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Bush’s War Stories Simply Don’t Fly
NY Observer ^ | January 31, 2004 | Joe Conason

Posted on 01/31/2004 7:07:00 AM PST by billorites

George W. Bush lied about his military service record. The lie can be found in his own 1999 campaign autobiography (as written by Karen Hughes), where he dramatically describes his experience as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

On page 34 of A Charge to Keep, Mr. Bush claims that, after learning to fly the F-102 fighter jet, he was turned down for Vietnam duty because "had not logged enough flight hours" to qualify for a combat assignment. Before going on to recall the "challenging moments" that involved close formation drills at night during poor weather, he adds: "I continued flying with my unit for the next several years."

In light of what journalists and other researchers have learned since the publication of Mr. Bush’s book, his account is unmistakably fraudulent.

The issue is again relevant because Michael Moore, the author and filmmaker who supports Wesley Clark’s Presidential campaign, recently impugned the President as a "deserter." During the final Democratic Presidential debate in New Hampshire, moderator Peter Jennings called Mr. Moore’s statement "a reckless charge not supported by the facts," and demanded that General Clark repudiate his celebrity backer.

As the ABC newsman may (or, more likely, may not) know, the facts about the President’s National Guard stint are complex, disputed and, in many respects, unflattering. To call him a "deserter" was wrong and inflammatory, even if Mr. Moore was joking, as he now insists. Although Mr. Bush may well have been absent without leave, he was never prosecuted for that offense, let alone desertion, and he eventually received an honorable discharge. But to suggest that the Bush record is beyond criticism, as Mr. Jennings did, is both misleading and biased. That bias reflects an enduring double standard on this topic that has protected Mr. Bush ever since he first declared his Presidential candidacy.

The facts, established by Boston Globe reporter Walter Robinson in 2000, explode the lyrical flights of fancy penned by Ms. Hughes.

George W. Bush graduated from Yale in June 1968. After his father’s influential friends contacted Texas Air National Guard officials, they awarded young George a safe berth in Houston’s famed "champagne unit," where sons of the Texas elite avoided Vietnam. His very special treatment included instant admission to flight training and an extraordinary commission as a second lieutenant. According to his former superiors, Mr. Bush performed admirably as a pilot while patrolling the coastal waters of the United States.

But in May 1972, only 22 months after he completed pilot training, he stopped flying. In August 1972, he failed to show up for his annual physical examination and was automatically grounded. According to The Times of London, a conservative newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch, Mr. Bush’s campaign spokesman said he knew that he would be suspended if he missed that physical.

He never flew a military aircraft again (or not until his flight-suit photo op last spring, when he briefly took the controls of an S-3B Viking jet before landing on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln). Instead, he left his Guard unit in Houston and went to Alabama to work in a Republican Senate campaign. He claims to have continued to serve in an Alabama Guard unit, but there is no evidence to support that assertion, and much contradictory evidence. The commanding officer of the Alabama Guard Unit told the Boston Globe that Mr. Bush never showed up for duty there. Nor is there any evidence that he sought duty in Vietnam.

In fact, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Bush skipped all duty for a full year, until April 1973. At that point, his two superior officers in Houston noted in writing in an official document: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report." They erroneously believed that he had been completing his duty in Alabama. Yet he somehow received an honorable discharge eight months before he completed his six-year commitment so that he could begin attending Harvard Business School.

As the Globe noted, the "champagne unit" and others like it back then displayed "a tendency to excuse shirking by those with political connections."

So Mr. Bush’s claim that he "continued flying with my unit for the next several years" is an unabashed falsehood. Yet the spotty coverage of his military record in the mainstream press—aside from the Globe investigation and similar efforts in the Dallas Morning News and the Los Angeles Times—elided that lie. Compare his soft treatment with the media scourging of Bill Clinton, who was held accountable during the 1992 campaign for every word he uttered about his draft record.

What the Jennings episode validates is not Mr. Bush’s strange military career, but the Bush method of press management. Treat journalists like vassals, with nicknames, cheek-pinching and—whenever they forget their place momentarily—sneering disdain. It works brilliantly.

