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AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION
Spirit Daily ^ | 1-29-04

Posted on 01/29/2004 6:30:44 AM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: cpforlife.org; Republican Red
Why would she have been excommunicated when she divorced a non-Catholic? Plus you don't get excommunicated for divorcing anyway - it's the remarriage w/o an annulment.
51 posted on 01/29/2004 7:27:33 AM PST by american colleen
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To: AppyPappy
With two bastard children from his first marriage that wasn't a marriage in the eyes of the church.

Ann Coulter brought that up in her recent townhall.com column. I didn't know about that.

Again, how can a marriage that spawned two children be annulled? Lots of Ketchup money donated to the church?

52 posted on 01/29/2004 7:30:21 AM PST by John123 (Ketchup boy is a poodle to rich women for the past 33 years!)
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To: cpforlife.org
What is this nonsense about health plans covering contraceptive costs for women? What about men?????????

53 posted on 01/29/2004 7:30:24 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Barnacle
"The vertebrae are aligning." I agree, it appears to be happening, though quite slowly.

"Also, based on the unequivocal sermon I heard last Sunday, the Rockford Diocese may be ready to go the same way."

Same here! New assistant, 40ish read from the Catechism on the evil of contraception and abortion. Then he spoke on voting with a properly formed Christian conscience. At the end the church applauded. Many stood in line to thank him. It really gave everyone a much needed boost. I'm moved just typing bout it.

I am in the Archdiocese of New Orleans and am happy to see Archbishop Hughes take a stand. We encourage him to be even bolder!

"I don't hear of any other church as vocal on this issue as ours." Let's encourage them to do even better, we are all in this war against terror on babies together!
54 posted on 01/29/2004 7:33:27 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: AppyPappy
If true, then that should be brought into play on the character issue.

Any man who would bastardize his own childern is not fit to be elected to high office.
55 posted on 01/29/2004 7:33:43 AM PST by Rebelbase ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: AppyPappy
With two bastard children from his first marriage that wasn't a marriage in the eyes of the church.

I don't think the children are considered illegitimate.

56 posted on 01/29/2004 7:35:06 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: cynicom
"I am catholic and I do not denounce others, nor do I wish to push my views over on others."

Which raises the question, what is YOUR "view" on abortion?
57 posted on 01/29/2004 7:36:28 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: Republican Red
Many others, including Jackie Kennedy Onasis were excommunicated for divorce.

Jackie Kennedy was never divorced. She was married to two men, both of whom died when they were married to her.

58 posted on 01/29/2004 7:36:45 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Saddam feels so bad for Howard Dean that he has offered him his hole.)
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To: cynicom; Aquinasfan; B Knotts; BlackElk; Campion; CAtholic Family Association; Chi-townChief; ...
Who cares. The catholic church does not run the country, fortunately.

About 70 million American Catholics care.

Indeed it is fortunate that religion does not run our country. But religion has it's place in a nations culture, and needs to speak out, especially in the face of a great moral wrong.

In the words of John Adams, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

The attitude of, "Who cares?" allowed the deaths of millions of innocents in Nazi concentration camps and more than 40 million in American abortion mills.

Who cares? I do.

59 posted on 01/29/2004 7:37:12 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: cpforlife.org
>AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION

If Kerry does not become president then this is not a problem. Solution: Make sure Kerry loses the election.

60 posted on 01/29/2004 7:37:43 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: cpforlife.org
Dear cpforlife.org,

"Can John Kerry return to faithful Catholicism?"

Sure, it's possible.

Will he?

I'm not holding my breath.


sitetest
61 posted on 01/29/2004 7:38:02 AM PST by sitetest (But we should try to remember to pray for him and Chappaquiddick Ted, anyway.)
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To: cookcounty
You have to be pretty "weird and twisted" to be a Dem politician.
62 posted on 01/29/2004 7:40:28 AM PST by goodnesswins (For those Voting Dem/Constitution Party/Libertarian - I guess it's easier than using your brain.)
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To: AppyPappy
Dear AppyPappy,

Obtaining a declaration for one's marriage in the Catholic Church does not make one's children from that marriage illegitimate.

