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An Open Letter To President Bush From The Common Man
The Reality Check ^ | 03 February 2004 | Judson Cox

Posted on 02/03/2004 8:57:27 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

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1 posted on 02/03/2004 8:57:27 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln
Bravo!! Bump
2 posted on 02/03/2004 9:06:18 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws and return DUE PROCESS to our citizens))
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To: Lando Lincoln
Good post. Even worse is that the grant funded hucksters drive decent art underground. The universities are just as much of a problem in that respect and live off an even larger flood of that same confiscated income.

I differ with Mr. Daniels in one respect: I think a large fraction of the the elites are more than happy to fund trash art for the masses. It helps keep the little people just where they are and helps make sure "popular culture" stays that way.
3 posted on 02/03/2004 9:09:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I stand for eight to ten hours on concrete floors, unloading trucks, stocking shelves, running a cash register and doing a hundred other mind numbing tasks.

And what the heck did you do to prevent yourself from winding up in this obvious craphole job?

4 posted on 02/03/2004 9:12:44 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: Lando Lincoln
I thought the point about NEA funding was rather well written. But he destroyed his whole argument with all the whining about his job. It would have gotten an A from me, but that crybaby routine brings it down to a C-
5 posted on 02/03/2004 9:16:02 AM PST by Delta-Tango
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To: American_Centurion
So, he should have planned to have a cushier job for the government to take even more money to fund the NEA, etc.? That would make it all better?
6 posted on 02/03/2004 9:19:42 AM PST by kenth (This is not a tagline. You, sir, are hallucinating.)
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To: American_Centurion; Delta-Tango
FWIW...I think the author was trying to write vicariously as this person in a "dead-end" job.

Lando

7 posted on 02/03/2004 9:21:29 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (GWB in 2004)
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To: Lando Lincoln
The President is merely trying grab as much of the voting population as possible. Wierdos included.
8 posted on 02/03/2004 9:25:44 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Delta-Tango
Well, it appears, for the sake of argument, that a contrast needed to be made to point out the unfairness of the NEA giveaway, compared to how hard and long he has to work for HIS money. If he had written that he was a well paid executive, driving a company car, and lives in a 5 bedroom gated-community home, would we have sympathy for him then if he complained about the NEA funding? I, like others here, believe President Bush should be a tax cuttin, budget reducing fanatic. And yes, let the NEA fund itself!
9 posted on 02/03/2004 9:26:02 AM PST by Enterprise ("You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say.")
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To: Lando Lincoln
Hence I question, how much in taxes do they pay.

I'm sure it is a lot to them, and yes they have every right to disapprove, but being in a "dead end job" will garner no sympathy from those who know that in this country the only ones who can't better themselves are the dead.

So if 1/100th of their $250 paid in taxes actually is used to fund something they disapprove of, why not complain even more loudly about the other 9/100ths? If an article must be written from the perspective of those in a "dead end job" then I say write it about how much they pay in taxes or why they can't invest some of their Payroll tax instead of it going to some rich geezer snowbird in Floriduh.

Instead of waiting until someone proposes more funding to the NEA, why weren't they complaining 10 years ago about just plain abolishing it? I guess it wasn't on the radar then, must be because it's another dart being tossed at Bush.
10 posted on 02/03/2004 9:34:41 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: American_Centurion
I stand for eight to ten hours on concrete floors, unloading trucks, stocking shelves, running a cash register and doing a hundred other mind numbing tasks.

It is art that brings beauty to this drab life.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I think that a delicious pizza is a work of art and as such, I savor it's consumption as much as some people enjoy gazing at a Van Gogh.

11 posted on 02/03/2004 9:35:04 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
This is yet another expensive bowel-movement that Karl Rove is trying to pass off as an idea. Great, hand the NEA several more million dollars that we don't have. Oh, but they say it's for "real" art this time. Even if that is the case, that will change very quickly once another administration takes over...be it in one year or four. Then they will have even more money to waste the usual crap.
12 posted on 02/03/2004 9:36:17 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: American_Centurion
Bad artists deserve a job as much as bad polititians.

Our tax money pays their salaries as well.

13 posted on 02/03/2004 9:37:02 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: American_Centurion
As a college student, and Director of Communication for the Foundation for Conservative American Values,

A 'conservative' college student?  Let us rejoice one fell through the cracks of leftist academia.  And is now working his way through life.

