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Body of Missing Girl Found; Man Arrested
AP ^ | 2/6/04 | Mitch Stacy

Posted on 02/06/2004 7:34:15 AM PST by apackof2

SARASOTA, Fla. - The body of an 11-year-old girl whose abduction was captured by a surveillance camera has been found in a church parking lot and a mechanic has been charged with her murder, officials said Friday.

Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill refused to say where Carlie Brucia's body was found, but a law enforcement source close to the investigation said it was found between 12:45 a.m. and 1 a.m. Friday outside a church not far from the car wash where she was taken.

"Our prayers on behalf of everybody here in Sarasota County go out to the family," Balkwill said.

He said Joseph P. Smith, 37, has been charged with her murder. He is believed to be the tattooed man in a mechanic's shirt who was seen in a car wash surveillance video leading Carlie away by the arm Sunday evening, authorities said.

Investigators found the body after negotiations with Smith, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Earlier, authorities had said he was not cooperating.

"We now stand ready to complete our obligation, and assure you that he will pay the ultimate price for what he did to her," Capt. Jeff Bell said.

Family and friends had kept vigil outside Carlie's ranch-style house which was decorated with banners and posters reading, "We love you, Carlie."

Carlie was described by friends as a beautiful girl who loved actress Jennifer Lopez, going to the mall and hanging out. The youngster was known for greeting friends with warm hugs. She was heading home from a slumber party when she was abducted.

Carlie's friend Natalie Thomas cried after hearing that her classmate's body was found. She remembered Carlie's smile and that she liked to go on walks.

Carlie's family had gone into seclusion Friday and was unavailable for comment.

"There's nothing you can do to make anybody feel better and it's going to hurt for a long, long time," said Chuck Chambers, a private investigator who was working with the family.

"I need my daughter home," Carlie's mother, Susan Schorpen, had said Thursday. "She's a very, very important part of this family and community."

Members of her former Girl Scout troop took a day off from school Wednesday to pass out fliers at shopping centers, canvass neighborhoods and distribute pink ribbons adorned with Carlie's name.

A reward fund of $50,000 was offered for information.

Smith has been arrested at least 13 times in Florida since 1993, according to state records and convicted of drug possession and other charges. He was arrested in 1997 in Manatee County on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges, but was acquitted a year later.

An aide to Smith's public defender, Adam Tebrugge, had declined to comment Thursday.

Carlie was walking home from a friend's house at about 6:20 p.m. Sunday when she took a short cut behind Evie's Car Wash, which was closed for the day.

Car wash owner Mike Evanoff said he checked the security system video Monday after bloodhounds led deputies to the business. The images of Carlie popped up almost immediately when he turned on the system, he said.

"It was cold chills right up my back," Evanoff said earlier this week. "My manager couldn't even look at it. It's an awful feeling."

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To: soozla
Good catch. I bet it is him, since he was personal injury lawyer in private practice.
51 posted on 02/06/2004 8:53:42 AM PST by doodad
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To: laotzu
A child is dead......

your comment seems out of place
52 posted on 02/06/2004 8:54:08 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{---><)
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To: Theo
I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, so let's make sure he gets a fair and speedy trial, then hang him.
53 posted on 02/06/2004 9:14:25 AM PST by BUCKSBUD
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To: Lucky2
I'm not one to defend pervert criminals, but I think you're maybe jumping the gun on the judge in this case. The only information I've seen is that Smith was in court in December for a probation violation. There is a huge variety of things that can cause someone to go in for a probation violation. That could be anything from being five minutes late for a meeting with your p.o. to committing a new crime. The less serious violations are, duh, dealt with less seriously. If they weren't, we'd have to build MANY new prisons, since a high percentage of felons get called in at least once for a probation violation. Many violators do not receive additional incarceration for minor violations, although they may receive other consequences. This can be true whether the judge is liberal or conservative. So, before I'd feel comfortable condemning the judge, I'd want to know the nature of Smith's violation
54 posted on 02/06/2004 10:25:49 AM PST by a_strindberg
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To: apackof2
The better question in all of this is where the hell were the parents??!!!

What in gods green earth is an 11 YEAR OLD girl out running about at god knows what time (then again doesn't matter) unattended without any adult supervision or with friends?

