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Republicans warn Bush on immigration policy
Washington Times ^ | 1/28/04 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 01/27/2004 10:30:57 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:12:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER - Twenty-three congressmen warned President Bush in a letter yesterday that he risks an election-year backlash from Republican voters if he continues to press his guest-worker proposal.

The Republican lawmakers said their congressional offices have received a flood of angry letters, e-mails and phone calls from Republican constituents vowing that they will refuse to vote for the president if his program is approved.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; backlash; gwb2004; illegals; immigrationplan; invasion; nannystate; virgilgoode; welfarestate
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To: Don Joe
You are evidently delusional. For real.

Whatever, say nighty night and don't let the Karl Rove bed bugs bite.

201 posted on 01/28/2004 2:05:08 AM PST by Dane
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To: Don Joe
Well isn't that special.

Watch out or Boogy man Karl will get ya.

202 posted on 01/28/2004 2:05:31 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Dane
Uh, Don, todays demo party is not Humphrey's demo party. They have been taken over by the leftists such as Kerry.

Wow, not only did my point go right over your head, but then you had to jump up and yell "Bullseye!"

You're right, of course. Today's demo party isn't Humphrey's demo party. The bigger problem is that today's GOP party ain't even Humphrey's demo party. It has moved that far to the left.

That was the point I was trying to convey, and I thank you for underscoring it.

The spectrum has moved so far to the left that today's "Republicans" are way to the left of yesteryear's "Liberals".

203 posted on 01/28/2004 2:07:23 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Texasforever; Don Joe
Karl says BOOO! That wasn't very nice, to scare Don Joe and give him a coronary.
204 posted on 01/28/2004 2:07:40 AM PST by Dane
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To: Texasforever
Hey, you finally got one right!

Congratulations! You're today's winner of the "Blind Pig" Award.

Remember, there's still one more acorn to find -- so don't give up just yet!
205 posted on 01/28/2004 2:09:05 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
The spectrum has moved so far to the left that today's "Republicans" are way to the left of yesteryear's "Liberals"

Huh I didn't know such Republican proposals such as privatizing social security or medical savings accounts were liberal.

Why do you spout such stuff. You know that Humphrey would not be for those things.

206 posted on 01/28/2004 2:10:55 AM PST by Dane
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To: Texasforever
Watch out or Boogy man Karl will get ya.

Whatever, Tex.

And don't you let that booga booga base bug ya. Remember, Bush owe's 'em nothing!

207 posted on 01/28/2004 2:11:25 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: calawah98
And it appears your principals are for destroying our borders, and turning the United States into a third world country.

How dare you accuse him of having principles? :)

208 posted on 01/28/2004 2:15:05 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
Wear some garlic to bed so Rove doesn't come in and bother you. Oh and don't eat any Mexican food, it will destroy your will to resist. Oh and don't forget to post that you will NOT VOTE FOR BUSH again. It has been at least 5 minutes since the last one.
209 posted on 01/28/2004 2:15:20 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I am curious as to why you are so loud in your decision? Who are you trying to warn?

What a coincidence. I was entertaining precisely those questions vis-a-vis your traffic here.

210 posted on 01/28/2004 2:18:42 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Texasforever
They see a Rove behind every Bush and a Mexican under every bed.

Nope, not under my bed -- but, on my land. So far they've stolen my boat from my pond, poached my blueberry crop (ONLY a few thousand bucks worth) for three years in a row, some poultry, etc.

Just a few illegals getting their fair share, right?

Right.

Goodbye, America!

Hola, Amexica!

211 posted on 01/28/2004 2:27:54 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
212 posted on 01/28/2004 3:02:44 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: goldstategop
Its time King George and Counselor Rove started paying them noblesse oblige for a change.

Droit de seigneur is getting a little old.

