

Every cotton-pickin' one of 'em!

They're ALL me, bwahahahahahahah!

Don't you just HATE it when someone confirms your paranoid delusions?

152 posted on 01/28/2004 1:19:42 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Texasforever
Yep, the voting public is saying the bill isn't generous enough
They should have left medicare alone, it was fine the way it was.

All that needed to be done, was lower the prices of medications for the ones that needed it, make the drug companies sell to the poor, at the same price they sell to Mexico and Canada.
153 posted on 01/28/2004 1:20:01 AM PST by calawah98
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To: Dane
Careful, you are dealing with a political genius here.
154 posted on 01/28/2004 1:21:13 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dane
Yeah your message of Vote for Kerry is out of place on FR, IMO.

Putting words in my mouth is what's out of place. I suggest you stop it. If you must flog that strawman, at least have the decency to do it in private. Children may be watching!

155 posted on 01/28/2004 1:22:00 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: calawah98
make the drug companies sell to the poor, at the same price they sell to Mexico and Canada.

Yeah that is real conservative. Lord.

156 posted on 01/28/2004 1:22:31 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dane
And it appears your principals are for destroying our borders, and turning the United States into a third world country.

I read where Miami says they are the city that wants to become the new capital of the Americas.
157 posted on 01/28/2004 1:23:31 AM PST by calawah98
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To: Dane
Actually having Kerry as Commander in Chief would be more like a half of loaf of sawdust. Crumbly and mushy going after the terrorists.

But that is what it seems you are advocating.

Actually, it's Rove that seems to be advocating it.

Thanks for nothing.

Don't thank me, thank Karl.

158 posted on 01/28/2004 1:23:52 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
All those thousands of irate callers and letter writers that Congress is talking about? All those posters on all those forums? All those callers on all those talk-radio shows? All those HOSTS on all those talk-radio shows?

Huh? What thousands? Buchanan had 380,000(0.38% of the vote) votes in 2000. So I guess that's what you mean by those thousands.

159 posted on 01/28/2004 1:25:11 AM PST by Dane
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To: Texasforever
So be it. Bush will not back down though.

Too bad. Stubbornly sticking with a bad decision, just to spite those who elected him is not what this country needs in its president.

160 posted on 01/28/2004 1:26:21 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
Actually, it's Rove that seems to be advocating it

You should really get over your "Karl Rove is the devil incarnate" syndrome. You sound like a lefty demo.

161 posted on 01/28/2004 1:26:55 AM PST by Dane
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To: Don Joe
Too bad. Stubbornly sticking with a bad decision, just to spite those who elected him is not what this country needs in its president.

Then fire him. Or try to.

162 posted on 01/28/2004 1:27:56 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: calawah98
And it appears your principals are for destroying our borders, and turning the United States into a third world country

Really, then why is standard of living never been higher.

Do you enjoy living in such a state of constant fear.

163 posted on 01/28/2004 1:28:31 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
They see a Rove behind every Bush and a Mexican under every bed. They are TERRIFIED.
164 posted on 01/28/2004 1:29:37 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever; Don Joe
Then fire him. Or try to

And let's see who Don's alternative is. Right now it seems to be Kerry.

165 posted on 01/28/2004 1:30:02 AM PST by Dane
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To: calawah98
You have so soon forgotten, if that 20% had not voted for him before, he would still be in Crawford Texas, and Gore would have been president

He may have soon forgotten it, but I've got a feeling he'll soon be remembering it.

This is evidently the year of "piss on us now, cry in your beer later."

I wonder what Rove will do for an encore after he implodes this campaign? The talkshow circuit with his moral twin, Carvile, perhaps?

166 posted on 01/28/2004 1:31:14 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Dane
You should really get over your "Karl Rove is the devil incarnate" syndrome. You sound like a lefty demo.

You really should get over your shoving-words-into-my-mouth syndrome. You sound like a raving nutter.

167 posted on 01/28/2004 1:32:21 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Texasforever
They see a Rove behind every Bush and a Mexican under every bed. They are TERRIFIED

Yep it seems they hate Rove more than Kerry. They show where their loyalties lie and that is with the demos.

168 posted on 01/28/2004 1:32:57 AM PST by Dane
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To: Texasforever
Then fire him. Or try to.

Now how on earth could I do that?

Don't be silly.

I've simply decided that I'm not going to waste my vote this year.

I'm gonna keep it.

169 posted on 01/28/2004 1:33:48 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
You really should get over your shoving-words-into-my-mouth syndrome. You sound like a raving nutter

LOL! The "Rove is the devil incarnate" rhetoric is spewing out of your mouth with no coercion at all.

170 posted on 01/28/2004 1:34:37 AM PST by Dane
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To: Texasforever
How do we "fix" healthcare?

