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What's Happening To Rush Should Worry Us All
The Tampa Tribune ^ | Jan 31, 2004 | Editorial

Posted on 01/30/2004 6:34:50 AM PST by AlwaysLurking

What's Happening To Rush Should Worry Us All

Published: Jan 31, 2004

R ush Limbaugh is under investigation for doctor-shopping to sustain his prescription drug habit. Last week Palm Beach County prosecutors released confidential information showing that the conservative radio host initiated plea negotiations but failed to cut a deal.

Without having charged him with anything, they cast the suspicion of guilt over Limbaugh by revealing that he was willing to bargain.

Whether you love him or hate him, what's happening to Limbaugh is scary. Negotiations for a possible plea agreement are generally thought to be confidential. And they should be. Without a good-faith belief that such preliminary conversations will remain confidential, no defendant would engage in them and the justice system would slow to a crawl.

Think, too, of how such information could taint prospective jurors: If they hear that someone considered a plea bargain, they may well begin their deliberations with a presumption of guilt, not innocence.

Prosecutors said they sought and received advice from The Florida Bar and the Attorney General's Office and learned that they were obliged to make the letters public.

But both the Bar and Attorney General Charlie Crist's general counsel, an expert on public records law, say they were misrepresented.

``It seems to me that the purpose in contacting me about this issue may not have been to obtain impartial advice on an open government issue, but rather to use a part of our conversation to justify your office's decision that the documents should be released,'' wrote Assistant Attorney General Pat Gleason.

``This is disappointing to me personally and professionally.''

Added Bar President Miles A. McGrane III: ``I don't think the Bar or any organization provides services as a straw man to hide behind. In our opinion, misstatements were made about our role.'`

Prosecutors do not have to turn over investigative records until an inquiry is complete. Likewise, they should not turn over preliminary conversations about a plea bargain unless the deal is done.

That they would so willingly release sensitive documents in this case gives credence to the notion that Limbaugh is being singled out for harsher treatment because of his politics and celebrity.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: rushlimbaugh

1 posted on 01/30/2004 6:34:51 AM PST by AlwaysLurking
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To: AlwaysLurking
Laws to liberals do not mean a thing. They will go all out to bring down someone who does not beat their drum.
2 posted on 01/30/2004 6:39:05 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: AlwaysLurking
The only obvious suspicion here is the intention and motivation of the prosecutor.

These people are gleeful at the notion of incarcerating Rush Limbaugh.

Won't happen, ever. If they were successful in obtaining a verdict for anything Rush would be pardoned on the spot.

The actions of the prosecution keep the anger of the conservatives simmering. This is a national effect, not a local political issue.

The idiots in the prosecution are doing more to damage their own efforts than any conservative group ever could!
3 posted on 01/30/2004 6:42:50 AM PST by Pylot
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To: AlwaysLurking
"Last week Palm Beach County prosecutors released confidential information showing that the conservative radio host initiated plea negotiations but failed to cut a deal. "

Since when? I have heard THOUSANDS of times of people entering in plea negotiations on the news. Hell most recently was Andrew Fastow and his wife. Just another o poor little Rush article. Sickening.
4 posted on 01/30/2004 6:44:51 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
Your pet pooch actually cares about hearing "bad dog" when he misbehaves. This bunch of scheming little harridans needs stronger medicine.

I believe that formal censure by the bar association for gross misconduct is called for, based on this deliberate attempt to cover up contemptible, improper behavior under color of law. Such a censure would be ammunition in any future political contest, and appropriately so.
5 posted on 01/30/2004 7:04:07 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: AlwaysLurking
First it was "money laudering" then it was "illegal drug use". Now it seems like we are down to "doctor shopping". These charges are laughable. There has to be something political behind this. Do I smell the Clinton's, working through the local DA, out to destroy Rush in a presidential election year? Nah, couldn't be.
6 posted on 01/30/2004 7:07:54 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Piquaboy
Who's kidding who here? There is nothing different with regards to the big picture between what is now happening to Limbaugh, and what happens to criminal defendants all over the country on a regular basis. This stuff became standard M.O. for prosecutors when the War on Difficult-to-Tax Drugs was successfully exempted from the Constitution.

