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Bush credited for Guard drills (Kapow!)
The Boston Globe ^ | 2/10/04 | Walter V. Robinson

Posted on 02/10/2004 4:49:27 AM PST by The G Man

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush received credit for attending Air National Guard drills in the fall of 1972 and spring of 1973 -- a period when his commanders have said he did not appear for duty at bases in Montgomery, Ala., and Houston -- according to two new documents obtained by the Globe.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arf; awol; awolcharges; bush; defyingorders; deserter; disciplinaryaction; elections2004; gwb2004; militaryrecord; militaryservice; nationalguard; nepotism; servicerecord; slimyawolcharges; twoyears; w2004
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Take that!
1 posted on 02/10/2004 4:49:27 AM PST by The G Man
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To: The G Man; Howlin; nopardons
Bump for the research folder.
2 posted on 02/10/2004 4:52:57 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~clintonbegone/">Hero</font></a>)
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To: The G Man
Wonder if Mccullif(sp) will appoligize?
3 posted on 02/10/2004 4:54:36 AM PST by DeaconRed
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To: The G Man
George Mag, indepth look at GW's NG stint With documentation.
4 posted on 02/10/2004 4:56:21 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: The G Man; Hon
The commander of the Alabama unit has said Bush did not appear for duty at his assigned unit there.

BS!!! When are the other media whores going to out the Boston Globe for their shoddy and false reporting on this story?

Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth

The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either

5 posted on 02/10/2004 4:57:18 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (The BBC killed Kelly!! Those b@stards!)
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To: The G Man; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073076/posts
Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth
Brig. Gen. Turnipseed | February 6, 2004 | Hon

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074224/posts
Reporter Who Made Up AWOL Story Has History Of Libeling GOP Candidates
Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ^ | March 10, 1987 | N/A
6 posted on 02/10/2004 4:57:52 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: The G Man
Chris Matthews is going be very disappointed with this article...grins.

sw

7 posted on 02/10/2004 5:03:10 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: The G Man
Bookmark BUMP!
8 posted on 02/10/2004 5:03:32 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: The G Man
Retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert. C. Lloyd Jr., a former personnel director for the Texas Air Guard, said in an interview last night that the minimum number of points required for any year was 50, although most Guardsmen logged substantially more.

"The document shows he satisfactorily completed his military obligation for that year," Lloyd said.

Case closed

9 posted on 02/10/2004 5:03:50 AM PST by The G Man (John Kerry continues to be AWOL in the War on Terror!!!)
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To: The G Man
This article is trying so hard to spin this into a negative that it makes the English language dizzy. I feel like the writer must have drunk too much soda pop at the fair then went on the tilt-a-whirl. His rhetoric is the result.
10 posted on 02/10/2004 5:10:48 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: The G Man
I don't have the source, but I just read something the other day where the source (former military individual) said his explanation has been misquoted by the Boston Globe, the originator of this whole criticism of Pres. Bush's military record.

In any event, he has spent the most recent 3+ years in the military as Commander in Chief.
11 posted on 02/10/2004 5:13:55 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Puddleglum
Bush as CINC had these documens forged. Bush lied!!!!!

/insane DU ranting off

You know that's what the insaniacs will say.
12 posted on 02/10/2004 5:14:12 AM PST by Bogey78O (Why are we even having this debate?)
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To: The G Man
Notice though --that while the records show Bush had the required amount of points and service days the GLOBE still has to resort to inuendo's and subtle wording to make this as much of a hit piece as possible.

Had to serve a "Flurry of Days" to make his requirements
Commander says "Flurry of activity in May-July shows that he might not have had enough days before that"
Commander says "I don't remember him being there"

"why did they show a "torn Copy" in 2000
Why show records that were incomplete in 2000 when these records show a different story
etc etc etc etc

13 posted on 02/10/2004 5:14:44 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: The G Man
This is great news. This morning I was listening to this raging liberal Chris Matthew on the pin head Imus show and he was making President Bush service in National Guard as a major theme in the campaign and that Bush must answer these questions about his service. At the same time, he was making Kerry as this great war hero and he disregard his treason to his fellow soldiers when he came from Vietnam as simply “anti-war” stands. I am sure that this Boston Globe article is very sad news to Matthew, to all the liberals, and to John Kerry the traitor of Vietnam.
14 posted on 02/10/2004 5:15:24 AM PST by jveritas
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To: The G Man
"The activist, Bob Fertig, is a cofounder of Democrats.com, a website that has no formal affiliation with the Democratic Party."

