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Republicans warn Bush on immigration policy
Washington Times ^ | 1/28/04 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 01/27/2004 10:30:57 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:12:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER - Twenty-three congressmen warned President Bush in a letter yesterday that he risks an election-year backlash from Republican voters if he continues to press his guest-worker proposal.

The Republican lawmakers said their congressional offices have received a flood of angry letters, e-mails and phone calls from Republican constituents vowing that they will refuse to vote for the president if his program is approved.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; backlash; gwb2004; illegals; immigrationplan; invasion; nannystate; virgilgoode; welfarestate
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1 posted on 01/27/2004 10:30:58 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The quickest way for these guys to get Bush's stubborn streak in high gear is to threaten him.
2 posted on 01/27/2004 10:33:04 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...
Short list.
3 posted on 01/27/2004 10:34:04 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: kattracks
Wow, the Bush people really have a tin year. What part of "no" don't they understand.
4 posted on 01/27/2004 10:35:55 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Texasforever
If he wants to lose out of his stubborness, that's his problem.

I will NOT vote for a president who signs any kind of amnesty, no matter how it is weasel-worded.

5 posted on 01/27/2004 10:36:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Texasforever
They are supposed to represent those that elected them, not serve Bush. It is Bush's fault for proposing such a brain-dead program to begin with.

What was he thinking?
6 posted on 01/27/2004 10:37:51 PM PST by DMCA (Illegal Aliens get out of jail free, Illegal song swapping - pay large fines/goto jail...)
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To: kattracks
I've been too swamped with work to follow what's been going on with this one. I'm horrified, and can't believe Bush is pushing this, even given the political realities. Unlike our friend Dennins Miller, I'm not real inclined to give him a pass on this. Am I alone on this, or what? Is there a common view on this one, or are we all over the map (as it were)?
7 posted on 01/27/2004 10:38:02 PM PST by teech (You can read this: thank your teachers. You're FREE to read this: thank our Veterans.)
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To: Travis McGee
I will NOT vote for a president who signs any kind of amnesty, no matter how it is weasel-worded.

That's fine. But these guys would be better served to just make sure the bill is not passed. The ball is in their court.

8 posted on 01/27/2004 10:38:31 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks
The peasants are ready to go to the barricades with their pitchforks. Its time King George and Counselor Rove started paying them noblesse oblige for a change. Which would keep His Majesty on the throne. ;-)
9 posted on 01/27/2004 10:38:37 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 47

10 posted on 01/27/2004 10:38:43 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Texasforever
In other words, you are saying, he will do WHAT HE WANTS, not what THE PEOPLE, who he represents want?
11 posted on 01/27/2004 10:40:10 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Texasforever
If Bush signs any kind of amnesty with 100% of the 'rats and 10% of the Rinos, I will blame him personally 100%.

And I will NOT vote for him.

I would rather have an honest enemy in front of me, than a back-stabber behind me.

12 posted on 01/27/2004 10:40:58 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: DMCA
They are supposed to represent those that elected them, not serve Bush. It is Bush's fault for proposing such a brain-dead program to begin with.

Bush is simply following up on an issue he has advocated ever since he began his political career. These guys all knew that and now wait until an election year to “warn” him. It won’t work.

13 posted on 01/27/2004 10:41:30 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: DMCA
He wasn't thinking...he was doing what Karl Rove told him to do. Rove is so SURE he has the conservative base "locked up", he thinks there is NOTHING Bush can do to keep us at home this November.

He thinks that we'll still crawl over broken glass because of 9/11 and we can't trust any Democrat to protect us (see my tagline).

But he's pushing his luck I fear. And without some real progress in Iraq by this summer and the fact we can't find ANY WMD, much less stockpiles no one cares about really, it's just going to erode Bush's numbers among independents.

Fortunately, it looks like the economy is going to be going gang busters and that will convince voters to give him four more years.