On the one hand, what is happening to Rush is wrong; on the other hand, he did neither himself nor the nation any favors by remaining silent for years and years on this issue when he was in a unique position from which to condemn these unjust and unconstitutional practices.

So it's hard to feel sorry for him, really. With the amount of political capital he had, he could have been a major, major force in getting these injustices in our justice system corrected. Now, of course, there's little he can do without being rightfully labeled hypocrite.
7 posted on 01/30/2004 7:31:24 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: AlwaysLurking
Negotiations for a possible plea agreement are generally thought to be confidential. And they should be. Without a good-faith belief that such preliminary conversations will remain confidential, no defendant would engage in them and the justice system would slow to a crawl.

This is commonsense even to those not part of the judicial system. That a prosecutor's office would reveal these letters, given that plea negotiations are part of their jobs implies willful disregard for the privacy of Limbaugh and woeful disregard for the law. That they misrepresented the The Florida Bar and the Attorney General's Office, is tantamount to criminal behavior.

Heads should be rolling soon.

Whether you like Rush or not (and I think we know which side of that argument AbsoluteJustice falls), treating him differently from any other defendant, particularly a first offender, is an infringement of equal protection clause of the 14th Amendement to the Constitution.

From the Legal Information Institute at Cornell (http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/equal_protection.html):

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights.

8 posted on 01/30/2004 7:52:32 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Piquaboy
You're correct. Although some on this board would have you believe that releasing plea bargain agreements happen "all the time", the liberals do seem to reserve it for those they hate.
9 posted on 01/30/2004 7:54:37 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: AlwaysLurking
What's happening to Rush is what happens to everyone who speaks out and creates waves. The problem with Rush is that he provided the other side with ammo to go after him. As a high profile talk-show host, and being despised by many on the left, Rush should have known that any opportunity to take him down would be pounced on by his enemies. He gave them the opportunity and they jumped on it.

I've been railroaded twice in my career. Once was after speaking out at a meeting I attended while on my own time. I actively spoke out against the changes that were going to be made in our department, and questioned the Commissioner on his failure to know anything about the facility he was visiting. He was booed and over 1,000 people walked out on him. Within the next week, I was brought up on charges by the department for an argument I'd had with an inmate. The incident itself wasn't out of the ordinary. It happens all the time in prisons. But, because I had embarrassed the Superintendent and his lackeys, I was made an example of. They wanted my job, but they only got a months pay.

The other time I was disciplined was for bringing my laptop computer into work a few times, and going online with it. Again, they wanted my job, but got a $3,000 fine and a year's probation.

Now, I realize that in both cases I gave the big-wigs the opportunity to burn me. You can't be outspoken or a wave-maker without expecting the other side to look for any chance they can get to go after you.

The incidents I mentioned took place 10 years apart. As I said before, the argument I had with the inmate is an occurrence that happens every day in prisons. In most cases, these arguments never get a second glance, but in my case it did, and only because I had ticked someone at the top off. The laptop incident could have probably been overlooked by the administrators. After all, other officers and supervisors had been caught with televisions in their offices and received no punishment whatsoever. In my situation, the use of my laptop spanned a few days. In the case of the televisions, they had been used continually by the staff over months and years. I used the facility phone line to connect to the internet. They used the facility cable system to get programming. My first reaction to the lack of discipline for these individuals who were caught with the TV's was: "Maybe I should have brought a TV in instead of my laptop." However, I never made a stink over it, paid the fine (it took three years), and never looked back.

The point I am trying to make is that there is always someone out there in the position to burn you. If you tick people off, and you put yourself in the position to be burned by those people, you will get burned. Nobody's squeeky clean. I gave these people the ammo to go after me. And Rush delivered himself up on a silver platter for the DA in Florida.

10 posted on 01/30/2004 7:59:18 AM PST by mass55th
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Since when? I have heard THOUSANDS of times of people entering in plea negotiations on the news. Hell most recently was Andrew Fastow and his wife. Just another o poor little Rush article. Sickening.

One minor difference - Fastow and his wife were indicted. That means they were actually charged with a crime. So far, Rush has not been charged with anything.

It's very different when there are charges pending, then everything is in the public record, but until charges are filed, any discussions should be private.

11 posted on 01/30/2004 9:00:36 AM PST by par4
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Since when? I have heard THOUSANDS of times of people entering in plea negotiations on the news. Hell most recently was Andrew Fastow and his wife. Just another o poor little Rush article. Sickening.