You may reach Joe Conason via email at: jconason@observer.com.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; bushmilitaryrecord; bushversuskerry; bushvkerry; deserter; electionpresident; joeconason; kerry; kerrysservicerecord; nationalguard
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To: joesnuffy
"After his father’s influential friends contacted Texas Air National Guard officials, they
awarded young George a safe berth in Houston’s famed "champagne unit,"

Please take this class warfare act elsewhere!
51 posted on 01/31/2004 8:13:32 AM PST by Ramcat
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To: ChadGore
Bad Link. Here's the right link: http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/conason.asp
52 posted on 01/31/2004 8:14:25 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: TomB
Ok, thanks for the correction.
53 posted on 01/31/2004 8:14:30 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Bush is not a deserter. It's disgusting to see the 'RATS drag this crap out time and again. Unfortunately, every time "Bush" and "deserter" appears in a news story no matter how dismissive a little part of his support disappears. It sux.
54 posted on 01/31/2004 8:14:59 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: TomB
Granted. I am not, personally, critical of Bush's fitness as CIC or his patriotism or his record. I am interested in having ammo for debate.
55 posted on 01/31/2004 8:15:26 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: AHerald
Don't waste your time. Snuffy's been presented with the facts but chooses to snip at the ankles.
56 posted on 01/31/2004 8:15:31 AM PST by Ramcat
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To: mware
Geoarge Magazine also ran a great story to debunk the myth that Bush was a disserter.
57 posted on 01/31/2004 8:15:33 AM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: William McKinley
Listen I don't like Kerry one damn bit and if he gets the Rats nomination there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that I will vote for him. But he did serve with honor. Other then that, the man is a slime ball.
58 posted on 01/31/2004 8:16:56 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: AHerald
Flying the F-102 was anything but safe. It was considered one of the most dangerous planes to fly. From an old O-club song: "If you fly a 102, don't go up unless it's blue - if it feels one drop of rain, you'll have pieces - not a plane"
59 posted on 01/31/2004 8:18:12 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: billorites
George W. Bush lied about his military service record. The lie can be found in his own 1999 campaign autobiography (as written by Karen Hughes), where he dramatically describes his experience as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

On page 34 of A Charge to Keep, Mr. Bush claims that, after learning to fly the F-102 fighter jet, he was turned down for Vietnam duty because "had not logged enough flight hours" to qualify for a combat assignment. Before going on to recall the "challenging moments" that involved close formation drills at night during poor weather, he adds: "I continued flying with my unit for the next several years."

In light of what journalists and other researchers have learned since the publication of Mr. Bush’s book, his account is unmistakably fraudulent.

I'm kind of puzzled. Joe Conason publishs a piece on 01-31-2004 stating W lied about his military service record in a book oublished in November 1999. According to Joe one need only to have read to Page 34 in November 1999 to discover W's lie. Interesting that the VLWC was unable to utilize this information to prevent W from being elected. Nice try Joe but it just doesn't compute that you are making an issue of this in 2004 instead of in 2000.

60 posted on 01/31/2004 8:19:53 AM PST by hflynn
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To: jpsb
Kerry was in Vietnam?
61 posted on 01/31/2004 8:20:08 AM PST by petercooper (We did not have to prove Saddam had WMD, he had to prove he didn't.)
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To: Wolverine
Bullseye and thank you!

This is possibly even better than the NYT article since it is from George Magazine that JFK Jr. owned and edited. How could a good lefty overlook something that a gen-u-ine NY liberal and the sacred son of a fallen liberal saint had endorsed?

(I knew somebody would do the digging if I begged long enough. ;)
62 posted on 01/31/2004 8:21:52 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: billorites
If it's written by PravdABDNC it must be false. We can rest assured they will investigate Kerry's hero status with equal gusto.....RIIIIIIIIIIGHT! These liberals will be outraged by his role in killing of innocent children.

Pray for W and The Truth

63 posted on 01/31/2004 8:22:48 AM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY and Her (9-8) Flying Monkeys are In Flames!)
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To: backhoe
Excellent! This thread has been bookmarked and the stories will be downloaded for later use. Thanks much!
64 posted on 01/31/2004 8:23:30 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: billorites
"they" just don't get it, do they ?
65 posted on 01/31/2004 8:25:10 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: billorites
Joe Conason


Forgot to read the NY Times debunking this.
66 posted on 01/31/2004 8:25:16 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: mware
Does anyone have the picture of draft dodger X42 burning the American flag while in the USSR? If so, please post.
67 posted on 01/31/2004 8:26:22 AM PST by raisincane
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To: finnman69
Conason is a hate filled bastard who never lets facts interfere with his story.
68 posted on 01/31/2004 8:26:55 AM PST by zook
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Bush is the son of the elitest Bush family, he did what a lot of elitest sons did, joined the national guard. (National guard tickets were very hard to get during Vietnam.) So what, it is not a big deal. The election will not turn on Bush's honorable service record. It is a non-issue. Now his record as president is a much bigger problem. If I were you I would be thinking real hard on how can Bush win back the many, many conservatives that are currently ripping him to pieces in newspapers all acrross the country.
69 posted on 01/31/2004 8:27:07 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: TomB
A bronze star and a silver star may not be a Medal of Honor. But they're not chopped liver either.
70 posted on 01/31/2004 8:27:09 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
A bronze star and a silver star may not be a Medal of Honor. But they're not chopped liver either.