213 posted on 01/28/2004 6:31:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Dane; Texasforever
You guys are funny.
Your condescending name calling and arrogant posturing vividly outline your idiocy on this matter.
Cast your own vote in Nov. and until then do FR a favor and STFU.
214 posted on 01/28/2004 7:58:56 AM PST by KEVLAR
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To: Texasforever; Cultural Jihad; Poohbah; Howlin; PhiKapMom; Polly
Agreed.

Threats and attempts to intimidate are the WRONG WAY to try to change George W. Bush's mind - or even to get him to listen to your concerns.
215 posted on 01/28/2004 8:08:32 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: Texasforever
"... it will do nothing at all to help or hurt the situation."

Really? Just talk of it is already hurting the situation. Bush Plan a Magnet

216 posted on 01/28/2004 8:50:31 AM PST by A Navy Vet (Can I get a no down guarantee on a 32 ft SeaRay, please?)
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To: Texasforever
"Bush owes the "base" nothing."

That's what his father thought, also.

217 posted on 01/28/2004 8:56:12 AM PST by A Navy Vet (Can I get a no down guarantee on a 32 ft SeaRay, please?)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
bump
218 posted on 01/28/2004 8:56:15 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: kattracks
Bush won't change his mind about open borders, because this was put into motion by the UN years ago, and Bush agrees with it.

The only thing that will save America is for States to rise up independly, stop welfare and health care for illegals in your own state, and insist that criminals be deported.

Conservative Republicans and Democrats should join together and promote States rights legislation, and if the judiciary fights it, disbar the pukes.

219 posted on 01/28/2004 8:56:31 AM PST by swampfox98
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To: hchutch
It is obvious that if they are going to threaten or try to intimidate this Pres Bush, they will get nowhere fast! He doesn't take lightly to being threatened, does not get intimidated, and he has a memory that never forgets!

Seems some folks need to learn the lesson that President Bush is not like his Dad. He is much more like his Mom and we all know what happens when Barbara Bush gets angry. In 1994, she wasn't out campaigning that much for George W. for Governor until Ma Richards went on the attack. From that point on she crisscrossed the state with Nolan Ryan and also with Laura Bush.

See President Bush with some of the same attributes as his Mom -- when people go on the attack, his resolve strengthens in doing what he believes is the right thing -- threatening or trying to intimidate could have an adverse affect. This President will deal with reasonable people and their ideas. Threatening or trying to intimidate the President is not reasonable IMHO.
220 posted on 01/28/2004 9:02:54 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom
How does one intimidate a guy who went to Baghdad for Thanksgiving... BEFORE Saddam was dragged out of his rathole? And just my opinion, even if word got out he was away from the ranch, I don't think they would have turned Air Force One around.
221 posted on 01/28/2004 9:07:11 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: hchutch
I share that opinion -- that was said to intimidate the press! It worked!
222 posted on 01/28/2004 9:17:21 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Don Joe
Goodbye, America! Hola, Amexica!

I think there is a current race among immigrants of all countries to see who can turn America into something else. Look how many "towns" countries reside in our states (e.g., Little Cuba, Chinatowns, Iraqi-neighborhoods, Iranian-neighborhoods, Russian-neighborhoods, etc.).

There use to be a time when immigrants came to America to be American. Now they only come here to live IN America. Thus we have so many hyphen names here. They want to continue to dress in their native dress. They want to continue to speak their own language instead of speaking English. Use to be parents, once immigrated to America & an becoming American, would not allow their children to speak anything but English. Not so anymore.

So, we should not be surprised if in a few generations, we are no longer called United States of America. Better prepare your children or grandchildren that one day they or their families will be immigrants in what was once their own country.

I don't really have a problem with allowing people the process and opportunity to become American citizens. I just want them to keep America's standards. Keep America, American.

223 posted on 01/28/2004 9:26:32 AM PST by beachn4fun (Ok the race is on......protect our military & their jobs & our freedom.....vote Republican in '04.)
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To: LaurieB
But YOU DO NOT MATTER as you will vote for Bush regardless. You are being used, and to make it worse, you are doing it to yourself.