Perhaps you would grace us with some details. In these thousands of cases, who released the information?

Secondly, has anyone notice in this that Rush has never offered to plea guilty to a crime?

12 posted on 01/30/2004 9:04:46 AM PST by js1138
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Do I smell the Clinton's, working through the local DA, out to destroy Rush in a presidential election year?

I was wondering, what smell was...the stench is REALLY AWFUL..and I'm in Ky...and with the prevailing winds....clear 'round the world.

13 posted on 01/30/2004 9:06:15 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: mass55th
And part of the reason is that he chose to live in the hornets nest, that liberal Democrat-infested place known as Palm Beach County.
14 posted on 01/30/2004 9:07:44 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum
re: And part of the reason is that he chose to live in the hornets nest, that liberal Democrat-infested place known as Palm Beach County)))

Same thought occurred to me when it all started--that even in NYC he'd have more breaks cut him. This was the crookedest spot in the US during the 2000 election.

15 posted on 01/30/2004 9:31:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: par4
Should be is the key word but nowhere does it say it is illegal.

In addition this is still interesting news because if he IS doing this then there is some admission of guilt involved. Much like M.J. paying off that kid to hush him up.

This will be interesting nonetheless
16 posted on 01/30/2004 9:55:44 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: js1138
I gave an example. plus just listen to Court TV, all the time there is mention of plea agreements to thwart a possible conviction.

17 posted on 01/30/2004 9:56:44 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: js1138
Drug court does not require admission of a crime. It is a PRE-trial program. The only requirement is an admission that help for addiction is wanted.
18 posted on 01/30/2004 10:00:38 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
It makes if all suspect.

Even if the SA dropps the Rush case completly, the FL Bar complaint continues. The SA can't stop it unless he puts pressure on cronies at the bar or resigns and accepts a penalty.

The review committee should not be one from south florida as a matter of objectivity.

BTWW: The Annual FL Bar meeting in in Palm Beach this year. A prime schmoozing opportunty for this public figure.
19 posted on 01/30/2004 10:05:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Mamzelle
FL has a constitution prohibition against state income tax. Good for his level of income.

Your home is 100% protected from judgment up to 1/2 acre in a municipality, 120 acres outside a municipality.

No snow. No winter.
20 posted on 01/30/2004 10:08:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Have driven through Fla a few times. I was fascinated by those giant screen covers over the backyards, they looked expensive to install and maintain, but were on at least half of the homes I saw from the highway--you must have some serious bugs.
21 posted on 01/30/2004 10:11:32 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I gave an example. plus just listen to Court TV, all the time there is mention of plea agreements to thwart a possible conviction.

So, after charges have been filed, after the jury has been selected, and after the trial has started, sometimes we hear about plea deals.

You don't think that is any different than talking about a plea deal by someone who has not been charged with anything?

22 posted on 01/30/2004 10:12:03 AM PST by Dianna
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To: AbsoluteJustice
this is pre-filing. Soliciting a guilty plea is probative of the ultimate charges.

If it gets to court TV the Jury is seated and the Jury is not privy to the plea negotiations.

The particulary troubliing fact here is that the SA portrays these letters as a unique. Such exchanges are routine. Such exchanges are routinely kept confidential. As in always.

23 posted on 01/30/2004 10:15:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Sorry, but there's no admission of guilt here; as I see it, this is a case of an individual attempting to save himself a huge (Hugh??) pile of cash. Were I in a similar position (under attack for something that I wasn't guiltly of, but with enough circumstantial evidence for an overzealous prosecutor to take to a grand jury), I would look for the cheapest and easiest way out.

In other words, since Rush is purportedly off the meds and under rehabilitative therapy, his best and cheapest course of action is to make a deal - I'll stay off the meds and you leave me alone. Since the procesecutor doesn't want to agree to this, then off to trial we go - at $600 and hour for Roy Black. I'd think that saving the money is better than a phyrric victory that costs millions to prove innocence.

24 posted on 01/30/2004 10:19:10 AM PST by par4
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To: longtermmemmory
--Such exchanges are routinely kept confidential. As in always.--

Whether its Releasing confidential plea negotiations, Filibustering judges or viciously criticizing a sitting president in time of war.