I appreciate your asking me that. I actually worked for a health care insurance company for a while, and frankly, I am appalled at the current system...I think the Dems tried to purposely ruin it with the HMO thing.

Remember the "MSA"? It was a great idea, but was limited to the self-employed...at least for the last several years. I was relatively young when it was first proposed, and I am sure it was discussed at the time...but what if employers could participate?

They are already paying, say $750 per month for a family policy for their employees (the employees pay varying amounts of this). Maybe they could offer a "catastrophic" policy with a $10,000 of $15,000 deductible for $250, per month, and then be enticed, through tax breaks, to put the other monthly monies into a tax-free medical account for the employee's family to use for day-to-day expenses. Once the employee's "account" reached the deductible amount, the employer's monthly contribution could be reduced drastically...say to $100/month (of which the employee would pay their "percentage").

The tax-free account could be allowed to grow (to discourage frivolous use), and could be taken with the employee from job to job; and might eventually be available as taxable income for retirement.

The employer would ultimately save money to the tune of several hundred dollars per month, per employee...and people would have an incentive not to run to the doctor for every ailment.

It would also get rid of the iron hand of the insurance companies' dictates, by allowing people to choose where to spend their medical dollars. It would encourage them to shop for the best care at the best price.

There might have to be some type of stop-gap coverage for the deductible until the account was built to that point...but that would be up to the employee to pay..or not. And, HMO's (and that type of full coverage) would have to be done away with entirely.

I'm tired, and this is a rambling reply, I know...just some of my thoughts. This would help to alleviate the concerns of some of the small business people, and those folks who are paying entirely too much for insurance. This issue first became of interest to me when I was an exec at a manufacturing company. We had 250 employees, and the insurance bill that came in January of 2001 (for the entire year) was 1.2 million...DOLLARS. This is killing our businesses. As far as the uninsured; we already have programs in place for most of them...but we should go back to refusing some services.

171 posted on 01/28/2004 1:35:59 AM PST by garandgal (Capitalism works wonderfully amongst a moral people)
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To: Dane
Here is what will happen. Bush wins with 51 to 55% popular and 320+ electoral vote without the "base". The next day the "base" will be claiming it "held its nose" and voted for him but he had better shape up or it will teach the GOP a "lesson" in 2008.
172 posted on 01/28/2004 1:36:02 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dane
There you go again!

Here's a thought: try swapping out half the caffeine for prozac, and see if that helps. If not, I'd suggest therapy.

173 posted on 01/28/2004 1:36:51 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
I've simply decided that I'm not going to waste my vote this year.

I'm gonna keep it.

And keep it for the time when you find the candidate who will give you marshmallow pies and marmalade skies, I surmise.

Do me a favor, when you reach your destination called "perfect political world" send me a postcard. I beleive that it will be a very long time before the mailman delivers it.

174 posted on 01/28/2004 1:38:16 AM PST by Dane
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To: rmlew; Clemenza; PARodrig; nutmeg; firebrand
ping
175 posted on 01/28/2004 1:38:53 AM PST by Cacique
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To: Don Joe
I've simply decided that I'm not going to waste my vote this year.

Good for you. Now, how many more times are you going to declare your intentions?

176 posted on 01/28/2004 1:39:08 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Don Joe
Here's a thought: try swapping out half the caffeine for prozac, and see if that helps. If not, I'd suggest therapy.

Uh Don, I am not the one posting the replies basically stating that "Rove is the devil incarnate", you are.

177 posted on 01/28/2004 1:39:56 AM PST by Dane
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To: Don Joe
James Carvil
That would be the last straw, if ever some one looked like they just stepped out of a coffin, that is the man. lol

I am out of here for now, just have to wait an see what happens I guess.
178 posted on 01/28/2004 1:42:02 AM PST by calawah98
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To: Texasforever
Here is what will happen. Bush wins with 51 to 55% popular and 320+ electoral vote without the "base". The next day the "base" will be claiming it "held its nose" and voted for him but he had better shape up or it will teach the GOP a "lesson" in 2008.

Exactly, most of these "self-proclaimed blue blood conservative" Buchananites/Constitution party people were here in 2000 spewing the same stuff.

179 posted on 01/28/2004 1:42:59 AM PST by Dane
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To: gatorbait
Anyway,looks like the legislators are getting off their hams and facing the problem.. So we'll see.. :-)

Yeah, we'll see. But what will we see?

Remember, Rove hasn't begun the arm-twisting yet, like he did with CFR. The things that happened to get that travesty passed are just now starting to surface.

Realistically, I think we need to face up to the likelihood that this thing was a done deal before they laid word one of it on us, and NWIH are they gonna have it NOT go through.

180 posted on 01/28/2004 1:43:58 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: garandgal
Great reply #171 garandgal.

You can bet that a Kerry would never propose something as outlined in your reply #171.