Sure this is a tragedy and I totally feel for the parents. This guy should get the switch. But the parents should own the ultimate responsibility in this. I cannot imagine a parent that would allow an 11 year old girl to run around unsupervised......
55 posted on 02/06/2004 10:43:39 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: a_strindberg
It is good to assume innocence until proven guilty. To not "judge" until you've gathered evidence in favor and/or against guilt.

I've read enough that I'm not of the stance that he's guilty. His lifestyle, his "matching" the description shown on the video (tatoos, hair, uniform, location), and his uncooperation with the investigation lead me to believe at this point that he's the guilty party.

If he's guilty, he needs to be removed from our gene pool.
56 posted on 02/06/2004 10:45:16 AM PST by Theo
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To: AbsoluteJustice
From what I've read, it wasn't night time. She started walking home from a friend's home, I believe, and when her parents found out she was walking home, they hopped in a car to look for her. They were looking even before she was officially missing, which indicates to me that they are responsible parents.
57 posted on 02/06/2004 10:47:53 AM PST by Theo
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To: ladtx
Don't like the sound of that.

In this case, the fact that he was lawyered-up may prove to be a good thing.

58 posted on 02/06/2004 10:50:46 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Theo; All
This is to ALL in here? We can toss this around all day and make excuses as to why this occured and who should be held responsible but everyone seems to be missing the point and where the blame lies.....

WHERE WERE THE PARENTS???!!!!

11 YO girl out without ANY adult supervision???
This is insane!!!
Ultimate responsibility is with the parents!!
59 posted on 02/06/2004 10:51:27 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Theo
"From what I've read, it wasn't night time. She started walking home from a friend's home, I believe, and when her parents found out she was walking home, they hopped in a car to look for her. They were looking even before she was officially missing, which indicates to me that they are responsible parents."

I am only speaking in this tone as I am a parent of a 16 month old beautiful girl not at you personally but....

I don't care if it is 11:00AM bright sunlight...no way..no how... my daughter is leaving someone's house unsupervised, I'm picking my daughter up or she has arrangements to get home from other parents. They are not responsible parents proof of this is that they are having to look in the 1st place after the fact.
Children are the parents ultimate responsibility.
60 posted on 02/06/2004 11:02:01 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Lucky2
At the risk of provoking another round of judge bashing, it's appropriate to remember what the issue was that this judge was dealing with. He had before him a guy whose parole officer wanted to remand him to custody because he hadn't paid about one third of the fine he'd been ordered to pay. That was the only issue before him. He also had evidence that the guy had been sick. So, lacking a crystal ball, he gave the guy some additional time to pay the fine.

Somehow I suspect that, had the judge routinely run around locking up everybody who fell a hundred bucks behind on payments, many of the same folks who are attacking him now would be doing so again. I can picture the headline now: "Man gets a year in prison over a $100 late payment".

The system failed, there's no question about that, but it's important to keep in mind that the issue before the judge was NOT, "should this monster be let lose to kill"?

61 posted on 02/06/2004 11:02:54 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: doodad
But plead no contest in a second assault and did time IIRC. In this assault he hit a woman in the face with a helmet and tried to pull her into some woods when a deputy spotted the commotion.

See, to me this is very simple. This single act, which did not even have to be proven in a court of law (because he pleaded no contest) is inconsistent with him living among us.

There are violent acts that can get you arrested that have poor predictive value-bar fights, for example. But clubbing a strange woman so you can drag her into the woods is not one of them.

This act, or worse, was inevitably going to be repeated (and repeated) until he was dead or incarcerated.

For that matter, if he were incarcerated in a normal American prison, such acts would inevitably be repeated on weak or non-violent inmates, or prison staff.

The best solution for someone who pleads no contest to clubbing a woman so he can drag her into the woods is that he be killed. If that were done in this case, this little girl would still be alive.

Failing that, a person like this should be isolated from society in a secure location, where he can live with others of his own kind and do whatever they would do to each other-without societal intervention.

62 posted on 02/06/2004 11:04:50 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: thesummerwind
it is truly amazing how these dogs can do what they do!

Really. There was a Ventura County case with a guy involved in a custody dispute who grabbed his kid off the street, drove twenty miles across the county on a freeway, then hid out in a residential neighborhood. The cotton-pickin' dog let the cops right to his door a day later... amazing. The dog led them onto the freeway, then they stopped at each off ramp until the dog led them off again. All they could figure was that is had something to do with a unique odor the guy's truck emitted, maybe a half-dead catalytic or something.