That's what democrats specialize in, destroying traditions and sinking to new lows before unthought of.

25 posted on 01/30/2004 10:44:18 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: par4
Take rush out of this and make it an ordianry 100% innocent citizen with ordinary income and has been arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. If they are offered an opportunity where they can sit in drug rehab class and the case is dropped. No need for discover, no criminal record, just drop a urine on occasion. It is a guarantee that does not appear very often in the court system.

If you fight the case it will cost at least 15 thousand. So what does a mother, father, or just a working person do?
(actually that is retorical, of course they take the drug court intervention in order to get the guarantee case dropped.)
26 posted on 01/30/2004 11:23:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
What amazes me is the plethora of Morons who still call this a PLEA BARGAIN negotiation.

A Plea bargain is when the defendent agrees to Cop a Certain Plea in return for a lowered sentence.

Hello! Knock knock! No chagres have been files, and if people would take the time to read the paperwork --there WAS NO PLEA DISCUSSION!!! The entire thing was a "hey tell you what, How about Rush goes to Rehab and you guys DROP THE CHARGES!"

Anyone calling it a PLEA Negotiation is being disengenuous and using this to smear Rush or furthur thier own agenda.

27 posted on 01/30/2004 11:31:22 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: mass55th
The point I am trying to make is that there is always someone out there in the position to burn you.

It happens in schools, colleges, churches, communities, and on Internet Conservtive Forums. I have learned that when I speak out and make people mad, to do as you have done - take my medicine and live to fight another day.

I don't care what people think of me. I believe what I believe and my enemies can go pound sand.

28 posted on 01/30/2004 11:31:36 AM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond2004 Conservatives: band together for our own protection against Pubs &Dems)
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To: longtermmemmory
My point exactly - Anyone who hears a prosecutor making loud noises about multiple (I believe that the number was 10) charges would be a fool not to try and make a deal to make it go away, especially if the "punishment" was having to stay straight anyway.

But again, if that person was actually innocent and a "deal" like that couldn't be made, then he would have to decide whether he could afford to fight all the charges. In Rush's case, I would think that he would decide to spend to money to prove his innocence when the prosecutor balked at dropping the entire matter. A person with less available funding might take a conviction to save the money, while another might use his every last nickle to keep his integrety intact.

29 posted on 01/30/2004 11:43:57 AM PST by par4
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To: longtermmemmory
BUT it is NOT LAW

If it were I would be in support.

30 posted on 01/30/2004 12:20:51 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: par4
Why do you support this assesment?

If Rushbo fans are so in support of him and are harping proclaiming his innocence then why are said such fans supporting a plea bargain.

Remeber Rush said he did not doctor shop. So if the prosecutor is attempting to bring charges to such a crime why is Rush not defending himself to the utter end. This has nothing to do with money. rush makes millions a year. I suspect he doesn't want people to hear the evidence to save face and to save himself from being proven a hypocrit. To me him plea bargaining shows that this man is doing anything he can to supress possible evidence. this would in effect lower him from his all high moral authority perch he has placed himself upon.

Money vs. someone word

Sorry but this doesn't cut the cheese. If you have nothing to hide and you are a man to your word then money is no object.

People call M.J.'s buyout of a child a hush hush situation and bag him.

Why is there a double standard here?
31 posted on 01/30/2004 12:26:13 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
What's Happening To Rush Suspected Drug Users Should Worry Us All

I wonder if they were so concerned when the target wasn't Rush ?

They should have been.

32 posted on 01/30/2004 12:40:33 PM PST by jimt
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To: AbsoluteJustice
In FL the Drug Court intervention program IS THE LAW! Duh! I have been saying that from DAY ONE!!! The media is totally missing the existance of drug court. Especially one particular CNN employee reporter out of miami who should know intimatly better about the program's existance.

Thousands of people have recieved treatment instead of going to trial (or plea bargain) through the Drug Court intervention program.
33 posted on 01/30/2004 10:13:31 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: jimt
It should worry anyone who comes into contact with the court system. The conduct of the SA shows that the SA has "a" bias. If this were Al Frankin would the SA have bothered? If this was the head of the local Democrat Party? Republican Party? Democrat Politician? Republican Politician?