A declaration of nullity merely states that the marriage, though possibly legal in the eyes of the state (and thus legitimating children that issued forth), is not of a sacramental quality. It does not sufficiently reflect the marriage of Christ and His Bride, the Church.


sitetest
63 posted on 01/29/2004 7:41:19 AM PST by sitetest
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To: cpforlife.org
My guess is that Kerry would respond by creating the Church of England America.

And maybe taking a few more wives and lopping off their heads...

64 posted on 01/29/2004 7:44:14 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: Barnacle; CAtholic Family Association; Askel5; All
A thought from a recent past president of the
Federation of Americans waiting to be born:

"Abortion? I am all for it…
for “certain undesirable organizations”

"Abort N.O.W., NARAL, and Planned Parenthood!
Abort Roe v Wade and all “laws” that allow the
MURDER of my unborn friends!"

"Life is Sacred from the moment of conception!"

Click here to read a press release from the current president of the
Federation of Americans waiting to be born.

65 posted on 01/29/2004 7:44:17 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cpforlife.org; dansangel
he presents himself both as a staunchly pro-choice politician and as a practicing Catholic

Ok, John it's time to pick, one you can only have one..

I am a believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic

Sorry, his beliefs are not consistent with the church, he needs more practice. Maybe he can get some pointers from his buddy Ted.

I think it should read "I am a non believing but still practicing Catholic, as long as I can get away with it"

66 posted on 01/29/2004 7:45:44 AM PST by .45MAN ("I am what I am because of what I am")
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To: cpforlife.org
Could Kerry become the first President to be denied Communion?

Nope!! This ain't going to happen...

67 posted on 01/29/2004 7:47:01 AM PST by .45MAN ("I am what I am because of what I am")
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To: cynicom
If you do not wish to "push your views" on others, then don't vote and don't run for public office and don't work for the government.

It's that simple.

68 posted on 01/29/2004 7:47:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Diddle E. Squat
IMO--That was done by the 7 demon-justices of "Roe"

Their worship service is child dismemberment in abortion holocaust chambers.
69 posted on 01/29/2004 7:49:32 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: JohnnyZ
I'm no expert on cannon law. But, it is my understanding that Bishops are given a great deal of autonomy over their diocese in this and many other such matters.

This explains why you may see a diocese with multiple sex abuse charges where the dioceses surrounding it may be virtually scandal free.

I am blessed to live in a great diocese and pray to hear a pronouncement to this effect from my bishop soon.

70 posted on 01/29/2004 7:50:47 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: .45MAN
We need to work extra-hard to make sure that does NOT happen!!

The numbers below speak for themselves.

As a Catholic I am disgusted to have to say that statistically, had more Catholics voted in the 2000 presidential election, the pro-abortion candidate - Algore would have won. Worse still a majority of "Catholics" voted for Klintoon both times.

- 2000 Presidential Election -

Source: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html (Note: The above chart was constructed using data from the listed source.) Half of the people who voted are aged 18-44, and eighty percent claim to be Christian.

All in the 18-44 group were in school since Roe v. Wade, and could have received a Pro-Life education .

71 posted on 01/29/2004 7:55:59 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Hopefully, we will already have hand delivered this petition to the Pope long before the elections this fall. We are currently collating several reams of documentation that we sent to 36 bishops and their (lack of) action against these politicians in their flocks causing grave public scandal, and making print and CD copies of the documentation for media distribution.

(That reminds me, I need to make sure my passport is up to date.)

