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U.S. Says Files Seek Qaeda Aid in Iraq Conflict
New York Times ^ | 1/9/04 | Dexter Filkins

Posted on 02/08/2004 7:48:52 PM PST by saquin

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Feb. 8 — American officials here have obtained a detailed proposal that they conclude was written by an operative in Iraq to senior leaders of Al Qaeda, asking for help to wage a "sectarian war" in Iraq in the next months.

The Americans say they believe that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian who has long been under scrutiny by the United States for suspected ties to Al Qaeda, wrote the undated 17-page document. Mr. Zarqawi is believed to be operating here in Iraq.

The document was made available to The New York Times on Sunday, with an accompanying translation made by the military. A reporter was allowed to see the Arabic and English versions and to write down large parts of the translation.

The memo says extremists are failing to enlist support inside the country, and have been unable to scare the Americans into leaving. It even laments Iraq's lack of mountains in which to take refuge.

Yet mounting an attack on Iraq's Shiite majority could rescue the movement, according to the document. The aim, the document contends, is to prompt a counterattack against the Arab Sunni minority.

Such a "sectarian war" will rally the Sunni Arabs to the religious extremists, the document argues. It says a war against the Shiites must start soon — at "zero hour" — before the Americans hand over sovereignty to the Iraqis. That is scheduled for the end of June.

The American officials in Baghdad said they were confident the account was credible and said they had independently corroborated Mr. Zarqawi's authorship. If it is authentic, it offers an inside account of the insurgency and its frustrations, and bears out a number of American assumptions about the strength and nature of religious extremists — but it also charts out a battle to come.

The document would also constitute the strongest evidence to date of contacts between extremists in Iraq and Al Qaeda. But it does not speak to the debate about whether there was a Qaeda presence in Iraq during the Saddam Hussein era, nor is there any mention of a collaboration with Hussein loyalists.

Yet other interpretations may be possible, including that it was written by some other insurgent, but one who exaggerated his involvement.

Still, a senior United States intelligence official in Washington said, "I know of no reason to believe the letter is bogus in any way." He said the letter was seized in a raid on a known Qaeda safe house in Baghdad, and did not pass through Iraqi groups that American intelligence officials have said in the past may have provided unreliable information.

Without providing further specifics, the senior intelligence officer said there was additional information pointing to the idea that Al Qaeda was considering mounting or had already mounted attacks on Shiite targets in Iraq.

"This is not the only indication of that," the official said. The intercepted letter also appears to be the strongest indication since the American invasion last March that Mr. Zarqawi remains active in plotting attacks, the official said.

According to the American officials here, the Arabic-language document was discovered in mid-January when a Qaeda suspect was arrested in Iraq. Under interrogation, the Americans said, the suspect identified Mr. Zarqawi as the author of the document. The man arrested was carrying it on a CD to Afghanistan, the Americans said, and intended to deliver it to people they described as the "inner circle" of Al Qaeda's leadership. That presumably refers to Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri.

The Americans declined to identify the suspect. But the discovery of the disc coincides with the arrest of Hassan Ghul, a Pakistani described by American officials at the time as a courier for the Qaeda network. Mr. Ghul is believed to be the first significant member of that network to have been captured inside Iraq.

The document is written with a rhetorical flourish. It calls the Americans "the biggest cowards that God has created," but at the same time sees little chance that they will be forced from Iraq.

"So the solution, and only God knows, is that we need to bring the Shia into the battle," the writer of the document said. "It is the only way to prolong the duration of the fight between the infidels and us. If we succeed in dragging them into a sectarian war, this will awaken the sleepy Sunnis who are fearful of destruction and death at the hands" of Shiites.

The author offers his services and those of his followers to the recipients of the letter, who American officials contend are Al Qaeda's leaders.

"You noble brothers, leaders of the jihad, we do not consider ourselves people who compete against you, nor would we ever aim to achieve glory for ourselves like you did," the writer says. "So if you agree with it, and are convinced of the idea of killing the perverse sects, we stand ready as an army for you to work under your guidance and yield to your command."

In the period before the war, Bush administration officials argued that Mr. Zarqawi constituted the main link between Al Qaeda and Mr. Hussein's government. Last February at the United Nations, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said, "Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network, headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda lieutenants."

Around that time, the Americans believed that Mr. Zarqawi was holed up in the mountains at the Iranian border with Ansar al Islam, a group linked to Al Qaeda that is suspected of mounting attacks against American forces in Iraq.

Since the war ended, little evidence has emerged to support the allegation of a prewar Qaeda connection in Iraq. Last month, Mr. Powell conceded that the American government had found "no smoking gun" linking Mr. Hussein's government with Al Qaeda.