Agreed. But they aren't equivalent either.

71 posted on 01/31/2004 8:28:15 AM PST by TomB
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To: HostileTerritory
The closer one looks at Kerry, the uglier he gets.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11939

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11940
72 posted on 01/31/2004 8:28:18 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (Won't you please, won't you please, please won't you be my neighbor?)
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To: jpsb
Sorry, but I think you've got your facts a mite confused. Kerry didn't get a Medal of Honor. He holds the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. At least I should say that he holds somebodies medals. He made a public show of throwing them away as a repudiation of their merit. Your other prediction will remain to be seen.

73 posted on 01/31/2004 8:29:29 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: billorites
George W. Bush--Honorable Discharge. Case closed.
74 posted on 01/31/2004 8:29:45 AM PST by kabar
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To: jpsb
Bush is the son of the elitest Bush family, he did what a lot of elitest sons did, joined the national guard. (National guard tickets were very hard to get during Vietnam.)

Assuming that is correct, which, given your record, is suspect, why did he join the TANG?

75 posted on 01/31/2004 8:29:46 AM PST by TomB
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To: billorites
>> His very special treatment included instant admission to flight training and an extraordinary commission as a second lieutenant.

Anyone commissioned in the Army, including the NG branch of the Army, is given the rank of 2nd Lieutenant, the lowest commissioned rank. Duh!



76 posted on 01/31/2004 8:29:52 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: hflynn
Did you know that John Effn Kerry served in Vietnam..??
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064541/posts

Bush 'Desertion' Charge Debunked
NewsMax  | 1/24/04 | Limbacher

Did President Bush "desert" the military, as radical filmmaker Michael Moore insists he did?

Presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark suggested during New Hampshire's presidential debate Thursday night that the facts of whether Bush ran out on his National Guard unit in 1972 and 1973 are in dispute.

But in the months before the 2000 presidential election, the New York Times pretty much demolished this Democratic Party urban legend, a myth that first surfaced in its sister paper, the Boston Globe.

"For a full year, there is no record that Bush showed up for the periodic drills required of part-time guardsmen," the Globe insisted in May 2000, in a report Mr. Moore currently cites on his web site to rebut ABC newsman Peter Jennings' debate challenge to Clark that the story is "unsupported by the facts."

"I don't know whether [Moore's desertion charge] is supported by the facts or not," Clark replied "I've never looked at it."

The Times did, however, look at it, and found that Bush had indeed served during the part of the time the Globe had him AWOL - and later made up whatever time he missed after requesting permission for the postponement.

In July 2000 the Times noted that Bush's chief accuser in the Globe report, retired Gen. William Turnipseed, had begun to back way from his story that Bush never appeared for service during the time in question.

"In a recent interview," said the Times, "[Turnipseed] took a tiny step back, saying, 'I don't think he did, but I wouldn't stake my life on it." In fact, military records obtained by the Times showed that Turnipseed was wrong and that the Globe had flubbed the story.

"A review by The Times showed that after a seven-month gap, he appeared for duty in late November 1972 at least through July 1973," the paper noted on Nov. 3, 2000.

The Times explained:

"On Sept. 5, 1972, Mr. Bush asked his Texas Air National Guard superiors for assignment to the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery [Alabama] 'for the months of September, October and November,'" so Bush could manage the Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount.

"Capt. Kenneth K. Lott, chief of the personnel branch of the 187th Tactical Recon Group, told the Texas commanders that training in September had already occurred but that more training was scheduled for Oct. 7 and 8 and Nov. 4 and 5."

After the Bush AWOL story had percolated for months, Col. Turnipseed finally remembered another glitch in his story: the fact that National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter.

And, in fact - according to the Times - that's what Bush did.

"A document in Mr. Bush's military records," the paper said, "showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May."

The paper found corroboration for the document, noting, "The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10."

Yet another document obtained by the Times blew the Bush AWOL story out of the water.

It showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.

http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/000007.html


The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either
 
Does this mean that Governor Bush was only what he claimed...an Air National Guard pilot who flew one of the hotest and demanding fighters of his era?
 
That says it all june 6, 1972 George Walker Bush suspended from flying for failing to take a physical-
 
(National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.)
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm Read the full thread

77 posted on 01/31/2004 8:31:12 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: billorites; PhiKapMom
Well, not exactly. Let's start with:

His very special treatment included instant admission to flight training and an extraordinary commission as a second lieutenant.

