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AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION
Spirit Daily ^ | 1-29-04

Posted on 01/29/2004 6:30:44 AM PST by cpforlife.org

The emergence of Senator John Kerry as a presidential candidate raises crucial questions about how bishops may react, seeing that he presents himself both as a staunchly pro-choice politician and as a practicing Catholic. The issue is of immediate moment, for it is a time when bishops across the United States -- including on Kerry's home turf of Boston -- have been issuing statements or even canonical declarations warning those who favor abortion to abstain from the Eucharist.

Kerry represents Massachusetts in the U.S. Senate and hails from Boston. He has seized control of the Democratic primaries -- at least for the moment -- and professes to paid heed to his religion. "I am a believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic," he has been quoted as saying.

But only a week ago, newly-installed Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley struck out against pro-choicers like Kerry, telling a Catholic website called LifeSiteNews.com, "These politicians should know that if they're not voting correctly on these life issues that they shouldn't dare come to Communion."

Those words appear at great odds with Kerry's voting record and may put him on a collision course with the Church, should he ever assume control of the Oval Office. In fact Kerry even opposes a ban on partial-birth abortion. According to his campaign website: "John Kerry believes that women have the right to control their own bodies, their own lives, and their own destinies. He believes that the Constitution protects their right to choose and to make their own decisions in consultation with their doctor, their conscience, and their God. He will defend this right as President. He recently announced he will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. Kerry also believes that we should promote family planning and health plans should assure women contraceptive coverage.

These positions are the perfect opposite of the Church's, and if elected his standing as a "practicing" Catholic could generate significant -- and perhaps even monumental controversy -- leaving open the possibility that America's second Catholic President could become the first to be prohibited from receiving Holy Communion, the Church's defining sacrament.

Just last November Archbishop Raymond L. Burke -- now in St. Louis but at the time bishop of LaCrosse, Wisconsin -- issued a canonical notification prohibiting the Eucharist for pro-choice lawmakers.

"Catholic legislators who are members of the faithful of the Diocese of La Crosse and who continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia may not present themselves to receive Holy Communion," said the notification. "They are not to be admitted to Holy Communion, should they present themselves, until such time as they publicly renounce their support of these most unjust practices." The document repeated the Vatican's teaching that Catholics involved in lawmaking have a "grave and clear obligation to oppose" any measure that is an attack on human life. "For them, as for every Catholic, it is impossible to promote such laws or to vote for them," it says.

This was followed by a statement by New Orleans Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes -- who less than two weeks ago said that "the Louisiana bishops are sending a copy of this document to each of our elected Catholic public officials in Baton Rouge and Washington. When Catholic officials openly support the taking of human life in abortion, euthanasia or the destruction of human embryos, they are no longer faithful members in the Church and should not partake of Holy Communion. Moreover, citizens who promote this unjust taking of human life by their vote or support of such candidates share in responsibility for this grave evil."

The need is to pray for the potential leaders, as opposed to simple condemnation. Can John Kerry return to faithful Catholicism?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; abortion; catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; christ; demoncrat; holocaust; kerry; truth
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Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and MURDERER from the beginning.
1 posted on 01/29/2004 6:30:46 AM PST by cpforlife.org
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Article: Could Kerry become the first President to be denied Communion? PING
2 posted on 01/29/2004 6:32:15 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cpforlife.org
The emergence of Senator John Kerry as a presidential candidate raises crucial questions about how bishops may react, seeing that he presents himself both as a staunchly pro-choice politician and as a practicing Catholic.

I hope one day the Church does get a spine but I am sure Ted Kennedy sleeps well at night and has no problems going to mass...

3 posted on 01/29/2004 6:33:14 AM PST by 2banana
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To: 2banana
I'm sure there's a Bishop for sale somewhere.
4 posted on 01/29/2004 6:34:13 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Why would anyone think he would attend mass if there is this chance? He'll simply spend his time visiting black churches who will welcome him with open arms.
5 posted on 01/29/2004 6:34:33 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: cpforlife.org
Does this mean now he is ELECTABLE?