63 posted on 02/06/2004 11:09:44 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: a_strindberg
I'd want to know the nature of Smith's violation

Pretty much as you guessed. He hadn't paid part of a fine, and had a valid excuse for not doing so. There's no question the system is plagued with judges who aren't interested in passing judgement, but on the surface of it this doesn't look like one of those incidents.

64 posted on 02/06/2004 11:13:51 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Jim Noble
"The best solution for someone who pleads no contest to clubbing a woman so he can drag her into the woods is that he be killed. If that were done in this case, this little girl would still be alive."

I wish everyone would stop with the "it was the gun that killed him defense"

The more appropriate response to your argument would be.....

If the parents were responsible parents not allowing an 11 Year old walk home unattended and without adult supervision she would still be alive.
65 posted on 02/06/2004 11:22:18 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"If the parents were responsible parents not allowing an 11 Year old walk home unattended and without adult supervision she would still be alive."

Ridiculous!

66 posted on 02/06/2004 11:27:28 AM PST by spunkets
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To: AbsoluteJustice
But the parents should own the ultimate responsibility in this. I cannot imagine a parent that would allow an 11 year old girl to run around unsupervised......

I'd hardly characterize what she was doing as "running around unsupervised." She could have been mere blocks from her house and was walking home from a friend's. Big deal. It's not like she was out at 3 a.m. cruising the interstate. If this is typical suburbia, there's nothing unusual about an 11-yr-old walking home for a slumber party, nor should there be. Blame the right perp here, the psycho who took her. The parents are not at fault.

67 posted on 02/06/2004 11:30:10 AM PST by workerbee
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To: workerbee
for a slumber party = from a slumber party
68 posted on 02/06/2004 11:31:40 AM PST by workerbee
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To: apackof2
This is horrible. It's beyond horrible. I feel sick to my stomach. I knew she was dead but to hear in confirmed it just awful. Poor girl. I hope they kill the b@st@rd.
69 posted on 02/06/2004 11:33:52 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: spunkets
"Ridiculous!"

This is the primary reason why kids today are the way they are, they have parents that aren't worth a darn. Don't care where they are, who they are with, or when they will be home. Adults such as yourself is the first to point to someone elses fault...it's not my fault its his. The gun killed the person not the person. See a pattern. Our society has pretty lousy parents today. Better yet lazy.
70 posted on 02/06/2004 11:40:13 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: workerbee
"I'd hardly characterize what she was doing as "running around unsupervised." She could have been mere blocks from her house and was walking home from a friend's. Big deal. It's not like she was out at 3 a.m. cruising the interstate. If this is typical suburbia, there's nothing unusual about an 11-yr-old walking home for a slumber party, nor should there be. Blame the right perp here, the psycho who took her. The parents are not at fault."

Can you verify she was a couple blocks away? Then again this has nothing to do with the FACT that these parents should HAVE supervised the return of their CHILD. Even if she were only a couple blocks away the parents should have told her either stay there we will come get you or my head is out the door looking for her. Please people this is a child 11 years old in a crazy world. This is not rocket science.
71 posted on 02/06/2004 11:42:45 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: doodad
In this assault he hit a woman in the face with a helmet and tried to pull her into some woods when a deputy spotted the commotion.

So that's two times he tried to abduct a female before he got ahold of Carlie? Makes me wonder if Carlie is the first one he actually murdered or not.

72 posted on 02/06/2004 11:45:03 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: doodad
In this assault he hit a woman in the face with a helmet and tried to pull her into some woods when a deputy spotted the commotion.

So that's two times he tried to abduct a female before he got ahold of Carlie? Makes me wonder if Carlie is the first one he actually murdered or not.