It's the same logic that battered women use to stay with abusive men.
224 posted on 01/28/2004 9:31:05 AM PST by DMCA (Illegal Aliens get out of jail free, Illegal song swapping - pay large fines/goto jail...)
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To: Don Joe
Realistically, I think we need to face up to the likelihood that this thing was a done deal before they laid word one of it on us, and NWIH are they gonna have it NOT go through.

Okie dokie, I'll bet you a six pack of Lime Diet Coke that it'll work out better than you think it will.Whaddya say?

225 posted on 01/28/2004 9:53:21 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: sweetliberty
Yup, it's basically, a revised version of 1994's Prop. 187, tweaked a bit so that it will survive the expected lawsuits from every leftist attorney and "civil rights" organization in California.
226 posted on 01/28/2004 10:00:06 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Travis McGee
I, for one, am not to be taken for granted by Wormtongue Rove because I'm a conservative, and he thinks I have no where else to go.

Let 'em watch me write-in Tancredo, the arrogant bastards.
227 posted on 01/28/2004 10:02:23 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Don Joe
yep Don Joe. It is sad.

If some people around here were TRYING to drive conservative voters away from Bush, they couldn't be doing a better job of it. Lies, personal attacks, ridicule, pile ons, and in general just TRYING to make people angry, all the while claiming to be the voice of sanity.

And the more outrageous the lies and attacks, the better it works.

The left's only chance to overcome the Republican party is to infiltrate it, pull it left with "moderate, well reasoned positions", and divide it. Essentially, to make the fall come from within.

Sad is the correct word Don Joe.

Hb


228 posted on 01/28/2004 10:10:03 AM PST by Hoverbug
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To: StoneColdGOP
I'm with you.
229 posted on 01/28/2004 10:58:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks
"This is another indicator of Congressman Tancredo's willingness to do harm to people who are willing to work in the lowest-paying jobs that we need for our economy," said Miss Baca, who called the president's plan "a step in the right direction."

So this is the justification for allowing aliens and American businessmen to break immagration law, and then follow up by stating that it is a step in the right direction?

The argument is bogus on both counts.
There are Americans who can and will do this work, but aren't going to work for next to nothing, because they can't afford to! So bring in a poor alien and exploit him so that you can retain profit margins, and then say that you had no choice!
Meanwhile, our countrymen, who can't afford to work for such low wages have to sign up for federal aid to their families, along with the aliens who are coming here and wont go back because they don't have to, and they know that as long as they are here, they can get the government goodies too!

So tell me again how this Amnesty Plan is supposed to help America?

President Bush; I am very disapointed in you!
230 posted on 01/28/2004 12:05:47 PM PST by Hillarys nightmare (Limbaugh is the single Greatest Human alive in the world today; and thank GOD he is an American!)
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To: kattracks
BTTT
231 posted on 01/28/2004 3:12:03 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Base to President Bush. Hello?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The greatest state of the greatest country on earth

You got that right pal...No one or nothing will ever change that...Thanks.

232 posted on 01/28/2004 5:26:31 PM PST by lewislynn (First they throw us a bone (tax cuts), then they flip us the bone (amnesty+hlth care+SS + ED.)
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To: calawah98
Oh and don't we know the dangers now, and the country is due to become even more destroyed by it and is being destroyed by it even as we speak. New and not necessarily good things are happening in this country right now. I think we all fully see it, a big share of us don't like it, and to make matters even worse - we don't know exactly what to do about it either.
233 posted on 01/28/2004 7:43:28 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: DMCA
I consider it my duty as a United States citizen get out there and vote for the candidate I feel is best. That might seem like a battered wife syndrome type of thing - but I assure you it is not. I am from Minnesota where our vote does not matter in the grand scheme of things. We simply do not have enough electoral votes in my state to tip things one way or the other. We can't do anything BUT make a statement with our vote and we're not likely to give that up too. So battered wife syndrome really doesn't apply in Minnesota. To give you an example, Minnesota has traditionally voted democrat (not to include me of course). In the last presidential election Minnesota voted republican. Now is that making a statement or what? I think so.
234 posted on 01/28/2004 7:47:35 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: Don Joe
They have GOT to learn that they do not "own" our votes. They have GOT to learn that they must earn our votes.