In the document, the writer indicated that he had directed about 25 suicide bombings inside Iraq. That conforms with an American view that suicide bombings were more likely to be carried out by Iraqi religious extremists and foreigners than by Hussein allies.

"We were involved in all the martyrdom operations — in terms of overseeing, preparing and planning — that took place in this country," the writer of the document says. "Praise be to Allah, I have completed 25 of these operations, some of them against the Shia and their leaders, the Americans and their military, and the police, the military and the coalition forces."

But the writer details the difficulties that he and his comrades have been experiencing, both in combating American forces and in enlisting supporters. The Americans are an easy target, according to the author, who nonetheless claims to be impressed by the Americans' resolve. After significant losses, he writes, "America, however, has no intention of leaving, no matter how many wounded nor how bloody it becomes."

The Iraqis themselves, the writer says, have not been receptive to taking holy warriors into their homes.

"Many Iraqis would honor you as a guest and give you refuge, for you are a Muslim brother," according to the document. "However, they will not allow you to make their home a base for operations or a safe house."

The writer contends that the American efforts to set up Iraqi security services have succeeded in depriving the insurgents of allies, particularly in a country where kinship networks are extensive.

"The problem is you end up having an army and police connected by lineage, blood and appearance," the document says. "When the Americans withdraw, and they have already started doing that, they get replaced by these agents who are intimately linked to the people of this region."

With some exasperation, the author writes: "We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases.

"By God, this is suffocation!" the writer says.

But there is still time to mount a war against the Shiites, thereby to set off a wider war, he writes, if attacks are well under way before the turnover of sovereignty in June. After that, the writer suggests, any attacks on Shiites will be viewed as Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that will find little support among the people.

"We have to get to the zero hour in order to openly begin controlling the land by night, and after that by day, God willing," the writer says. "The zero hour needs to be at least four months before the new government gets in place."

That is the timetable, the author concludes, because, after that, "How can we kill their cousins and sons?"

"The Americans will continue to control from their bases, but the sons of this land will be the authority," the letter states. "This is the democracy. We will have no pretexts."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/08/2004 7:48:53 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin; Dog; Dog Gone; blam; Grampa Dave; Ragtime Cowgirl; Pikamax; Howlin; NormsRevenge; ...
The Americans declined to identify the suspect. But the discovery of the disc coincides with the arrest of Hassan Ghul, a Pakistani described by American officials at the time as a courier for the Qaeda network. Mr. Ghul is believed to be the first significant member of that network to have been captured inside Iraq.

We are cleaning them out!

Another accomplishment detailed here:

How US Put Rogue Atom Scientist Out Of Business

2 posted on 02/08/2004 8:00:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think the most important parts of this memo are the indications of how desperate the "insurgents" are becoming.

"The memo says extremists are failing to enlist support inside the country, and have been unable to scare the Americans into leaving. It even laments Iraq's lack of mountains in which to take refuge."

"...the writer details the difficulties that he and his comrades have been experiencing, both in combating American forces and in enlisting supporters."

"With some exasperation, the author writes: "We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases.

"By God, this is suffocation!" the writer says."
3 posted on 02/08/2004 8:09:13 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin; Ranger; mystery-ak; Pikamax; farmfriend
This is terrific news!
4 posted on 02/08/2004 8:12:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: *Bush Doctrine Unfold
To the bump register!
5 posted on 02/08/2004 8:15:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes it is....no mountains to hide in...LOL...just rat holes.
6 posted on 02/08/2004 8:17:14 PM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: saquin
It calls the Americans "the biggest cowards that God has created

Here this scumbag is OBVIOUSLY speaking of the American Public and the media in general and Democrats in particular, DEFINITELY NOT our TROOPS!!

He and all of the Arab world know the constant leftist media drumbeat of quagmire and troop deaths will eventually where the American public out. They also KNOW that if GW gets beat their efforts will not have been in vain.

7 posted on 02/08/2004 8:31:32 PM PST by PISANO (u)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BUMP...
8 posted on 02/08/2004 8:33:56 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
fyi
9 posted on 02/08/2004 8:37:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: saquin
I'm curious what else was on that CD-ROM. Additionally, since the CD was going to Afghanistan, I guess that tells us a little bit about UBL where abouts. I hope they got some good intel from the messenger on al-Zarqawi and UBL. The messenger is probably a nobody, but nobody can lead us to a sorta somebody, and the sorta somebody can lead us to a somebody, etc.
10 posted on 02/08/2004 8:38:00 PM PST by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: saquin
"With some exasperation, the author writes: "We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases."

YES!