Anything seem strange about this?
15 posted on 02/10/2004 5:16:01 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: The G Man
I am very surprised that Walter Robinson actually allowed his named to be included with this report, which directly contradicts his earlier report that has been cited by the demoCREEPs since 2000.
16 posted on 02/10/2004 5:16:14 AM PST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: Loyal Buckeye
See the link up above titled "Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth" where FReeper Rookie of the Year "Hon" did the legwork that the media has been too lazy to do.
17 posted on 02/10/2004 5:17:18 AM PST by The G Man (John Kerry continues to be AWOL in the War on Terror!!!)
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To: Hon
ping
18 posted on 02/10/2004 5:18:11 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Bush has won two wars, Kerry is French......'nuff said)
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To: Voter#537
Apologize??? McAwful??? Never...He will only point out that Bush served the MINIMUM and play that up as some sort of cop-out.

These people and their syncophants are implacable, power-hungry, and despicable. They warrant the utmost disdain by any American.

19 posted on 02/10/2004 5:24:51 AM PST by el_texicano
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To: Loyal Buckeye
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064541/posts
Bush 'Desertion' Charge Debunked NewsMax ^ | 1/24/04 | Limbacher


20 posted on 02/10/2004 5:25:03 AM PST by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: The G Man
I expect this story to die this week. I think Kerry will be satisfied to have convinced some that President Bush was a deserter, to have raised the question in the minds of some others, and to have drawn attention away from his own base acts protesting the war in Viet Nam.

He'll think that the issue of his protests is moot, that he's taken the sting out of accusations directed at him by attacking the president.

But he's wrong. A lot of people will actually listen and learn that President Bush's guard service was valid...and remember Kerry's now-embarrassing protests. Especially those who have served...
21 posted on 02/10/2004 5:25:06 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: The G Man
NOT good enough..../sarcasm
22 posted on 02/10/2004 5:25:43 AM PST by lysie
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To: The G Man
And the sad thing is that the DemonRATs expected the AWOL charge to fly the second time after McCain had the wings shot out from it. If there wasn't so much vote fraud that there's a distinct possibility of them getting power again, their attempts at smears would be pathetically funny instead of simply pathetic.
23 posted on 02/10/2004 5:27:18 AM PST by steveegg (You don't clean up 8 years of messes in 4, only to turn it over to Pigpen - W'04)
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To: lysie
This won't be good enough for John F'n Kerry.....he's a war hero. Did you know that? He was in a country far far away with a rifle not knowing who was friend or foe. Bush didn't serve his country, he was only in the National Guard. (sarcasm)
24 posted on 02/10/2004 5:27:47 AM PST by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them. johnfkerrysucks.com coming soon)
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To: The G Man
Now that there appear to be actual days listed for GWB being at NG meetings in AL, it would be nice to have other NG members who were also present on those days come forward and verify attendance. Let's put this issue to bed - once and for all. Corroborating testimony is always good when driving home a point.
25 posted on 02/10/2004 5:28:08 AM PST by familyofman
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To: spectre
The Boston Globe wrote this story? So pigs do fly? Could have fooled me.
26 posted on 02/10/2004 5:28:17 AM PST by snooker
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To: Ragirl
Really??? LOL ;-)
27 posted on 02/10/2004 5:29:05 AM PST by lysie
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To: The G Man
But its commander has said Bush never appeared.

This is untrue.

The man has said he doesn't "remember." He was a BrigGen at the time. Why would a brig gen note a lietenant showing up or not?

That's like saying that a deputy division commander should know if a lieutenant in the G-3 shop was there every day or not.

It's not the BG's job to know that.

28 posted on 02/10/2004 5:29:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To: snooker
I was wondering about that too. Since they're the ones who started this whole mess maybe they figured the only way to save face is to be the ones who clear him.
29 posted on 02/10/2004 5:30:34 AM PST by The G Man (John Kerry continues to be AWOL in the War on Terror!!!)
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To: The G Man

30 posted on 02/10/2004 5:34:44 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: spectre
Chris Matthews is going be very disappointed with this article...grins.
sw


7 posted on 02/10/2004 5:03:10 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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Well by all means, forward it on over to Little Chrissy.
Perhaps with a note, suggesting that real journalists report the facts not make stories up to support a political party.
31 posted on 02/10/2004 5:35:18 AM PST by Area51 (RINO Hunter, Big Time.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
"The activist, Bob Fertig, is a cofounder of Democrats.com, a website that has no formal affiliation with the Democratic Party."