I agree with you there, however - I am from Minnesota where we do not have enough electoral votes to tip things one way or the other. Minnesota is traditionally made up of democratic voters (not to include me of course), but the last presidential election, Minnesota voted republican. I was shocked! For Minnesota that was making a pretty big statement. I think Minnesota proved that it was possible for Minnesota votes to swing either way even if it wasn't going to count. With not enough electoral votes in my state - all we have left to offer is making a statement. I think our last statement was pretty pronounced for anyone caring to acknowledge it. I hope someone did. Here in Minnesota we don't feel bad knowing how little our vote counts. It's just a fact and we accept it.
235 posted on 01/28/2004 7:56:36 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: calawah98
All that needed to be done, was lower the prices of medications for the ones that needed it, make the drug companies sell to the poor, at the same price they sell to Mexico and Canada.


Wouldn't that make too much sense? LOL
236 posted on 01/28/2004 8:06:38 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: calawah98
I read where Miami says they are the city that wants to become the new capital of the Americas.



Hmmmmmmmmm, I was just thinking - wouldn't it be rather difficult for them to rule if say perhaps a horrible hurricane just happened to carry them out to sea and separate them from the rest of us? Just a funny thought, lol!
237 posted on 01/28/2004 8:09:10 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: kattracks
So let's see.
Bush proposes an immigration bill that makes him popular with some minority immigrant communities, but then it dies in Congress.

For the so called conservatives who threaten not to support Bush in November, the issue is off the table long before the election.
But for those he impressed by the proposal, he still looks like the good guy.

It's a win-win situation.
Bush must be loving every minute of this.

238 posted on 01/28/2004 8:20:08 PM PST by Jorge
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To: garandgal
I absolutely agree with your logic on healthcare and I do think it could be a solution - but only part of a solution. The drawbacks of course is all those people out there who cannot hold on to a dime for anything - some could but don't - some just can't - not enough money. That is where that plan would fall short. You and I are able to put the deductible aside in savings for that medical rainy day. We'd be taken care of and it makes perfect sense to me. As I'm talking about it here - I'm thinking it does sound a little like someone was planning another type of welfare system when developing HMO's (the dems?). I remember the days when we had the good ole 80/20 plans with a deductible and you didn't hear of any problems with our healthcare in this country then. But then I also remember not having the money at the time for that deductible or the 20 percent. I was just too poor at the time. Given a life-threatening situation, death would have been the only thing I could afford.

I'd also like to mention, I remember reading an article on how those 80/20 plans were making money and holding up the HMO's that were losing money hand over fist. We saw the bigger picture way back then and look at where it has been allowed to take us. What were we thinking?

Going back to these 80/20 plans with a deductible would only work for some of us. To be fair, we'd have to figure out something for the rest of the citizens who just can't do it. I like the sound of your plan. It's on the right track. Try to create what we had in the past. You know the days when we actually knew what a hospital room cost and could realistically face it?
239 posted on 01/28/2004 8:32:19 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: Don Joe
LOL! I believe it! Hey! In my one post where I mentioned "Minnesota voters traditionally vote democratic (but not me)" - I meant to say "democrat" LOL! Time for me to go to bed! Later!
240 posted on 01/28/2004 8:56:45 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: LaurieB
The drawbacks of course is all those people out there who cannot hold on to a dime for anything - some could but don't - some just can't - not enough money.