11 posted on 02/08/2004 8:52:01 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You may be interested in this, RC.
12 posted on 02/08/2004 9:01:08 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: saquin
Speaking of Zarqawi, insurgency in Iraq and recent ricin incidents:

British police receive orders to shoot to kill suicide bombers
The Jerusalem Post ^ | August 9, 2003 | DOUGLAS DAVIS

British police receive orders to shoot to kill suicide bombers By DOUGLAS DAVIS

Britain's top police commander Sir John Stevens has placed his forces on the highest state of alert following intelligence warnings that an al-Qaida terrorist attack might be imminent. He has ordered all front-line officers to be trained to spot potential suicide bombers and has taken the unprecedented step of ordering police to "shoot to kill" suicide bombers.

The Sunday Telegraph reported that the moves follow intelligence passed to Britain by the FBI in a secret briefing in late July. It warned that London is facing an increasing threat of a suicide bomb attack. The police chief has now told his officers that British intelligence reports indicates there are more al-Qaida agents in Britain than has been previously estimated. And he said he believes the terror network is sufficiently extensive to be able to mount suicide attacks.

He told the hundreds of armed officers in London they must shoot to kill if they believe a terrorist is planning a suicide attack. And he made it clear that additional legislation is not required to cover such action. If they fear an attack will result in loss of life they will be justified in killing the suspect. The paper quoted a senior officer as saying: "He's made it plain that if we think we are facing a suicide bomber, we should shoot first and ask questions later."

Senior officers were briefed on the increasing threat at a presentation held at Scotland Yard's firearms unit in London last week. Additional guidance on countering suicide bombers is being given to officers in London and will be extended to forces in other parts of the country next month.

"Suicide bombers are getting better at killing people," said Scotland Yard's senior firearms instructor, Chief Inspector Andy Latto. "We are currently briefing chief officers across the country and the information will cascade down to officers."

According to the paper, the training and guidance is being organized by specialist officers who have visited Israel and Sri Lanka, and the new guidance will be included in a counter-terrorist manual. Although much of the content of the manual is confidential, it will examine the various methods of suicide attackers. It is understood to detail the cases of two British suicide bombers who attacked Mike's Place in Tel Aviv last April, which resulted in the death of three Israelis and one of the bombers.

A major mock attack on the London Underground rail system, which is considered to be a prime target, is to be staged next month to test the ability of the emergency services to prevent, react to and deal with the aftermath of a terrorist incident.

Britain has already foiled two al-Qaida plots this year. The first involved the highly lethal poison ricin, which was seized in a security raid on a North London apartment in January. The following month, troops and tanks were deployed around London's major airports after a plot was uncovered to down a passenger airliner with shoulder-launched missiles.

In another development, the paper reported that top al-Qaida bomb-makers have established at least two cells in Baghdad with the capacity to carry out large operations designed to destabilize American-backed efforts to restore order. Former New York police chief Bernard Kerik, who is assisting the Iraqi police, said the FBI would send officers to Baghdad to lead the investigation into suspected al-Qaida links to last week's bombing of the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad which killed 14 Iraqis.

American and Jordanian officials are said to have identified the terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was at the center of American attempts to establish a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, as the chief suspect in the embassy bombing. Zarqawi, a 43-year-old Jordanian national whose real name is Fadel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, was linked by the Jordanians to the murder of Lawrence Foley, a US diplomat who was shot dead in Amman in October last year. He fled to Iraq and is suspected of working with Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdistan-based Islamic militant group which is said to be linked to al-Qaida.

According to the Sunday Telegraph, the device used in the lorry bomb consisted of high explosives and TNT and was triggered by remote control, which one security official said might have been assembled in Syria before being transferred to Iraq. The device is reportedly far more sophisticated than anything coalition forces have encountered so far.

"The style of the attack and the explosives used point towards Ansar al-Islam and in particular to Zarqawi, who is still on the run in Iraq," a senior Jordanian official was quoted as saying. "Zarqawi blames Jordan for giving the United States information on his terror network and a secret Ansar al-Islam camp in northern Iraq, which makes him one of the chief suspects in this attack."

Head of the Iraqi Governing Council's security committee Ayad Allawi told the paper: "Al-Qaida are coming in from various places. Some are new but we have also found traces of sleeper cells.

"People have reported on their activities in several areas," added Allawi. "We certainly know that top al-Qaida bomb-makers and organizers are in Iraq."

13 posted on 02/08/2004 9:14:44 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: saquin
...we will not tire, we will not falter, we will not fail.