Anything seem strange about this?"


I found that very odd that they would list his website, but claim he has no "formal affiliation" with the DemonRats. Um...are we supposed to be stupid or what?
32 posted on 02/10/2004 5:35:39 AM PST by jempet
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To: GailA
"George Mag, indepth look at GW's NG stint With documentation."

Yes, and they ran that story in October 2000--which is to say just a few days after the AWOL charge first arose publicly.

BTW, as you know, George Magazine determined after looking very carefully at Bush's records, that he probably served MORE time than he was actually required to.
33 posted on 02/10/2004 5:36:41 AM PST by Hon
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To: The G Man
As you all know, the difficulty with this issue is that the left will play it as long and as hard as they can. In fact, they will continue to "question" and "wonder" until the actual facts are disseminated so far and wide that they'll actually look stupid for continuing to beat a dead horse.

It is also obvious, from their position, that the tactic is to smear Bush through this campaign of "questions" and innuendo until enough people (measurably significant) are aware of the true facts and then they'll drop it like it never existed and give it no more ink. In that way, an equal measure of setting the record straight can be omitted and the tactic of "questioning" the motives of Bush's political enemies for raising the issue cannot come home to roost.

If you'll recall, most minor clinton scandals were handled through a variation of this tactic (the disappearing ink trick) and only the biggies were half-heartedly reported because of existant public knowledge obtained through alternative sources. Principally because of the outrageous bias demonstrated by the press and the flagrant abuse of their charged duties (remember clinton's press finale and the lavish party where they all gave each other tongue baths?), their vaunted credibility took massive hits that they haven't recovered from to this day.

However, since the Mullahs at the NYT and the Globe have spoken, it seems that this smear may have outlived it's usefulness as far as the elite media circles are concerned. In other words, the biggest wave has crested on the sand. Of course, minor-league dolts at the Gopher Gulch Gazette may still write barn-burning articles about it, but hey, we already know the nature of the beast and their aversion to the truth, eh?
34 posted on 02/10/2004 5:38:23 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: The G Man
Boston Globe is not a FAN of Kerry

The Globe has dirt on Kerry on his conduct in Vietnam, his "romeo" days with hollywood types, and how the city move the fire hydrant in front of his house so that Therasa can park her SUV there..

Don't be surpised by this liberal rag have more stuff on Kerry. Afterall, a Kerry win in 2004 will doom all the hopes of a Hillary Presidency in 08 (that's may well be the ONLY good can come from a Kerry win).
35 posted on 02/10/2004 5:38:53 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: Judith Anne
I think you are correct.
36 posted on 02/10/2004 5:42:10 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND PBS & NPR - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: The G Man
I don't think any significant numbers of votes will be determined on this issue. Those who use it as a one-issue litmus would have cast their votes the same way.

Net gain or loss on this 'issue': zero.
37 posted on 02/10/2004 5:43:28 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: The G Man
Notice how the media can dig at a story when they wish to. They've managed to demonstrate the president is honest and served honorably, yet still they insinuate there is something being hidden, something deceitful going on.

Clymers.

Now, just think of a dem...any dem. Just think if the media wanted to investigate a story and wanted to take that politician down. Piece of cake! They'd actually be on to a REAL SCANDAL. Think Clinton WH, for starters. I would have loved this unending analysis directed at, say, the John Huang story and why he was at Commerce in the first place, and why the WH lied about there being two John Huangs, and why clinton personally moved him to the DNC and he retained top secret clearance and had that secret office across the street and made phone calls to China. But that's just me.

Lord, give me strength.
38 posted on 02/10/2004 5:46:39 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: The G Man
-"the fall of 1972 and spring of 1973 -- a period when his commanders have said he did not appear for duty at bases in Montgomery, Ala., and Houston..."

QUESTIONS...

-How was George Bush able to receive an Honorable Discharge from the Guard if he was confirmed to be AWOL by "his commanders"?

-Did "his commanders" (quoted and referred-to in the above article) notate George Bush's his "did not report for duty" violations in any Guard report or log?

-If not, then why are not "his commanders"'s credibilty being called into question? Wouldn't "his commanders" themselves be violating Guard regulations by NOT REPORTING George Bush's "did not report for duty" violations?