I'd like to know what is so "extraordinary" about a commission as a second lieutenant. I believe that rank is the lowest officer rank in the Air Force. Most flyers are given an officer's rank, so starting Mr. Bush at that rank shouldn't be extraordinary at all.

But in May 1972, only 22 months after he completed pilot training, he stopped flying.

Many people stopped flying at that time. The military had more pilots than they could use, and getting time in the planes was difficult. Many pilots were showing up at the air field at five in the morning hoping to get a plane. If they weren't at the very top of their class, they often didn't get flying time. Many opted to quit being pilots and serve out the rest of their commitments in other ways.

In fact, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Bush skipped all duty for a full year, until April 1973.

As previous posters have already shown, this statement simply isn't true. The writer is either being dishonest or hasn't done his homework.

WFTR
Bill

78 posted on 01/31/2004 8:32:19 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: dighton
Being a fighter pilot -- for that matter, simply taking off in a single-engine jet fighter of the Century series, such as an F-102, or any of the military's other marvelous bricks with fins on them -- presented a man, on a perfectly sunny day, with more ways to get himself killed than his wife and children could imagine in their wildest fears.

George Bush once remarked in a private conversation about his military service and Viet Nam that when he was sitting at the end of the runway at Ellington Field firing that single jet engine, he didn't feel like he had gotten out of anything.

As a matter of fact, during his stint two fellow pilots were killed in accidents.

79 posted on 01/31/2004 8:32:46 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: HostileTerritory
I don't consider Bush anything remotely close to being a deserter. I want factual stories from credible (if there is such a thing) mainstream sources. The RAT's will use this confusion and the inference from a thousand slanders. The sooner a solid reference net and refutation is in place, the sooner the weapon can be wrested from the Left's arsenal.
80 posted on 01/31/2004 8:33:30 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Personally, as a Mass. resident, I'm laughing my ass off at the 'RATS who think Kerry is the most electable nominee.
81 posted on 01/31/2004 8:33:34 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: billorites
I will agree that it is not an enviable military record. However, it is a military record, which is a whole lot more than the previous President can claim and I never heard these same people complaining about Clinton's record at that time.

The second mitigating factor is George Bushs' actions since taking office. His actions of restoring our military strength and morale, both damaged under Clinton, must be taken into account.

As for the charge of it being 'unusual' for a Harvard graduate to be commissioned a 'Second Luey', that is pure BS. Second Leuy is the lowest rank he could be commissioned, there is nothing lower. Would the military like to get a Harvard grad? Well, I'll let you figure that one out.

82 posted on 01/31/2004 8:34:03 AM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: jpsb
If I were you I would be thinking real hard on how can Bush win back the many, many conservatives that are currently ripping him to pieces in newspapers all acrross the country

Are we talking the 88% of registered GOP'ers or those oh so conservative indies that are breaking for the leftists ?

American Research Group Poll. Jan. 27-29, 2004. N=768 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5 (total sample).

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"If the election for president were being held today between George W. Bush, the Republican, and the Democratic nominee for president, for whom would you vote: Bush or the Democratic nominee?" Options rotated

George
W. Bush
Democrat Unsure

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% % %

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ALL 47 46 7

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Republicans 88 2 10

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Democrats 9 85 6

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Independents 46 49 5

83 posted on 01/31/2004 8:34:34 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
If a Republican is "unsure" about Bush now, I wonder what he can do that can make them come home. Maybe a manned mission to Jupiter.

Granted that 88% is strong but not as strong as he used to be.
84 posted on 01/31/2004 8:35:56 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: billorites
Moore was joking, as he now insists

Michael Moore is a fat a** lunatic who curiously enough most resembles what he actually is. A boil on the butt of the country. Heh, heh, take it easy. I was joking

85 posted on 01/31/2004 8:36:06 AM PST by paul51
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To: jpsb
So, are you gonna stay home and sulk at election time?
86 posted on 01/31/2004 8:36:29 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: jpsb
Kerry I think, won the Medal of Honor

I think he was the Pope once too.

87 posted on 01/31/2004 8:38:22 AM PST by paul51
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To: Wolverine
Did you know that John Effn Kerry served in Vietnam..??

Since John Effin mentions he served in Vietnam everytime he opens his mouth, it's kind of hard not to know.

88 posted on 01/31/2004 8:38:53 AM PST by hflynn
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To: billorites
In light of what journalists and other researchers have learned since the publication of Mr. Bush’s book, his account is unmistakably fraudulent.