GWB

this Buds for you, pass the pork rinds Osama-mama
THE USA
14 posted on 02/08/2004 9:33:08 PM PST by petertare (truth, justice and the American way)
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To: MJY1288
Speaking of castor beans... see my post above.
15 posted on 02/08/2004 9:38:03 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: saquin
There are wheels within wheels here. Zarqawi's guys seem to want to link up with Sunni/Baathist holdouts, provoke the Shiites, while using Iran as a refuge. It all sounds so Middle East.
16 posted on 02/08/2004 10:19:28 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: saquin
"The Americans will continue to control from their bases, but the sons of this land will be the authority," the letter states. "This is the democracy. We will have no pretexts."

This is the most interesting part of this very interesting story for me: How terrified they are of freedom and self-determination.

17 posted on 02/08/2004 10:25:52 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: saquin
This seems a little too good to be true, imho.
18 posted on 02/08/2004 10:43:38 PM PST by mikegi
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To: saquin; piasa
Thanks for the postings............FRegards
19 posted on 02/08/2004 11:41:14 PM PST by gonzo ('Joy', to the world, was a beautiful girl, but to me 'Joy' meant only sorrow.........)
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To: gonzo
Hi, how have you been doing lately?
20 posted on 02/09/2004 1:14:36 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Howlin; Southflanknorthpawsis; justshe; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Chad Fairbanks; ...
With some exasperation, the author writes: "We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases.

"By God, this is suffocation!" the writer says.

But there is still time to mount a war against the Shiites, thereby to set off a wider war, he writes, if attacks are well under way before the turnover of sovereignty in June. After that, the writer suggests, any attacks on Shiites will be viewed as Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that will find little support among the people.

[SNIP}

"The Americans will continue to control from their bases, but the sons of this land will be the authority," the letter states. "This is the democracy. We will have no pretexts."

Looks like we're doing well, if we can only continue a bit longer.

21 posted on 02/09/2004 3:07:05 AM PST by Amelia
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To: saquin; Mo1; StriperSniper
WOW!
22 posted on 02/09/2004 4:03:05 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: saquin
This letter really puts AQ and their mindset on display. Not a pretty picture.

An unusually good article from the Times - just the facts, with no left-wing editorializing.
23 posted on 02/09/2004 4:14:25 AM PST by livius
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; Dog
We are cleaning them out!

"By God, this is suffocation!" the writer says.

You got that right.

24 posted on 02/09/2004 5:09:55 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: saquin
The elusive prize all along has been obvious: Leadership of Islam through harassment of the so called infidel. Yet that delusion seems finally to have decayed into complete idiocy.

We may even thank Al Qaeda one day for unwittingly having pushed East and West closer together.. Wait and see...
25 posted on 02/09/2004 5:29:49 AM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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To: piasa
Great work on the linkage.
26 posted on 02/09/2004 5:33:28 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: mystery-ak
Yes it is....no mountains to hide in...LOL...just rat holes.

You mean spider holes. ;)

27 posted on 02/09/2004 5:34:58 AM PST by rintense
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To: Amelia
"Looks like we're doing well, if we can only continue a bit longer."

As long as GW is our president and his real base, those who voted for him and those who came over to our side after 9/11 defend him, we will continue to kill the Islamofascists, capture them and make them sound like this whiner.


28 posted on 02/09/2004 5:36:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: saquin
Great news!

Am I the only one who found this headline incredibly obtuse? How about "Iraqi insurgents seek Al-Qaeda aid", or something like that?
29 posted on 02/09/2004 5:41:24 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
This is the perfect spot for you to post your favorite warning that GW gave the world and the Islamofascist re what would happen to them after 9/11.
30 posted on 02/09/2004 5:55:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: saquin
"Yet mounting an attack on Iraq's Shiite majority could rescue the movement, according to the document. The aim, the document contends, is to prompt a counterattack against the Arab Sunni minority. "

Any body else suspect that this is too good to be true? Something plausible, but planted to discredit al-Qaeda among Muslims?

A few of the phrases regarding Iraqi sovereignty, democracy and our successes sound like something that they’d be in denial of.

31 posted on 02/09/2004 5:56:30 AM PST by elfman2
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To: mikegi
My thoughts as well...
32 posted on 02/09/2004 5:59:57 AM PST by elfman2
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To: a_Turk
"We may even thank Al Qaeda one day for unwittingly having pushed East and West closer together.. Wait and see... "

I think that was evident by September 12th.

33 posted on 02/09/2004 6:04:10 AM PST by elfman2
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To: livius
"An unusually good article from the Times - just the facts, with no left-wing editorializing."

The Times was out of step with other Democrat publications preceding and during the war. They were arguably in support of it.