That's what I keep hearing on TV.
6 posted on 01/29/2004 6:35:24 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (The word system implies they have done something the same way at least twice)
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To: 2banana; CAtholic Family Association; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; ...
A "President Kerry" and Communion scenario ping!
7 posted on 01/29/2004 6:35:33 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: cpforlife.org
I am a believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic,"

With two bastard children from his first marriage that wasn't a marriage in the eyes of the church.

8 posted on 01/29/2004 6:36:32 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Why should this be a problem, I thought Kerry was Jewish, why would he want to take communion?
9 posted on 01/29/2004 6:36:48 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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“Abortion and euthanasia are crimes, which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it’” (The Gospel of Life).
10 posted on 01/29/2004 6:38:36 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
Electable and presidential.....that's the phrase from the media!
11 posted on 01/29/2004 6:40:16 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: anniegetyourgun
True.

I think it was Hannity yesterday, who said look at Kennedy & Kerry together. Kerry is to the LEFT of Kennedy!

The contrasts between W & Kerry are night & day.
12 posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:50 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Good! I hope these bishops continue to stand their ground!
13 posted on 01/29/2004 6:43:51 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Alec <a href = "http://www.alecbaldwin.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: cpforlife.org
How did JFK get communion if they would deny it to Kerry?
14 posted on 01/29/2004 6:43:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cpforlife.org
leaving open the possibility that America's second Catholic President could become the first to be prohibited from receiving Holy Communion, the Church's defining sacrament.

Well, then, that will be Kerry's CHOICE, won't it?

15 posted on 01/29/2004 6:45:04 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: cpforlife.org
If he were to be denied communion as 'president' that means he has been denied communion all along as a senator, right? Surely his views aren't going to be different. I'm still waiting on the first volley, a 'catholic' politician being denied communion. There is a lot of talk but so far haven't heard it being done. I'm not sure the bishops and pastors have the fortitude for it.
16 posted on 01/29/2004 6:45:27 AM PST by hardhead ("Curly, if you say its a fine morning, I'll shoot you." John Wayne, 'McLintock, 1963')
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To: cpforlife.org
" ...seeing that he presents himself both as a staunchly pro-choice politician and as a practicing Catholic."

So, let me get this straight. As a practicing Catholic, he believes that aborted children are humans, made in the image of God. He believes they are sentient beings, and when their skull is crushed and their their brains sucked out, they suffer a cruel and agonizing death, alone, abandoned. His heart and soul are filled with empathy for these little ones.

But, because he's moved from his religious underpinnings, he has a profound moral duty to legalize this practice.

What a wierd, twisted, man.

17 posted on 01/29/2004 6:46:08 AM PST by cookcounty (JohnFKerry: "The only man in history to be on both sides of 3 wars.")
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To: Happy2BMe
Let's pray that this "no Body for death lovers" policy spreads like wildfire. I think it's wonderful.
18 posted on 01/29/2004 6:46:09 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: cpforlife.org
John Kerry, like Ted Kennedy, uses religion as a convenient cloak, loosened and easily discarded for political advantage. I must admit, I'd like to have a camera there if he did try to attend communion, just to see if the priest would deny him.
19 posted on 01/29/2004 6:47:50 AM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Kerry, like Tom Daschle and Ted Kennedy, is Catholic in name only. Between their divorces and unwaivering support of abortion they have long ago left the Church, but will call themselves Catholic if it gets them votes. It is about time that the Bishops get some spine and publically exposed their hypocracy.

However, many Catholic clergy have long supported the liberal "social justice" agenda espoused by Kerry and the like and cannot bring themselves to support George Bush who has done more to limit abortion than any President since Reagan.