73 posted on 02/06/2004 11:45:13 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: ArmstedFragg
you replied to someone else..............cool though.
74 posted on 02/06/2004 11:57:09 AM PST by thesummerwind (Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: dougherty
That is what I understand, and (get this) I was wrong. He got two years probation for it! No time.
75 posted on 02/06/2004 11:58:29 AM PST by doodad
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To: doodad
Ladies and gentlemen bashing the parents: she was not allowed to walk home even though it was a short distance. She knew this and told the friend's parents she was allowed to do so. The stepfather showed up or called, not sure which, and found she had left and immediately went to find her. He missed her by ten minutes according to the clock on the tape.
76 posted on 02/06/2004 12:01:16 PM PST by doodad
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Can you verify that the parents didn't have a plan and the girl (being 11) managed to get out on her own anyway? Get a grip, my friend. A psycho took and murdered the girl. That's who I blame for her death, and rightly so.
77 posted on 02/06/2004 12:02:36 PM PST by workerbee
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To: apackof2
I just heard the sheriff on the radio claim there was no deal made despite the rumor.
78 posted on 02/06/2004 12:03:10 PM PST by doodad
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To: Baynative
"There's one thing you can say about Islamic justice - it sure makes the perverts think things over before they embark on an escapade to ruin people's lives."

Nah, all the perp would have had to say was that she deserved it because her head was uncovered. He'd get off scott free, and be congratulated for serving 'allah.'

79 posted on 02/06/2004 12:05:54 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"What in gods green earth is an 11 YEAR OLD girl out running about at god knows what time (then again doesn't matter) unattended without any adult supervision or with friends?"

It was broad daylight, and she was walking home after having spent the night at a friend's house.

80 posted on 02/06/2004 12:07:16 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"I cannot imagine a parent that would allow an 11 year old girl to run around unsupervised......"

In this day and age, you may be right. But an 11 year old girl should be able to walk to/from a friend's house in broad daylight. Nothing unusual for parents to allow that kind of thing.

81 posted on 02/06/2004 12:08:36 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
Apparently you, too, are one of those lousy, lazy parents out there inviting pyscho killers to abduct your children.
82 posted on 02/06/2004 12:09:38 PM PST by workerbee
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"Please people this is a child 11 years old in a crazy world."

Do you have children, and if so, are you the primary care-giver?

83 posted on 02/06/2004 12:10:23 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: doodad
"Ladies and gentlemen bashing the parents: she was not allowed to walk home even though it was a short distance. She knew this and told the friend's parents she was allowed to do so. The stepfather showed up or called, not sure which, and found she had left and immediately went to find her. He missed her by ten minutes according to the clock on the tape."

That is basically my understanding of what happened, based upon early news reports (except I think the stepfather was called by someone's mother after the child was allowed to start walking.) So I have to agree with you that there is some blame to be cast upon: 1) the child for lying, 2) the slumber party parents for simply accepting the child's word rather than confirming with her parents, and 3) the child's parents for not making firm pick-up arrangements before the fact.

And before I get flamed, let me say that this in no way lessens the blame that must be placed upon the perpetrator.......these were simply contributing factors that gave him the opportunity to work his evil.

84 posted on 02/06/2004 12:30:57 PM PST by freedox
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To: MEGoody
Nothing unusual for parents to allow that kind of thing.

I agree in general, but in this case she was not allowed to walk home. She lied to the friend's parents about it and left when her father was running late.

85 posted on 02/06/2004 12:31:50 PM PST by doodad
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To: MEGoody
"Do you have children, and if so, are you the primary care-giver?"


Read above posts, yes I am a father of an 16 month old beautiful baby girl. I AM THE primary caregiver. Mother is as well.

So I am not a hypocrit here just blowing hard at the mouth. I am a parent and hold true to my word in reference to children. You would think by now that parents would actually "get it" when it comes to being a responsible parent. To many "whackos" out there not to.
86 posted on 02/06/2004 12:42:44 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"You would think by now that parents would actually "get it" when it comes to being a responsible parent."

I do not view it as irresponsible for parents to allow an 11 year old girl to walk home from a friend's house in broad daylight - except perhaps in the worst of neighborhoods.

Having said that, it doesn't sound like this girl was supposed to be walking home anyway - her step dad was going to pick her up, but she left anyway.

87 posted on 02/06/2004 12:45:17 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
"But an 11 year old girl should be able to walk to/from a friend's house in broad daylight."

your keyword in here is should, and you are correct. today though this is not possible. In Okinawa? Yes it is this way. When I did a pump to there in the Marines twice you would see children as young as 4 and 6 years old walking hand in hand at 6-7 AM to school and not a SOUL in sight. I thought WOW this is really something. A culture who can do this without fear of kidnappers, etc etc. It was quite amazing I must say.
88 posted on 02/06/2004 12:45:31 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: doodad
"I agree in general, but in this case she was not allowed to walk home. She lied to the friend's parents about it and left when her father was running late."