I know, that's why I proposed it as something to replace insurance that people have through their employers. Once someone signed up for the plan, the money would actually go into an account that couldn't be used for anything other than medical expenses...until any remainder might be taken as taxable income on retirement or death (by heirs). Maybe, you could borrow against any overage (above and beyond the deductible)...like a 401K...don't know...just brainstorming and tossing around ideas.

I even thought, that to combat any resistance by insurance companies..they could get into the business of managing individual medical savings accounts...most of them are in the retirement or pension business, anyway.

Picture this, the account would be like a money market..drawing some small measure of interest for it's holder. A card (like an ATM) could be issued. Then, when you went to the Doctor, YOUR money could be automatically withdrawn with one swipe. Again, it would be YOUR money, so you would have incentive not to spend it without necessity.

Imagine the joy of the Doc's...not to have to deal with the insurance paperwork and dictates.

Of course, the catastrophic policy would kick in for any major events, but people would still have an incentive to save up to cover any non-covered items.

As far as those without means to have any insurance, tax breaks might give employers an incentive to start to offer something like this. Even if we can get SOME additional employers to offer insurance, we would be better off.

Thanks for the reply...let me know if you have any additional ideas...maybe we can solve the "health care crisis" right here on FR. We'd better get credit, though!

241 posted on 01/28/2004 9:06:01 PM PST by garandgal (Capitalism works wonderfully amongst a moral people)
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To: LaurieB
A hurricane wash them out to sea.

Could not happen to a nicer group!!

LOL

242 posted on 01/28/2004 11:30:35 PM PST by calawah98
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To: LaurieB
That is odd. You dont want mexicans to move to your country and yet you speak of moving to norway. What if they decided - they dont want americans, because [...insert your favourite reason here...]?
just wondering
243 posted on 02/09/2004 6:38:49 PM PST by ani
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To: narby
I am tired of these same old lame arguments. GW has lost my vote already. He now has to earn it again. I GW can not do the will of the people that elected him, it is time to move on.
244 posted on 02/09/2004 6:44:31 PM PST by devane617
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To: Texasforever
The quickest way for these guys to get Bush's stubborn streak in high gear is to threaten him.

Who gives a damn about someone's stubbornness when our country is literally being over run with third world illegal aliens.

245 posted on 02/09/2004 6:49:38 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Jorge
For the so called conservatives who threaten not to support Bush in November, the issue is off the table long before the election. But for those he impressed by the proposal, he still looks like the good guy.

Huh?

246 posted on 02/09/2004 6:51:32 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: calawah98
In other words, you are saying, he will do WHAT HE WANTS, not what THE PEOPLE, who he represents want?

That's it, exactly. This is the same kind of willful arrogance Clinton used when he double-crossed his gay supporters over gays in the military. Worse, the gay supporters of Bill Clinton were a small part of his liberal base. He could afford to stab them in the back. Bush is turning on the core constituency that got him there.

Is Dubya so arrogant (or brain-dead, take your pick) to think he can expect a Reaganesque-type landslide in November? Because that's the way he's acting.

247 posted on 02/09/2004 6:58:07 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Texasforever
The quickest way for these guys to get Bush's stubborn streak in high gear is to threaten him.

And the quickest way for Bush to find himself back in Texas for an early retirement to turn on the very constituency that got him where he is.

248 posted on 02/09/2004 6:59:59 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Huh?

Go back and read it again.

It's a political calculation.
After I posted that, I heard the same exact take suggested on the Rush show. Great minds think alike.

249 posted on 02/09/2004 7:21:55 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Euro-American Scum; Don Joe
Second shift?
Good luck!
Dont you know you are a racist, liberal, Bush hating Democrat if you even dare voice your dissent against a repeat of a failed policy even former President Ronald Reagan said was wrong?
Shut up and drink the Kool-aid!
I have heard that grape is the preferred flavor!
250 posted on 02/09/2004 7:24:11 PM PST by sarasmom (No war for oil=Give France/Russia/China etc oil ,and no war-or so Saddam thought.)
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