Although, it's sad that voters just over two years after 9/11 think healthcare and the economy are more important. This scares me. I guess in their minds, not enough people died and they don't see the fact we haven't been attacked again as progress, they think it's just back to normal.
14 posted on 01/27/2004 10:44:29 PM PST by Fledermaus (Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
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To: calawah98
That is what he is supposed to do. If you don't like his decision then do what Travis is going to do, elect a democrat so you have an "honest enemy".
15 posted on 01/27/2004 10:45:25 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
The only positive for Bush on this issue is that every Democrat would just hand them legal status tomorrow and open the borders.

How they sell that to their base while complaining about jobs is something I've never understood. Oh yeah, their base is full of idiots.
16 posted on 01/27/2004 10:46:25 PM PST by Fledermaus (Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
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To: Texasforever
The Republican Party has been getting in a bad habit of going against the wishes of many conseratives.

In Washington State they came out against most of our recent anti-tax initiatives - because the Big Biz interests did not support them.

Tax relief for Boeing is OK, tax relief for Joe Sixpack, well that's not good for business...

17 posted on 01/27/2004 10:46:27 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: Fledermaus
I think this is a Karl Rove calculation that Hispandering will be a net vote gain, brining in more Latino voters than it will lose from his conservative base.

I think Bush and Rove are dead wrong, and if he signs any kind of amnesty, he will LOSE.

18 posted on 01/27/2004 10:47:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Fledermaus
their base is full of idiots.

They have no monopoly on that.

19 posted on 01/27/2004 10:47:50 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks
I've hesitated to say anything on these anti-immigration threads but it will be a disaster if Bush actually got this through. The Southwest is just starting to recover from Simpson-Missouli(I think that was the bill but I think my spelling is all wrong)

Before that, it was illegal for the Mexican illegals to work but it wasn't illegal to hire them. They worked on farms and ranches along the border, sent their money home, didn't pay SS or taxes, and went back home when they had earned enough money for a "grub stake". Then the liberals got upset and thought that they were being mistreated and some horror stories came out and everyone believed that these poor workers were beaten, starved and severely abused and needed all the protection of a US citizen.

After the amnesty bill the ones who received it didn't assimilate very well and many became a burden on the social services system and the Mexicans who wanted to come and work in the US were forced beyond the border where the Border Patrol system is strong and now they rarely go home.

They also said when they passed that bill that it would be a one time thing. How do you think they will believe that if it happens again? They'll be coming in droves because they will see that we don't mean what we say.

20 posted on 01/27/2004 10:48:37 PM PST by tiki
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To: kattracks
Reps. Todd Akin of Missouri

Todd Akin is one of the good guys in Congress. He would be my Rep. if not for redistricting. Now, I have Lacy Clay, a big liberal Rat !

I am surprised that Rep. Jo Ann Emerson ( MO. ) isn`t on the list, she is usually pretty strong on immigration issues as well.

I myself am not in favor of any guest worker program, after seeing what happened with the H1B visa program, I think what Bush is proposing is lunacy.

I know he has ticked off a quite a few of my family members, and some are not going to vote for him in November.
21 posted on 01/27/2004 10:48:46 PM PST by Bud Krieger ( Who is Bud Krieger?)
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To: kattracks; JustPiper
"Our office has a stack of letters 8 to 9 inches tall already, and that's not including phone calls," Mr. Espinosa said. "We had to create an immigration hot line after the president's speech just for the calls we were getting. They're saying they won't vote for the president if he pushes this legislation."

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Well done, Freepers!
22 posted on 01/27/2004 10:48:46 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: Travis McGee
I am horrified at the number of people who seem to give Bush a pass no matter what he does

It sometimes seems we're not allowed to disagree without being told we have wet dreams of Hillary.... eeek

23 posted on 01/27/2004 10:49:43 PM PST by GeronL (Two kinds of people in this country: Makers and Takers........ which are you?)
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To: Travis McGee
Only the extremely liberal Hispanics will cheer this bill.
24 posted on 01/27/2004 10:50:02 PM PST by tiki
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To: Texasforever
They have no monopoly on that.

Noted and understood. So where does that put you? Been watching your posts for several months now. You're no conservative. I thing Texasforever is spelled RINO.

25 posted on 01/27/2004 10:51:00 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: 13foxtrot
The Republican Party has been getting in a bad habit of going against the wishes of many conseratives.