If this is true than I stand corrected. If this is true then she does have caring parents and responsible parents. What a shame.
89 posted on 02/06/2004 12:46:59 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Banjoguy
Just add it to the list of government failures. The penal system is so overcrowded with drug users and pushers, that there is no room for the true degenerates who walk among us.

"Smith has been arrested at least 13 times in Florida since 1993, according to state records and convicted of drug possession and other charges."

He was a drug use and pusher and he was walking among us. Now what?

90 posted on 02/06/2004 12:48:47 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Bush has won two wars, Kerry is French......'nuff said)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Isn't it terrible; just makes the tradgedy that more poignant. She was being a "big" girl I'm sure in her mind. Today is my daughter's birthday and this has made me cry several times today, so what if I'm a grown man.
91 posted on 02/06/2004 1:11:07 PM PST by doodad
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To: apackof2
Sick peice of S&%t.!

92 posted on 02/06/2004 1:34:05 PM PST by Kay Soze (NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. - HA HA HA This is a joke right?)
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To: doodad
I agree this is a tragedy and I for one have no shame in crying when it comes to my 16 month old infant. I hurt her once on accident when I bumped my head on her chin playing with her. She bled, cried, and my heart melted to tears....man the effect a child can have on a parent.
93 posted on 02/06/2004 1:35:01 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
When I grew up, admittedly in the Stone Age, we rode our bikes (or walked) all over the city by age 11 and came inside at night when the street lights came on. We took the bus to movies, though usually with an older brother or sister. When my kids were that age (70's/80's), they never had that kind of freedom, but there were times they did walk to and from school. The point is that times have changed, but when your child gets older, you'll find that plans do not always work out. I was a super careful parent yet we practically had our own parking spot at the local emergency room.

Even the most responsible parents can have a missed connection picking up their child. When my first child was 16 months old, I would have probably said the same things as you, but I learned that life doesn't always work according to plan, no matter how noble the intentions. Do your best and pray that your kids grow up safely, but don't come down so hard on this girl's folks.

94 posted on 02/06/2004 2:07:57 PM PST by Mjaye (Use a fruitcake, go to jail...)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"Don't care where they are, who they are with, or when they will be home. Adults such as yourself is the first to point to someone elses fault...it's not my fault its his.

Folks such as myself. I see. You tried to put the blame for this on the parents. You're delusional. All the blame is on the perp. There's also plenty of blame to lay on the idiots on the jury that let this guy off for attacking that woman.

I don't want to get into other things that would have given the girl a chance against the murderous creep here. I will say though that your attack on the parents is unwarranted and extremely vicious. If you feel that you need to let off on someone, take it to the rats that enabled this.

95 posted on 02/06/2004 6:58:55 PM PST by spunkets
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To: tutstar
"your comment seems out of place"

I have made no comment; I asked a question, clearly addressed to a specific individual.

Your sympathy, outrage, and sense of propriety is very much shared, and appreciated.

96 posted on 02/07/2004 12:56:19 AM PST by laotzu
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To: doodad
"Please tell me you don't mean that"

Mean what? I asked a question.....but not of you.

97 posted on 02/07/2004 12:59:50 AM PST by laotzu
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To: ImpBill
"Do you think what this guy did to this little girl was wrong...?"

Absolutely. Without question.

By any measure, this was objectively wrong.

I made no comment. I asked a question.

98 posted on 02/07/2004 2:10:53 AM PST by laotzu
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To: laotzu
Very good. I am really glad I didn't read more into the question. The way it was couched had me wondering however.
Thanks for the reply.
99 posted on 02/07/2004 4:13:23 PM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: ought-six
If 80% of his private practice was Personal Injury, the guy's a Democrat, and likely contributed significant sums of money to Democratic causes and candidates.

At least he's not out of Charles Schumer's "mainstream".

100 posted on 02/08/2004 7:09:13 AM PST by lowbridge (I can think of a punishment worse than death for Saddam, but Hillary is already married.)
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