 

14 posted on 02/03/2004 9:37:08 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: B4Ranch
Yes and sugardaddy will lose alot more votes then he gains. The limp-wristed hangers-on aren't going to vote for him! Elizabeth honey, I'm comin' to see ya.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 9:38:44 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: kenth
Or just maybe if he had a better job I would believe that this fictional worker might actually pay taxes. I'm sorry but the loading dock worker and shelf stocker who can barely afford gas, are not the "common man". They are more like the entry-level summer employment/part time teenager or if an actual adult they would fall into the category of LOSER unless they got their job through Melwood.
16 posted on 02/03/2004 9:39:22 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"I think that a delicious pizza is a work of art"

Can we get our pizza subsidized?

17 posted on 02/03/2004 9:41:13 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: American_Centurion
A very large percentage of the population lives paycheck to paycheck and has no savings whatsoever. Another significant portion has been living on credit cards after downsizing or job loss. Please define "common man." The county I live in is $24,000 average annual household income.
18 posted on 02/03/2004 9:46:36 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Ches
Average household income doesn't matter. The real question is do you and most of the people you work with, go to church with, play softball with, etc, have barely enough money to afford gas to drive to your "dead end job". I seriously doubt it, you at least have a computer and a phone line.

19 posted on 02/03/2004 9:50:03 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: Ches
The county I live in is $24,000 average annual household income.

And the single person making that much money is still contributing more to the tax base than the much vaunted "family of four earning $40,000 or less." They pay zero federal income tax and a good chunk of them get most of their payroll taxes kicked back to them via the (un)Earned Income Tax Credit. Meanwhile the single people and high earners are carrying them.

20 posted on 02/03/2004 9:53:21 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Carry_Okie
Oh, yes. The elite just love trash art. Traditional ideas of beauty are related to traditional ideas of morality. If you succeed in pedaling ugly art, you succeed further in the postmodern project of confusing people about the true, the good, and the beautiful.
21 posted on 02/03/2004 9:56:08 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: American_Centurion
And what the heck did you do to prevent yourself from winding up in this obvious craphole job?

He didn't choose his parents carefully enough, so he has to WORK his way through school.

22 posted on 02/03/2004 9:56:55 AM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: American_Centurion
"Average household income doesn't matter"??????

Ever hear the expression money makes the world go round? I have a business dependent on customers who require disposable income. I have employees with young children who ask for advances so they can get to work the next week. And, oh yeah, next time I go in for that business note I'll tell my friendly banker that, "Income doesn't matter." I'll bet that'll get me a long way.

23 posted on 02/03/2004 9:59:19 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: American_Centurion
uncalled for statement. not all of us are born with parents who can give one a free ride in college. Of course to folks like you anyone who DOESN'T go to college at all is Jerry Springer material right?
24 posted on 02/03/2004 10:00:24 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Mr. President, can you explain why you think it is a good idea to take a portion of my hard earned money, and give it to the National Endowment for the Arts?

Simple. One reason only. To take it back from the Democrats. Next!

25 posted on 02/03/2004 10:13:53 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: KantianBurke
I never went to college. I am certainly not JS material.

Bettering oneself isn't necessarily going to college. It could be as simple as not buying that 50 in big screen on credit when you know you can't really afford it. When you do that you are a LOSER.
26 posted on 02/03/2004 10:14:03 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: American_Centurion
And what the heck did you do to prevent yourself from winding up in this obvious craphole job?

Wow. I was going to be a wise guy and post something to the effect of: "Well, get some training and get a better job, start your own business, etc. You loser!" Someone beat me to it, only it appears you're serious.
You know, working for a living isn't a BAD thing. Many folks in my father's generation worked in factories, had large families and were considered fine people.
It disturbs me that many think that we should live to work, not work to live.
27 posted on 02/03/2004 10:15:23 AM PST by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: JimRed
Then it isn't by definition a "dead end job" it is called a stepping stone and a person in that situation should be smart enough to see that it won't be their perpetual plight to stock shelves.
28 posted on 02/03/2004 10:15:39 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: Ches
Employees asking for advances to get to work the next week are not living within their means.

And your business by your own definition shouldn't be extremely profitable in a county where the average household income is only $24,000 populated by people who can't afford gas and you need the disposable portion to make your living, seems to me you may not have made the best decision on employees or location.
29 posted on 02/03/2004 10:20:18 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: Delta-Tango; Ches
Had to attack the messenger too I see. You folks are a comedy performance.
30 posted on 02/03/2004 10:23:29 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: brownsfan
Damn serious. I'm not one to give pity to a person who is a victim of their own lack of discipline and motivation. I will however offer a kick in the @55 to anyone who would like to acquire either of the above qualities, quick, fast, and in a hurry.
31 posted on 02/03/2004 10:23:55 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: American_Centurion
"Employees asking for advances to get to work the next week are not living within their means."