Mister Conason, you intend to collect social security at some point, don't you?

Social security is available only to human beings.

And we know that the charge of calling you a human being is unmistakably fraudulent.

89 posted on 01/31/2004 8:41:00 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: UB355
Girly Man Joe Conason

Joe has sand in his vagina.

90 posted on 01/31/2004 8:42:01 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TomB
[Assuming that is correct, which, given your record, is suspect, why did he join the TANG?]

I don't know why don't you ask him? But since his father was a pilot (mine was to by the way WW2) it is not surprising that the son wanted to follow in the father foot steps. Recent history underlining that point.

Listen, I is not my fault that Bush is not a war hero, or even a combat vet. He did what a lot of elites did. Could very well be that his family (Mom and Dad) talked him into avoiding active services in Vietnam. Lot's of Moms and Pop were doing the same. So stop giving me a hard time. I don't have a problem with Bush's service record.

Personal insult deliberately ignored this time.

91 posted on 01/31/2004 8:43:15 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: billorites
His very special treatment included instant admission to flight training and an extraordinary commission as a second lieutenant.

Joe Conason is a complete moron.

Any ROTC grad can get "extraordinary commission as a second lieutenant."

We used to call them 90-day-wonders.

Saying again: JOE CONASON IS A COMPLETE MORON.

92 posted on 01/31/2004 8:43:35 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: billorites
Algore being dropped into a 'journalism' unit for a one year stint with bodyguards in Nam never bothered Joe.

Joe can't stand it that W made the cut to flight school, much less that he made it out with his wings.
93 posted on 01/31/2004 8:43:55 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: PhilipFreneau
Anyone commissioned in the Army, including the NG branch of the Army, is given the rank of 2nd Lieutenant, the lowest commissioned rank. Duh!

You guys are killing me!!! This is the first time that I've heard being commissioned a 2LT as extraordinary! I would hardly classify my two years as a butterbar as extraordinary.

I guess I better not run for public office either (not that Mrs. NHN would allow it). I evaded the draft by accepting a 4 year ROTC scholarship. However, I did serve in the Army for 8+ years. The closest I ever got to combat was when my jeep was clipped by an M-60 tank during REFORGER '77.

Based on the stance now taken by the loony left, such service does not qualify.

Just one question: why doesn't Conason spend as much time investigating BillyJeff's draft evasion, as he spends on Bush's honorable service in the National Guard?

Not that I'm qualified to ask reasonable questions. After all, I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes (C-123s, C-130s, and C-141s) while in the Army.

94 posted on 01/31/2004 8:44:22 AM PST by Night Hides Not
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To: billorites
Oh good grief! A Joe Conason story about Bush. Let me guess...Conason doesn't like Bush, and this story will make that clear. Do I have to read the article now?
95 posted on 01/31/2004 8:44:31 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
No I always vote, haven't make up my mind yet, I'll vote R down ticket but at the top I'm not sure what I am going to do.
96 posted on 01/31/2004 8:45:31 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: WFTR
[Joe Conason] is either being dishonest or hasn't done his homework.

I'll take the First Answers to Rhetorical Questions for 500, Alex.

97 posted on 01/31/2004 8:46:44 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: HostileTerritory
The 'rats are good at it. Lets not forget the DUI story right before the 2000 election. Thankfully, most thinking people don't trust the media or politicians.
98 posted on 01/31/2004 8:46:51 AM PST by KEVLAR
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To: jpsb
He served with honor, and then he desecrated that honor shortly after his return with his actions, which were akin to the actions of Hanoi Jane. He deserves the same respect that she deserves and not one iota more.
99 posted on 01/31/2004 8:47:53 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: HostileTerritory
If a Republican is "unsure" about Bush now, I wonder what he can do that can make them come home. Maybe a manned mission to Jupiter

If you look at the next poll which outs a name to the rat candidate you can see that more GOP'ers fall into voting for Bush (perhaps they believe they are unsure because they don't know the rat candidate. Also, more rats go for Bush.

But that oh so conservative minded indie's flock for the liberal. This means the folks that say Bush is going to lose because of his liberal moves are dead wrong. In fact based on the polls, he needs to bring the liberal indies into his camp.

What if the election for president were being held between George W. Bush, the Republican, and John Kerry, the Democrat, for whom would you vote: Bush or Kerry?" Names rotated

George
W. Bush
John
Kerry
Unsure

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% % %

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ALL 46 47 7

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Republicans 89 3 8

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Democrats 12 81 7

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Independents 39 55 6

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100 posted on 01/31/2004 8:49:27 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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