Seems to be like this is an easy cunnard to poke holes into, but the BUSH people and BUSH himself, are fumbling the opportunity to REALLY GO AFTER this insidious flap!

39 posted on 02/10/2004 5:47:08 AM PST by The Bronze Titan
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To: Area51
I suspect little Chrissy reads FR. Let's just let him keep reporting disinformation. Maybe I'll hold my nose and watch him spit all over himself this evening..

sw

40 posted on 02/10/2004 5:50:09 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife (The best defense is a good offense)
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To: The G Man
Now can we see your records JFKerry?
41 posted on 02/10/2004 5:50:19 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: The G Man
Case closed

In a normal and rational world, yes, it would be closed. It would have been closed long ago.

From the tone of the article it appears these jerks are not about to let it go.

I think their plan is to somehow discredit his service in order to take away the image of The Flight Suit. Plus elevate Ketchup Boy above the Commander in Chief.

42 posted on 02/10/2004 5:50:50 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: The G Man
Too many here are missing the point of all this.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush's Guard service. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Dem's desperation in trying to find an "issue" since it's patently obvious they're going to be wearing their collective arses as hats come November.

This lame attempt at trying to contrast Bush's service with Kerry's is just that..............incredibly weak, incredibly lame; a non-issue.

If THIS is all they've got...................................................................

BTW.........re: Kerry's service: I salute any man (or woman) who put on a uniform and wound up on the other side of the world in defense of their country.....or even just following orders, no matter their individual motivation. Can't take that away from Mr. Kerry. That said.........I haven't seen any evidence that he was a true "hero". Not saying he wasn't.......just haven't seen proof or real eyewitness accounts. Either way, his behavior upon returning was nigh unto treasonous.

43 posted on 02/10/2004 5:52:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: jempet
Democrats.com probably isn't "directly" connected to the DNC. But what a bunch of creeps.

They have a myriad of websites. They are running a Bush "War Crimes" petition.

http://www.wheresgeorge.com/pf_politic/messages/1050066236_29135.html

They are running an "Impeach Bush" site.

http://impeachcentral.com/elandslide/index.cfm

And I'm sure lots more. They are professional Bush haters.

I detect the liver spotted hand of George "Blowfeld" Soros.
44 posted on 02/10/2004 5:53:32 AM PST by Hon
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To: The G Man
If The President was missing from the Guard so much how did he learn to fly?

The Rats may have over done it because questions about Kerry's involvement with Jane Fonda are coming to the fore.

45 posted on 02/10/2004 5:56:04 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: jveritas
Imus read this article (summarized it anyway) not 15 minutes after Matthews was on the show, kvetching about the allegations and how he would have asked him those questions on Sunday if he was the interviewer.
46 posted on 02/10/2004 5:56:56 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: The G Man
Fertig called for an independent investigation. Noting that the new documents are contradicted by other public documents, and statements by Bush's Guard superiors, Fertig said the public has a right to know whether Bush received credit for duty he did not perform.

This is the why of The Globe getting these documents. The 'Rats won't let it go.

47 posted on 02/10/2004 6:00:09 AM PST by kristinn
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To: The G Man
But the following month, he won permission to move to Alabama for several months to work on the US Senate campaign of Winton Blount, a Republican. In Montgomery, Bush was supposed to do periodic drills with another Guard unit. But its commander has said Bush never appeared. Bush has said he did, but does not recall what duties he performed.

If that commander was William Turnipseed, the Globe's crack (cocaine) reporters have it wrong again.

I am sure it was an "oversight" as Dukakis and Kerry like to say.

48 posted on 02/10/2004 6:02:13 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: xzins
It's not the BG's job to know that.

The only thing that the Democrats' target audience knows about the military is what they saw in the movies.

They'll believe anything Terry McAuliffe tells them.

49 posted on 02/10/2004 6:04:13 AM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: RightOnline
You are correct about his service.

This past year tells us all we need know about his "DARK" mind and self obsession.

Here a guy who wants "HONOR & GLORY" for his service, 30 + years ago, goes "AWOL" from the US Senate. HE VOTES to give authority for WAR, then a FEW short months later will not VOTE to FUND those he helped send to WAR, because he is running for president.

Talk about a twisted "DARK" mind!



50 posted on 02/10/2004 6:05:06 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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