There is a reason a public official lawyer is held to the standard of "the appearance of imporpriety is impropriety."
Thus the SA's conduct which does just "appear" improper is enough to be an ethics violation alone.
34 posted on 01/30/2004 10:19:58 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Mamzelle
not that expesinve and low maintenace. Not so good during a huricane. The also keep leaves and bugs out of the pools beneth them. They are also considered a "pool fence" to keep children from drowning by accident.
35 posted on 01/30/2004 10:50:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I have read all your posts on this thread, and have noticed all kinds of self-righteous hatred and contempt for Rush, yet not one single comment about Palm Beach SA Kirscher's behavior. So I guess it's perfectly okay by you that this guy is allowed to commit all kinds of ethical violations and (apparently) deliberately misrepresent the communications of the Florida Bar and the Florida Attorney General in regards to this case.

Believe me when I tell you that the Florida Bar Association is no friend of conservatives - like most state bars, they primarily exist to protect the little racket the trial lawyers have going on, so their politics tend to be quite far left. For them to so openly repudiate Kirscher tells me that he has stepped on it big time. Privately, the Bar is probably furious that Kirscher forced them to take this stand. But he has behaved so egregiously, thanks to his open lust to make his Democratic political bones off Limbaugh's carcass, that they had no choice but to act.

Looks to me like you're engaging in a classic "ends justify the means" argument, which is very popular with leftists and the legalize-everything-under-the-sun crowd. Another tactic popular with you guys is to attack Rush for using a "Kennedy lawyer" to get him off - I guess he's just supposed to just sit there and let an overzealous prosecutor abuse the legal system to stick him with a sentence that is way more severe than one that would be handed out to some Joe Sixpack with no prior criminal history in the same situation, for the sole purpose of making that prosecutor the darling of the media and the liberal glitterati.

As much as I indulge in lawyer-bashing when I read about some shyster making millions because some twit dumps hot coffee in her lap, I do recognize that when you need a lawyer, you really really need one. And to "stand on principle" and refuse to engage the services of one or to refuse to put up any kind of defense is perfectly fine, as long as the "principle" you're standing on is sheer stupidity.

As a first-time offender with no criminal background, Drug Court , along with some community service, is an appropriate punishment for Rush. That's what you would get if you were popped for the same thing. He surely doesn't deserve to spend five years in state prison as someone's jail pump, your feelings and wishes aside.

36 posted on 01/30/2004 11:29:32 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: AlwaysLurking
Sorry, but he has no one to blame but himself.
37 posted on 01/30/2004 11:37:52 PM PST by Penner
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To: CFC__VRWC
"I have read all your posts on this thread, and have noticed all kinds of self-righteous hatred and contempt for Rush"

So now its my fault Rush doped it up? Me self righteous? Not in the least bit! Then again I don't have a mike 4 hours a day espousing how I am above a soap box. Rush brought this upon himself noone else did this to him.

"yet not one single comment about Palm Beach SA Kirscher's behavior. So I guess it's perfectly okay by you that this guy is allowed to commit all kinds of ethical violations and (apparently) deliberately misrepresent the communications of the Florida Bar and the Florida Attorney General in regards to this case."

I do not agree with everything he is doing by any stretch I am just so sick and tired of the ooo whoa is me defense Rush has built for himself. When all you do all day is place yourself on high and point out the faults of others all day and proclaim to be a "moral authority" over all what do you expect? Sympathy? Cmon get real. This man was found to be a doper, abusing drugs. Next you will tell me that it is a "disease" If Kirscher's behavior was unethical and or illegal then he will be censored but he has not.

"Believe me when I tell you that the Florida Bar Association is no friend of conservatives"

Agree

I hate lawyers as well.

"Another tactic popular with you guys is to attack Rush for using a "Kennedy lawyer" to get him off - I guess he's just supposed to just sit there and let an overzealous prosecutor abuse the legal system to stick him with a sentence that is way more severe than one that would be handed out to some Joe Sixpack with no prior criminal history in the same situation, for the sole purpose of making that prosecutor the darling of the media and the liberal glitterati."