34 posted on 02/09/2004 6:05:54 AM PST by elfman2
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To: saquin
I hate it when my files go out recruiting terrorists.
35 posted on 02/09/2004 6:23:56 AM PST by sharktrager (The last rebel without a cause in a world full of causes without a rebel.)
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To: OXENinFLA; Dog; onyx; Howlin
The document would also constitute the strongest evidence to date of contacts between extremists in Iraq and Al Qaeda. But it does not speak to the debate about whether there was a Qaeda presence in Iraq during the Saddam Hussein era, nor is there any mention of a collaboration with Hussein loyalists.

Can they really be this thick headed??

36 posted on 02/09/2004 7:00:13 AM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Mo1
Can they really be this thick headed??

They??? If you mean the Dems, Yes, They are that thick headed.

37 posted on 02/09/2004 7:11:08 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; StriperSniper; Peach; Howlin; Dog
Here's something I don't get and have not seen talkled about anywhere.

This is from Tenet's (Feb. 5, 2004)

"My provisional bottom line today: Iraq intended to develop biological weapons. Clearly, research and development work was under way that would have permitted a rapid shift to agent production if seed stocks were available. But we do not yet know if production took place. And just as clearly, we have not yet found biological weapons."

IF???????

Now let's re-read Kay's Oct. report

"A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings, site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing this agent has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked, but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache."

So which is it have we or have we not found SEED STOCKS??????

38 posted on 02/09/2004 7:32:09 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
From what I have be able to tell .. they have found the recipe, the ingredients, the mixers, and the oven .. what they haven't found yet was the actually batter
39 posted on 02/09/2004 7:34:55 AM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: OXENinFLA
I don't know. Good research and good question.

My provisional bottom line (LOL) is that we know a lot more than we're letting on.
40 posted on 02/09/2004 8:20:38 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mo1
a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B, IS the batter.
41 posted on 02/09/2004 8:23:43 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1
That's how I understand how BIO-cultures grow, I could be wrong.

But from what I remember from Science class all you need is a very small amount of base culture in order to create more of that base.
42 posted on 02/09/2004 8:26:57 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: elfman2
I don't know about "too good to be true" but I do sense there is a lot of dissonance in the story.

We are told that Zarqawi wrote this document suggesting attacks on Iraqi Shiites to stir up trouble with Iraqi Sunnis (the hotbed of Baath holdouts). Zarqawi may be in Iraq, but as recently as a couple of weeks ago there were reports that he may be in (Shiite) Iran.

The article begins to suggest that maybe Ghul was the guy who had the CD with the letter on it. But Ghul was arrested while entering Northern Iraq from Iran:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073476/posts?page=9#9

Iran is where an Ansar al-Islam (an organization associated with Zarqawi) guy named Warzir Ali Wali Mamoyi was coming from when he got nabbed near Sulaiymaniya. It was also reported that he was going to the "Sunni Triangle area, possibly to link up with anti-U.S. insurgents from the former regime of Saddam Hussein."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-02-07-iraq_x.htm

Add in that curious story about Iraqi Shiite leader al-Sistani escaping an assassination attempt that later didn't happen at all. . . . Well, something funny is going on or being reported.

The dissonance may only be in my mind, but my guess is that there is a lot of disinformation being sent out. In my mind taken as a whole it is too garbled to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
43 posted on 02/09/2004 8:33:28 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bump
44 posted on 02/09/2004 8:48:32 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: OXENinFLA
But from what I remember from Science class all you need is a very small amount of base culture in order to create more of that base.

It's been YEARS since school .. but I think you are correct

I'm also reminded of that tape recordings of Iraqi Guards that Powell played at the UN and moving stuff

45 posted on 02/09/2004 8:49:03 AM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: OXENinFLA
a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B, IS the batter.

Very possible, but it could also be the yeast that helps it get bigger

46 posted on 02/09/2004 8:51:35 AM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Mo1
Can they really be this thick headed??

You can see examples of that right here on this forum.

47 posted on 02/09/2004 9:02:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: livius
YOu mean other than the lie that no evidence of prior contacts between AQ and Saddam having been found?
48 posted on 02/09/2004 9:09:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: elfman2
There is far more persuasive evidence. Mainly the attacks on Iraqis which has been a persistent concern.

They have been doing what this writer claims.

Actions speak far louder than words.
49 posted on 02/09/2004 9:12:11 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: PattonReincarnated
Plus it suggest to AQ that the old CD messenger trick may not work any more. They will start carrying 8 tracks.



>>>The messenger is probably a nobody, but nobody can lead us to a sorta somebody, and the sorta somebody can lead us to a somebody, etc.

50 posted on 02/09/2004 9:23:29 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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