20 posted on 01/29/2004 6:48:03 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: cpforlife.org
Kerry is also divorced. How is it he is still considered a Catholic in good standing?
21 posted on 01/29/2004 6:48:09 AM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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To: OldFriend
Electable and presidential.....that's the phrase from the media!

Take comfort in the fact that God won't find him very "electable".

22 posted on 01/29/2004 6:48:24 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: 2banana
I hope one day the Church does get a spine but I am sure Ted Kennedy sleeps well at night and has no problems going to mass...

Teddy SHOULD go to Mass, it's only Holy Communion in which he cannot partake. We are ALL sinners to some degree, so we need to participate in Mass, with the community of believers. We gain strength being with others of the Faith, but we should not receive Communion if we are in a state of mortal sin. Their being pro-abortion, especially being so public about it and actively making it possible with their votes is why nominally Catholic politicians should not receive Communion.

23 posted on 01/29/2004 6:50:06 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: cpforlife.org
We're going through a similar issue here in Michigan.

The Canadian Trash in the governor's mansion -- Jennifer Granholm -- claims to be a practicing Catholic but the VERY WEEK she vetoed the overwhelmingly-support partial birth abortion ban, she TOOK COMMUNION in a church in Lansing and the presiding bishop/priest/Christ-backstabber didn't bat an eye.

Catholics in the state are urging Adam Maida to take a stand on this, but he's using the lame excuse of staying out of politics. Well, Mr. Maida, if Jenny wants to dabble in politics she should STAY OUT OF THE CHURCH!

24 posted on 01/29/2004 6:50:12 AM PST by Kieri (Who's waiting for the return of her beloved Farscape!)
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To: dfwgator
"How did JFK get communion if they would deny it to Kerry?"

Kerry has openly promised to work for the protection of the practice of killing innocent humans.

Refresh me as to what mortal sins JFK wanted to legalize.

JFK was a womanizer, which is not good, but I don't think it compares at all to Kerry's pro-depravity crusade.

25 posted on 01/29/2004 6:54:40 AM PST by cookcounty (JohnFKerry: "The only man in history to be on both sides of 3 wars.")
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To: cpforlife.org; NYer; Maximilian; narses
Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and MURDERER from the beginning. 1 posted on 01/29/2004 6:30:46 AM PST by cpforlife.org

Well, Kerry has clearly sided with Satan. He may have to deal with the consequences of that strange leap of faith. Should be an interesting showdown. Christ vs. Satan.

The bishops will have to decide how much courage they have to defend innocent life. Against Satan, John Kerry, and their liberal minions.

26 posted on 01/29/2004 6:55:41 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Kieri
"Well, Mr. Maida, if Jenny wants to dabble in politics she should STAY OUT OF THE CHURCH!"

Most Excellent!! The best heard in a while!
27 posted on 01/29/2004 6:56:17 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: AAABEST
It's going to be up to us to help the Lord along and vote for President Bush!
28 posted on 01/29/2004 7:00:00 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: cpforlife.org; ninenot
ping for later
29 posted on 01/29/2004 7:00:56 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Republican Red
Kerry is also divorced. How is it he is still considered a Catholic in good standing?

From another comment on this thread I gather he got his first marriage annulled. The annulment rules are pretty flexible, and NOT just for famous people. There's usually an argument that can be made. I'm surprised that he actually would go to that length instead of just remarrying outside the Church.

Tom Daschle didn't get an annulment, just divorced and remarried, and again, shockingly, claims he doesn't present himself for communion.

30 posted on 01/29/2004 7:02:08 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: AD from SpringBay
Indulgences are certainly nothing new in the Catholic Church.
31 posted on 01/29/2004 7:03:35 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................**AMEND** the Fourteenth Amendment......(There, is THAT better?).................)
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To: cpforlife.org
I sure hope so.