Exactly what percentage of "conservative wishes" should be delivered to 20% of the GOP voting population? Especially a 20% that is more likely to sit at home or vote 3rd party than actually vote GOP?

26 posted on 01/27/2004 10:52:49 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks
So what's Bush supposed to do? Let the status quo stand? Oh, sure, that's worked well.

Deport 10's of millions of illegals? Sure, that'd go over real good with the moderate voters who decide elections.

At least the guy is doing what he said he'd do in 2000. Which is far more than anything a Democrat would do.

Go ahead folks, vote for a non-Bush, or don't vote. You'll get John Kerry and deserve him.

27 posted on 01/27/2004 10:54:24 PM PST by narby (Who would Osama vote for???)
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To: teech
FR ran a poll...67% were against it. And that's just here on FR. You are in the majority.
28 posted on 01/27/2004 10:54:37 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: Bernard Marx
You're no conservative

What you actually mean is that I am not a PJB populist.

29 posted on 01/27/2004 10:54:53 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Fledermaus
Rove is so SURE he has the conservative base "locked up", he thinks there is NOTHING Bush can do to keep us at home this November.

This Conservative isn't in a lock box, nor are many here. And we won't be staying home on election day..we'll be voting for an alternative!
30 posted on 01/27/2004 10:57:37 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: Texasforever
Exactly what percentage of "conservative wishes" should be delivered to 20% of the GOP voting population? Especially a 20% that is more likely to sit at home or vote 3rd party than actually vote GOP?

In Washington State the Republican party was willing to be anti, or neutral, to anti-tax initiatives that were supported by ~60% of all voters. Because Boeing and Microsoft did not like them. See Boeing and Microsoft only want corporate tax breaks - they feared that reducing the "peoples" tax burden would reduce the State ability to fund roads and such that the business's like. It is shameful that the Repubs here ignored their base.

On the national scale we have, inter alia:


31 posted on 01/27/2004 11:02:36 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: Texasforever
What you actually mean is that I am not a PJB populist.

I'm always amused by "mind-readers." Is that what I mean? Is anyone who believes in the rule of law a "PJB populist?"

32 posted on 01/27/2004 11:04:16 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
thank you!
33 posted on 01/27/2004 11:05:44 PM PST by teech (You can read this: thank your teachers. You're FREE to read this: thank our Veterans.)
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To: Texasforever
When exactly did Bush come out and say he was for making illegals, legal when he was campaigning?

Now I understand why in, the last three years, we have been invaded from the south and north.
Do you know what is happening on the border right now, since he mentioned guest worker status for illegals?

I do not live in Calif, but my heart breaks for what they have endured for the last few years, because no one else had a problem, an ignored their problem with illegals.

Do you know that the State of Calif could build a 16 room school, every day, 7 days a week, for 5 years and still be short school rooms?
34 posted on 01/27/2004 11:10:45 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Bernard Marx
I believe you started the "mind reading" shtick with your assertion I was not a conservative. Sucks huh?
35 posted on 01/27/2004 11:11:04 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks
"The president's temporary-worker program is a well thought-out aimed at improving border security, meeting our economic needs and being compassionate to those trying to improve their situation for themselves and their families," Miss Buchan said.

I disagree.

36 posted on 01/27/2004 11:11:30 PM PST by Penner
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To: calawah98
When exactly did Bush come out and say he was for making illegals, legal when he was campaigning?

In his campaign issue papers, in the debates and for 8 years as Texas governor.

37 posted on 01/27/2004 11:13:45 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
They're saying they won't vote for the president if he pushes this legislation."

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Well done, Freepers!

Darn right ,intensify the pressure folks!

But one of our good Congressman is being threatened!

Calif. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher Receives Death Threat Over Immigrant Bill AP ^ | 1/27/04 Posted on 01/27/2004 9:52:01 PM CST by JeanS HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. (AP) - The offices of Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher received dozens of threatening telephone calls Tuesday, including one death threat, after he authored a bill that would limit health care services for immigrants.

38 posted on 01/27/2004 11:15:46 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican BUT Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Texasforever
No, you called me an "idiot." That ain't schtick. If Bush's base (conservatives) consists of a large percentage of idiots, then what does that make you?