Personally, I've done rather well here. Thank you very much. As for as my employees, I guess I'm just an old softie when I see an ambitious young man with a family, anxious to learn a trade and aquire skills to advance himself and responsible enough to take care of family, not to mention honest enough to advise me of his financial situation; I choose to extend a hand rather than pull the carpet out from under him. It sounds to me like you think everyone deserves a kick in the ass. I don't.

32 posted on 02/03/2004 10:31:19 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: B4Ranch
"attack the messenger"

Huh?

33 posted on 02/03/2004 10:33:20 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: American_Centurion
Damn serious. I'm not one to give pity to a person who is a victim of their own lack of discipline and motivation. I will however offer a kick in the @55 to anyone who would like to acquire either of the above qualities, quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Ok, allow me to follow your logic. Those folks who worked in factories, my father's generation, sometimes called "America's Greatest Generation". The ones who fought in WWII, worked in factories, and brought their kids up to believe that working for a living is honorable. They are a bunch of losers right? They lack what it takes?
Just want to be sure I have the concepts straight.
34 posted on 02/03/2004 10:34:06 AM PST by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
"He is quickly gaining recognition as one of the most popular and influential voices of his generation. As a college student, and Director of Communication for the Foundation for Conservative American Values, he has a unique perspective on matters of politics, economics and culture. "

And is so vain, he puts this in his own bio.

35 posted on 02/03/2004 10:35:39 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Ches
Most everyone at one time or another does deserve a kick in the ass. Unfortunately I can't be there at just the right time for everyone so I need some help from the rest of the principled Americans.

But I guess in my initial post, I was a little heavy on rant and light on what my rant was about.

I get pissed when someone sets themselves up to be some type of "victim" just to make a point. In this case this "victim" was named the common man. If the common man is in fact a victim, he is a victim only of his own lack of discipline and motivation. You supported this by stating most people live paycheck to paycheck and have to get an advance to buy gas to get to work. I'm sure they appreciate your kindness, which in turn fosters the honesty that allows them to ask. But IMO none of those things would have to occur if they were motivated and disciplined in the first place.
36 posted on 02/03/2004 10:40:11 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: brownsfan
Did they work in the factory barely able to provide or pay for transportation to work and complained about it.

You don't have to be rich to be successful, if you're not happy with your income or your job then do something about it. This article was written from the perspective that we should listen to this "common man" because he was a "victim" of circumstances in a "dead end job" and that President Bush should do something to help him instead of spending money on the Nat. Endow. for the Arts.

I don't appreciate victimology for pity.
37 posted on 02/03/2004 10:46:02 AM PST by American_Centurion
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To: American_Centurion
I wish I had your simplistic black and white view.

Believe me, I've been known to kick ass with the best of them.

Back to the article. I think it was corny and it did not resonate with me personally. But since it was about the National Endowment of the Arts, I wrote off his choice of a working schlumph to artistic license or playing to his audience. I do not find his writing to be great literature nor a real effective way to make points with the culturally elite. The message however, is plain and clear, "don't rob the working man to support a bunch of limp-wristed (and usually left of center) people who tend to be the real deadbeats and drain on society." Somehow, it got turned around to the guy with the job being the deadbeat.

Thank you for the clarification.

38 posted on 02/03/2004 10:48:33 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: American_Centurion
And what the heck did you do to prevent yourself from winding up in this obvious craphole job?

You do understand that this is not about his job or your job or my job don't you? It is about the fact that the federal government is not empowered to spend the public treasury's funds on unconstitutional subsidies.

As the article observed, If a good or service has a value, people will buy it.

39 posted on 02/03/2004 11:56:59 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: Lando Lincoln
Mr. President, can you explain why you think it is a good idea to take a portion of my hard earned money, and give it to the National Endowment for the Arts?

A good and worthwhile question. However, I would have asked the President a slightly different question.

Mr. President, can you explain why you think the federal government is empowered by the Constitution to spend the public treasury on an endowment for the arts?