181 posted on 01/28/2004 1:45:28 AM PST by Dane
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To: LaurieB
I do declare that if JFK were running today - he would be mistaken for a republican!

If Hubert Humphrey -- the Liberal's Liberal -- was running today, the GOP would reject him for being "TOO conservative -- TOO radical-right-wing."

Seriously.

Look up some of the stuff he said about the Second Amendment.

182 posted on 01/28/2004 1:47:02 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Dane
I KNOW that...I'm just waiting for someone else to...anyone???
183 posted on 01/28/2004 1:47:14 AM PST by garandgal (Capitalism works wonderfully amongst a moral people)
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To: garandgal
I'm sorry. I read what you wrote and cannot find anything to argue with. You have proposed a conservative solution to a big problem.
184 posted on 01/28/2004 1:49:05 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: LaurieB
Staying away from the polls is no answer either.

Wrong.

As long as they can be confident in "owning" our votes regardless of how much they betray our principles, nothing will change -- except for the worse.

They have GOT to learn that they do not "own" our votes. They have GOT to learn that they must earn our votes.

It is really that simple.

185 posted on 01/28/2004 1:49:32 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
They have GOT to learn that they do not "own" our votes. They have GOT to learn that they must earn our votes.

I heard you stomp your foot all the way down to Houston.

186 posted on 01/28/2004 1:51:21 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Hoverbug
You noticed that too?

I gotta remember to put on the hipwaders and grab the shovel when I slog through certain quarters here lately.

Sad...
187 posted on 01/28/2004 1:51:33 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: garandgal
I KNOW that...I'm just waiting for someone else to...anyone???

Bush has proposed Medical savings accounts but the problem is the Senate. With a 51-49 majority it's tough to get through and would not see the light of day with a demo President as some of these "blue blood" conservatives on this thread are drooling over.

188 posted on 01/28/2004 1:52:12 AM PST by Dane
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To: 11B3
The president is in danger because he is blurring the line between the parties too well.

It used to be a joke, but I think we've actually come to the place where, "no matter who you vote for, the politicians always win."

So, I'm saving my vote.

Maybe if enough people save their votes, we'll get some genuine statesmen deciding to run for office.

189 posted on 01/28/2004 1:53:25 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
Who?
190 posted on 01/28/2004 1:54:30 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: 11B3
Rove is politically out of touch and should not be the one giving the president advice any longer

What is chilling is the fear that Rove isn't so much "giving the president advice", but rather directing the president.

I honestly believe, based on what I've observed in the various media, that Bush won't move an inch in any direction without an OK from Rove.

If I knew I was voting for "President Rove", I would have saved my vote four years ago. And no way am I going to give him my next vote.

191 posted on 01/28/2004 1:56:06 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
If Hubert Humphrey -- the Liberal's Liberal -- was running today, the GOP would reject him for being "TOO conservative -- TOO radical-right-wing."

Yeah right, Humphrey would really propose to privatize Social Security or propose Medical savings accounts.

Uh, Don, todays demo party is not Humphrey's demo party. They have been taken over by the leftists such as Kerry.

How about living in 2004 and not 1960.

192 posted on 01/28/2004 1:56:16 AM PST by Dane
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It's time to lighten up!

Time for a little humor!

What do you get when you combine the President's chief advisor, and the leader of Russia?

You get "Roveputin"!

Any decent Photoshoppers out there who can doctor up a picture of the new "Mad Monk"?

193 posted on 01/28/2004 1:58:47 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
If I knew I was voting for "President Rove", I would have saved my vote four years ago. And no way am I going to give him my next vote

A question, do you sleep with your stuffed donkey to ward off the Rove vibrations that you seem to think are everywhere?

194 posted on 01/28/2004 1:58:57 AM PST by Dane
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To: Don Joe
Rove scares th bejebus out of you doesn't he. LMAO
195 posted on 01/28/2004 1:59:01 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dane
What in the world do you call someone afraid of nerds? Hell I'll bet 98 pound weaklings kick sand in his face.
196 posted on 01/28/2004 2:01:21 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Good for you. Now, how many more times are you going to declare your intentions?

Oh, probably at least as many times as you insult them.

If you don't like what I say, and if you think I'm really of no account, and the non-voters won't make a whit of difference, why don't you find something better to do with your time than sit here and taunt like a schoolyard misfit?

Do you have a job? (Or is this your job? "Steering" the discussions?)

197 posted on 01/28/2004 2:01:46 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Dane
There you go again, attributing words to me that I never said, even going so far as to put them in quotation marks.

You are evidently delusional. For real.
198 posted on 01/28/2004 2:02:49 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
If you don't like what I say, and if you think I'm really of no accoun

Karl says BOOO!

199 posted on 01/28/2004 2:04:15 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I heard you stomp your foot all the way down to Houston.

Well isn't that special.

200 posted on 01/28/2004 2:04:22 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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