I'm being run off from the computer for tonight but I'll get back to you tomorrow.
39 posted on 01/27/2004 11:16:44 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: JustPiper
I read that!

But..but..they're just hardworking family men trying to support their families..taking the jobs Americans won't do! LOL
40 posted on 01/27/2004 11:19:00 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: calawah98
I do not live in Calif, but my heart breaks for what they have endured for the last few years,

Here is a hanky. Look, if this is passed and Bush signs it, it will do nothing at all to help or hurt the situation. The only way to "solve" it is the 1954 solution and that is impossible to do today.

41 posted on 01/27/2004 11:19:01 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Penner
I'm glad that conservative dissent is getting some recognition. When the President announced his plan, I made a couple of calls; one to the RNC and another to the Immigration Hotline and I politely but firmly let them know that I disagreed on this issue and that this position would have an adverse effect on other Republican elections.
42 posted on 01/27/2004 11:19:09 PM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: Texasforever
He talked about a guest worker program, a lot of use assumend that it would not apply to THOSE THAT HAVE BROKEN THE DAMN LAW.

Why does Bush wish to help those that have broken the law?
43 posted on 01/27/2004 11:19:54 PM PST by DMCA (Illegal Aliens get out of jail free, Illegal song swapping - pay large fines/goto jail...)
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To: kattracks
I certainly will not be voting anything but republican in 04 - that's a given. But when I think of what Bush has done here - I am reminded of just how unprotected our borders are. We are screaming to have our borders protected. If our borders were adequately protected we wouldn't have a problem with these Mexicans coming over the border to work. This has caused some nightmares already and I think those nightmares are just the tip of the iceberg to what might come. Jobs are going overseas now we invite illegals to come into our country and take our jobs. These illegals are securing good jobs. I've already heard of employers who fired all of their employees and went with a private contractor who in turn hired all illegals from Mexico. And I haven't even mentioned the terrorism factor yet. Our government is doing a piss poor job in protecting their citizens. Rather then sending our military overseas - why don't they use them for something of real value - like protecting our borders. Frankly, if I didn't have local obligations (my family) to worry about - I would go live in Norway. That's pretty sad when you feel you're being run out of your own country.
44 posted on 01/27/2004 11:20:00 PM PST by LaurieB (It just goes to show you......)
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To: kattracks
The cat's outta the bag. As far as I'm concerned the damage is done no matter what he does now. I no longer trust him.
45 posted on 01/27/2004 11:21:16 PM PST by lewislynn (First they throw us a bone (tax cuts), then they flip us the bone (amnesty+hlth care+SS + ED.)
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To: Travis McGee
I would rather have an honest enemy in front of me, than a back-stabber behind me.

If any of the DemonicRATS replace W you will have have a DISHONEST enemy stabbing you in the heart!
46 posted on 01/27/2004 11:21:16 PM PST by cartoonistx
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To: DMCA
They are supposed to represent those that elected them, not serve Bush.

Not according to some here.

47 posted on 01/27/2004 11:22:35 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: LaurieB
You, and people like you, are the reason nothing is done. He already has your vote so why worry about it? Better to get pander and get more votes than to do what is right.
48 posted on 01/27/2004 11:23:06 PM PST by DMCA (Illegal Aliens get out of jail free, Illegal song swapping - pay large fines/goto jail...)
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To: DMCA
Why does Bush wish to help those that have broken the law?

Why do we have parole/probation? Why do we have "tax amnesty days"? Why do we have speeding ticket amnesties. Get real.

49 posted on 01/27/2004 11:23:32 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: calawah98
do not live in Calif, but my heart breaks for what they have endured for the last few years, because no one else had a problem, an ignored their problem with illegals.

A great deal of California's problem with illegals ,and other things, is a mostly a self inflicted wound. Too generous social welfare, an attitude of well, live and let live, and some really lunatic political moves are all contributions to said wound, I can empathsize, though ,I live in Louisiana ,a demented banana republic only proud of the fact that at least we ain't Arkansas.

50 posted on 01/27/2004 11:24:38 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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