You guys? So because I am in disagreement I am "you guys" liberal? Not in the least bit. I can't stand pompous, self-righteous people who are hypocrits. If Rush is soooo innocent as he proclaims then he would fight this to the end and clear his name. But no he is plea barganing. I think more people are pissed that it has been found that he is plea bargaining then fighting this. If I were a Rush fan I would be pissed. Someone crying on a mic for 4 hours about how they are innocent and fighting in the court of public opinion then squirm his way to fit a deal instead of fighting. This is what upset me the most. Sure its not right releasing that information and this is why Rushbots are pissed because he has been found trying to squirm his way out again...hush hush

"As a first-time offender with no criminal background, Drug Court , along with some community service, is an appropriate punishment for Rush. That's what you would get if you were popped for the same thing. He surely doesn't deserve to spend five years in state prison as someone's jail pump, your feelings and wishes aside."

I agree he should not do jail time. See we agree on more than you know. If he did commit the crime it is petty. But he still needs to apologize to his fans on this one. Instead of fighting the fight like he does behind a mic everyday, proclaiming to be a fighter, he sure is trying to get outta this one. Then again "he didn't doctor shop"



38 posted on 01/31/2004 12:12:18 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: longtermmemmory
I don't think Rush should spend a day behind bars.
39 posted on 01/31/2004 12:14:00 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I think rush handled the admission of his problem best that I have seen. None of this hollyweird stuff which has a celebrity basically demonstrating you can enjoy the drug, and jet set lifestyle, have fun, and theeeeeen when you get older suddelny find sanity and tell everyone else not to have the same fun you did.

Rush said he did not want to be an example, he said it was his responsibility alone. What did anyone else expect? He does not owe me anything. Rush's fame is controlled by the dial, one turn and its gone. Run over. As far as PR is concerned, the admission is done, over, and finished.

Now the "whoopass" the SA is about to recieve is goooing to be fuuuuuuun. I see a future need to expand the drug court intervention program. I see the ethics rules making the SA's actions crystal clear a violation. I see Rush's program even more of a nightmare for Democrats thanks to this failed effort. I see Al whatshisname trying to garner sympathy by admitting his drug problem in the 70's, again and again.

That which does not kill me only makes me stronger.
40 posted on 01/31/2004 2:08:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
" I see Rush's program even more of a nightmare for Democrats thanks to this failed effort."
Most everyday Ameicans can care less and don't see the world left vs. right, they care about beans on the table.

We are in the minority.
41 posted on 01/31/2004 8:16:09 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I don't think that is as true as it once was. I do believe that people are at least starting to see the connection between the acts of the elected an their lives. I trace it back to the original school board battles where parents started to argue over just what was being taught to their children. Tip O'neil said all politics is local.

People already have started mublings that the Democrat primaries are pointless and are tuning them out. Democrats promissing the same old same old.

People's radar gets peaked on two big issues, "what is the government going to take" and "keep away from my children". Kerry has already promissed to take form your wallet, Bush is unlikely.

I submit we are a majority of people who pay attention. Some may pay more attention to diffrent issues but we are paying attention. Rush's 20 million listeners are those that listen to the radio, that is no small effort especially when you consider a good portion of those are people who do not agree with him. Why did even the local news put Rush on their news cases. If he was a fringe it was not news.

Why was CNN making simulated stories from miami, using file footage, for something in miami just to have Rush's face in their airwaves. People care. Rush = viewers. Why did CBS pull the reagans? Why did they make thereagans? People care and care much much more than they did.

Imagine a 1980 Reagan in today's media environment.

Why is the left trying to start "progressive radio"? Someone is paying attention.
42 posted on 01/31/2004 10:17:28 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: par4
additionally the actual documentation of the negotiations did not hit the airwaves.

Do we have the letter which outlines exactly what testimony is going to be offered in exchange whoe a particular plea? No of course not.

Will it be release eventually, yes of course. Just not today.
43 posted on 01/31/2004 10:26:17 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
I think Krischer needs to hear from us directly as opposed to thru Rush's site:

StateAttorney@sa15.state.fl.us


Anton
44 posted on 02/01/2004 4:20:12 PM PST by anton
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To: longtermmemmory
It should worry anyone who comes into contact with the court system.

Of course you're right. My point was that in the name of the WOsD, tremendous abuses have been taking place for many, many years. And that some who are worried about them in this specific case either ignored them or cheered them on when it was others.

45 posted on 02/02/2004 6:13:53 AM PST by jimt
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