72 posted on 01/29/2004 7:56:10 AM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: sitetest; AppyPappy
Obtaining a declaration = Obtaining a declaration of nullity

Sorry for the omission.
73 posted on 01/29/2004 7:58:01 AM PST by sitetest
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To: .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
BUMP-PING
74 posted on 01/29/2004 7:59:34 AM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Barnacle
I'm no expert on cannon law. But, it is my understanding that Bishops are given a great deal of autonomy over their diocese in this and many other such matters. 70 posted on 01/29/2004 7:50:47 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)

That's basically correct. There is the Vatican document on Catholics in political life which outlines the moral principles which must guide Catholics on issues of human life. Technically,as I understand it, the issue regarding Communion is one of "discipline" and at the discretion of bishops to determine. What seems to be going on is "collegiality" - individual bishops consulting with one another on how they understand the issue. It's clear that someone who is involved in propaganda and political campaigns to promote abortion is no longer a Catholic in good standing. And he or she should not be receiving Holy Communion while engaged in the public scandal of promoting grave evil - the murder of the unborn. Now, finally, some bishops appear ready to enforce this. Or, at least, make it known that that is the policy in effect in their diocese. We shall have to wait and see whether priests and bishops actually take the next step and deny such pro-abortion Catholics (that sounds horrible doesn't it?)Communion at actual Masses.

One positive effect of this will be that it will make clear which bishops are truly and courageously Catholic. That will be good for the Church and good for the world.

75 posted on 01/29/2004 8:09:02 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Republican Red; cpforlife.org; camas; petitfour
Who did Jackie O divorce?

Jackie's problem is that Onassis' first wife was still alive when they married. It was his divorce, not hers, but still the marriage was adulterous. IIRC.

76 posted on 01/29/2004 8:11:05 AM PST by pbear8 (no complaining...Thanks be to God)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
So your going to Rome then? great! FWIW I've had Petition to Interdict or Excommunicate Culture of Death "Catholics" and CAtholic Family Association as links for 4+ years. I'll be happy to make a special announcement/link on my home pages when you have your presentation ready.
77 posted on 01/29/2004 8:12:27 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: sitetest
I don't want to hear the Catholics condemn divorce ever again.
78 posted on 01/29/2004 8:12:32 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cpforlife.org; cynicom
cynicom, please see:

http://cpforlife.org/culture_of_life.htm#andrew
79 posted on 01/29/2004 8:13:25 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Barnacle
The other positive effect will be that it will become manifestly clear to John Kerry (and everyone else) that you cannot pretend to be a Catholic while supporting the abortion holocaust.
80 posted on 01/29/2004 8:14:01 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: cpforlife.org

Click On The Picture

81 posted on 01/29/2004 8:15:09 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: AppyPappy
Dear AppyPappy,

"I don't want to hear the Catholics condemn divorce ever again."

We'd be happy not to. However, it is Jesus who does the condemning.

But if I may ask, why the hostility?


sitetest
82 posted on 01/29/2004 8:22:24 AM PST by sitetest
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Thanks for your input on the question.

BTW, I'm to see you post anything remotely absurd.
83 posted on 01/29/2004 8:23:30 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: hardhead
Here's an earlier article regarding Daschle...it's starting...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895800/posts

...This year, on January 16, Bishop Carlson received additional ammunition for his discussions with Daschle when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger's office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued in Rome a "Doctrinal Note" on Catholics in political life. "A well-formed Christian conscience," the note declared, "does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals."

The Doctrinal Note marks at least the beginning of the end of the Vatican's toleration of what the pope's biographer George Weigel has called "Cuomoism" in the American Church: the effort to finesse abortion by declaring oneself personally opposed but politically supportive of laws allowing abortion. Catholics have a "duty to be morally coherent," the Doctrinal Note declares, and the Catholic fight on the life issues--abortion, euthanasia, and cloning--is not some merely prudential question, to be decided by political give and take. The Catholic Church doesn't take political positions--except when politics intrudes into something, like the right to life, that ought to be beyond the power of politicians.

84 posted on 01/29/2004 8:23:36 AM PST by in the Arena (1st Lt. James W. Herrick, Jr., - MIA - Laos - 27 October 69 "Fire Fly 33")
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To: sitetest
That was a divorce. They just call it something different.
85 posted on 01/29/2004 8:23:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cpforlife.org
So your going to Rome then? great!