Kerry's not the only politician of any denominational stripe to check his religion at the door.
32 posted on 01/29/2004 7:06:06 AM PST by Jaded (Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
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To: cpforlife.org
Who cares. The catholic church does not run the country, fortunately.
33 posted on 01/29/2004 7:07:53 AM PST by cynicom
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To: JohnnyZ
Kerry is divorced not an annulment.

Kerry separated from his first wife, Julia Thorne, in 1983, and they finalized their divorce in 1988.

Many others, including Jackie Kennedy Onasis were excommunicated for divorce.
34 posted on 01/29/2004 7:09:30 AM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Pardon me CAtholic Family Association,

Would you happen to know of something such as a Petition to Interdict or Excommunicate Culture of Death "Catholics" that might be ramped up with special focus on pro-death politicos running this fall?

35 posted on 01/29/2004 7:14:17 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cynicom
In a way, its too bad they don't. The protestants haven't done a very good job, now have they?
36 posted on 01/29/2004 7:15:17 AM PST by hardhead ("Curly, if you say its a fine morning, I'll shoot you." John Wayne, 'McLintock, 1963')
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To: Republican Red
"Many others, including Jackie Kennedy Onasis were excommunicated for divorce."

Really? I guess those were the good old days.
37 posted on 01/29/2004 7:15:44 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: 2banana; BlackElk
I hope one day the Church does get a spine...

Please reread the article. The vertebrae are aligning.

The bishop of Madison Wisconsin just said the same thing last week. And, as you may know, Madison is a bastion of Leftism.

Also, based on the unequivocal sermon I heard last Sunday, the Rockford Diocese may be ready to go the same way.

I don't hear of any other church as vocal on this issue as ours.

38 posted on 01/29/2004 7:17:32 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: cpforlife.org
...married to another believing and practicing Catholic.

A believing and practicing Catholic who preaches the gospel of prenuptial agreements.

39 posted on 01/29/2004 7:17:33 AM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: Republican Red
who did jackie divorce??
40 posted on 01/29/2004 7:18:34 AM PST by camas
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To: cpforlife.org
The need is to pray for the potential leaders, as opposed to simple condemnation. Can John Kerry return to faithful Catholicism?

Kerry can run across the street and join Bill Clinton's old church. They don't care what you believe or practice.

41 posted on 01/29/2004 7:19:41 AM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004)
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Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

Have you heard about National Christian Voter Registration Sundays ?

42 posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:09 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: OldFriend
Electable and presidential.....that's the phrase from the media!

I got the memo.

I didn't say Presidential. Just electable. (They hope)

43 posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:59 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (The word system implies they have done something the same way at least twice)
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To: Barnacle
Please reread the article. The vertebrae are aligning.

Is there a time frame for the Church committee that's developing a uniform policy regarding pro-abort pols?

44 posted on 01/29/2004 7:21:38 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: JohnnyZ
Annulment is just another word for "hypocrisy" in
most cases, for the ones getting it and the ones
granting it.
45 posted on 01/29/2004 7:21:44 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: hardhead
I am catholic and I do not denounce others, nor do I wish to push my views over on others.
46 posted on 01/29/2004 7:21:45 AM PST by cynicom
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To: AppyPappy
Did he get an annulment on the first marriage, after having kids?
47 posted on 01/29/2004 7:22:35 AM PST by Rebelbase ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: Republican Red
Kerry's ex-wife refused to allow an annulment.

Who did Jackie O divorce?


48 posted on 01/29/2004 7:25:14 AM PST by petitfour
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To: cynicom
Thats exactly what Kerry, Daschle, Kennedy, et al, have said. They leave their religion at the door of the senate chambers and vote the conscience of their constituents. If religion is 'on paper only', it is meaningless.
49 posted on 01/29/2004 7:25:37 AM PST by hardhead ("Curly, if you say its a fine morning, I'll shoot you." John Wayne, 'McLintock, 1963')
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To: Rebelbase
That's what Coulter says
50 posted on 01/29/2004 7:26:23 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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