40 posted on 02/03/2004 12:11:05 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: Delta-Tango
"I thought the point about NEA funding was rather well written. But he destroyed his whole argument with all the whining about his job. It would have gotten an A from me, but that crybaby routine brings it down to a C-"

You miss the point of the article. It was to point out what the hard working American is thinking, busting their bottoms tilling the farms, stocking the grocery stores, punching a clock at a factory, etc,etc.


41 posted on 02/03/2004 12:41:12 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: American_Centurion
"Or just maybe if he had a better job I would believe that this fictional worker might actually pay taxes. I'm sorry but the loading dock worker and shelf stocker who can barely afford gas, are not the "common man". They are more like the entry-level summer employment/part time teenager or if an actual adult they would fall into the category of LOSER unless they got their job through Melwood."

Apparently you have never traveled into Western Texas. This may not be true where you live but htis does represent a great number of Americans working to fund a corrupt government.
42 posted on 02/03/2004 12:47:57 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Orangedog
"And the single person making that much money is still contributing more to the tax base than the much vaunted "family of four earning $40,000 or less." They pay zero federal income tax and a good chunk of them get most of their payroll taxes kicked back to them via the (un)Earned Income Tax Credit. Meanwhile the single people and high earners are carrying them."

That is funny, I got more back from the Guberment being single living in an apartment then I do now with a 2 working adult household with a child.

Explain this one to me.
43 posted on 02/03/2004 12:51:19 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: brownsfan
"Ok, allow me to follow your logic. Those folks who worked in factories, my father's generation, sometimes called "America's Greatest Generation". The ones who fought in WWII, worked in factories, and brought their kids up to believe that working for a living is honorable. They are a bunch of losers right? They lack what it takes?
Just want to be sure I have the concepts straight."

Ooooo but they are but the Serfs of the kingdom aren't they?
/sarcasm off
44 posted on 02/03/2004 12:56:37 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: American_Centurion
"If the common man is in fact a victim, he is a victim only of his own lack of discipline and motivation."

No he is a victim of a government that is unconstitutional in their acts and their taxation of the people, expanding government at such a rate it has made its serfs dependant upon the government!
45 posted on 02/03/2004 1:05:01 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: MosesKnows
The point of my rant was that no one is going to gain much sympathy from those of us bearing the lions share of the burden by first setting themselves up as the victim. If you want to get your point across about how your taxes are spent it's best not to make it obvious that you barely pay any.
46 posted on 02/03/2004 1:53:36 PM PST by American_Centurion
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To: AbsoluteJustice
No one is a serf. You can work hard and make your own way.

Regarding your earlier post about West Texas, if it sucks so bad there are 49 other states they can go to. Why would they want to stay? There must be something there that makes them happy, if not then they're just stupid.
47 posted on 02/03/2004 1:58:09 PM PST by American_Centurion
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To: AbsoluteJustice
That is funny, I got more back from the Guberment being single living in an apartment then I do now with a 2 working adult household with a child.

Explain this one to me.

Sure, just post your 1040 and I'll look it over for you ;)

48 posted on 02/03/2004 2:11:02 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: American_Centurion
If you want to get your point across about how your taxes are spent it's best not to make it obvious that you barely pay any.

Considering that 50% of the taxpayers pay 96% of the income taxes it is already fairly obvious that the other 50% of the taxpayers only have to pay the remaining 4% of the income taxes but your point is well taken.

Now, how do you feel about my observation that the federal government is not empowered to spend the public treasury's funds on unconstitutional subsidies?

49 posted on 02/03/2004 2:56:48 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
What the FedGov is and is not empowered to according to the constitution went out the window long before you and I were born.

That said, there are a myriad of "programs" and entitlements I don't agree with but we can only elect those our votes can touch. Granted President Bush is proposing spending on some outlandish programs, but I have to agree with what Rush thinks he is doing, trying to wipe out the Democratic party.

Aside from that what are our options:
1. Vote third party or independent and watch the hardcore lefties get power back.

2. Complete people versus the government revolution? Not likely to gain enough support to do anything other than die in place.

3. Try the old secession thingy again? High probability of an identical outcome to number 2.

4. Accept that a lot of our money is going to be completly wasted, and try to elect enough people with similar values in the effort to reign in some of that spending and place judges who do thier duty instead of making new laws.

Articles similar to this one do have a useful place in the process, but who and what does this particular article really hurt? IMO this article is more harmful to the conservative cause by way of it's use of victimology and it's sideswipe at President Bush the only electable candidate on November's ticket who resembles a conservative.
50 posted on 02/03/2004 5:44:21 PM PST by American_Centurion
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