Possibly, if I can afford to accompany Tim Chichester when the time comes. We're working on getting the petition as well as this Canon Law change request (for which there is ample precedent) directly to the Pope:

WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs request the following relief: That Pope John Paul II, Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church take jurisdiction of this petition. Part 1 That Canon 1398 be changed to read: "A person who willfully enables an abortion or euthanization incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. An elected or appointed official who willfully votes for legislation enabling abortion, euthanasia or same-sex unions, or who publicly propagandizes for or promotes abortion, euthanasia or same-sex unions, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. Canon 915 shall be applied to such public individuals."

86 posted on 01/29/2004 8:24:42 AM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: AppyPappy

Bastardize you're children you have.

87 posted on 01/29/2004 8:26:15 AM PST by Rebelbase ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: Rebelbase
your. D'oh!
88 posted on 01/29/2004 8:26:47 AM PST by Rebelbase ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: Barnacle
It would be howlingly absurd to let Kerry slither into the White House WITHOUT being disciplined in some way for his culture of death policies. Kerry promotes grave evil shamelessly. As do his fellow liberals. Bishops, called to represent Christ, MUST defend innocent life. Even if that requires taking heat from the liberal media and missing out on a few celebrity parties and photo-ops. Catholic support for abortion must end. Either those promoting the grievous crime must repent and reform or...they must leave.

Kerry is really quite arrogant and pompous. There is something quite demonic about that. Either he is spiritually retarded or he himself is evil.

89 posted on 01/29/2004 8:34:26 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: JohnnyZ
Do you know if that is true? There is nothing wrong with him going to Mass,in fact,that is the right thing to do.
90 posted on 01/29/2004 8:35:02 AM PST by saradippity
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To: AppyPappy
I don't want to hear the Catholics condemn divorce ever again.

You'll have to plug your ears, then.

You'll also have to redact your Bible. But that's your problem, not mine.

91 posted on 01/29/2004 8:35:59 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: cpforlife.org
I'll be happy to make a special announcement/link on my home pages when you have your presentation ready.

Thanks, we will definitely take you up on that offer!

92 posted on 01/29/2004 8:40:13 AM PST by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Texas Jack
Jack,

Talk about the "enemy within"! I knew he was a rat but this is a valuable reference I had not seen!

It's very sad how a combat hero can sink so very low.

Thanks!
93 posted on 01/29/2004 8:41:36 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The defense and promotion of LIFE is not the ministry of a few but the responsibility of ALL.)
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To: cpforlife.org
BTTT!
94 posted on 01/29/2004 8:42:22 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AppyPappy
With two bastard children from his first marriage that wasn't a marriage in the eyes of the church.

They annulled a marriage that produced children?

Wow. The Church has changed from when I took religion class. How did they justify that?

95 posted on 01/29/2004 8:42:43 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
Electable?

Maybe we need to start broadcasting that he is Catholic! LOL!
96 posted on 01/29/2004 8:43:23 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Just mythoughts
Kerry is a Catholic in Name Only CINO!
97 posted on 01/29/2004 8:44:11 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: saradippity
Do you know if that is true?

Turns out Kerry requested an annulment in '97 and it was denied, or more likely it didn't even get to the stage where it would be denied.

There is nothing wrong with him going to Mass,in fact,that is the right thing to do.

Maybe. But if he disbelieves so much Catholic teaching, one wonders where he stands on other matters of doctrine, whether he can recite the Creed in good faith, etc. That much, at least, is between Kerry, God, and his priest/confessor.

98 posted on 01/29/2004 8:44:12 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: in the Arena; NYer; Maximilian; narses
The Doctrinal Note marks at least the beginning of the end of the Vatican's toleration of what the pope's biographer George Weigel has called "Cuomoism" in the American Church: the effort to finesse abortion by declaring oneself personally opposed but politically supportive of laws allowing abortion.

Cuomoism. Sounds creepy. Is Cuomo still slithering around?

99 posted on 01/29/2004 8:44:37 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: cpforlife.org
I doubt very much if Kerry will care whether he is denied communion. He doesn't seem like a very religious man, anyway. The man has no deep convictions of any kind, much like Clinton, the only thing that he believes in is himself.
100 posted on 01/29/2004 8:46:56 AM PST by Eva
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