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Explosive Story: GOP has asked British SS to bug phones of American political candidates!

Posted on 02/15/2004 8:36:43 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

FOX NEWS 11:25am EST 2-15-2004

Fox news is interviewing John Loftus, Formers Justice Department Prosectutor who states that he has an inside scoop that "the Republican Party has asked the British Secret Service to bug phones of American political Candidates. "

FOX NEWS Eric Shawn: "It's a very serious and very shocking story."

JOHN LOFTUS: "That allegation seems very storng of that is the case. Why would any political party want to bug someone else?

It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt. He had signed a secret treaty with Britian in 1943 that let them each set up listening posts on each other's soil with no search warrants. It's a great little scheme. "

"So the British can use American computers to bug American politicians, and the Americans can use British computers to bug British politicians and each side can truthfully say that they aren't spying on their own citizens. They are just trading information under the table."

ERIC: How widespread is this. Members of the Security Council admitted to me that they are being bugged and that it wasn't surprising, they expected that.

JOHN: "What congress doesn't realise is that this is meant to favor one party only. In 1978 Carter tried to ban taping without a court order. So the bill is that the NSA cannot target american citizens, but not other countries from doing it. "


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2004; dnc; electionpresident; ericshawn; foxnews; johnloftus; rnc; transcript
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1 posted on 02/15/2004 8:36:44 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
All's fair in love and war (politics).
2 posted on 02/15/2004 8:38:41 AM PST by Galtoid
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Reeks of Watergate. If true it should have the same result.
3 posted on 02/15/2004 8:40:23 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: Galtoid
Somehow I don't think most freepers would agree with you (at least if the shoe was on the other foot).
4 posted on 02/15/2004 8:42:09 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Why would any political party want to bug someone else? It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt.

And was never a story until now. Hmmmmmmm.....

5 posted on 02/15/2004 8:42:34 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This is NEWS? I guess it maybe, if you have been living under a rock for a few decades. I am sure that all of Klintoon's phone sex with Monica L. is on a secure hard drive in England. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
6 posted on 02/15/2004 8:43:22 AM PST by Agent Smith
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CONTINUING ( I am typing this from TIVO, so these are word for word )

JOHN: " American computers record every long distance phone call everywhere in America all day. Targeting means that they sift through that haystack to find the needle. They program it to search for a democratic candidate's voice and retrieve all conversations. The British foreign liaison information cannot be shared with congress, because of the 1943 law. So the democrats don't know that the British are listening to all of their phone calls. They old spy base used to be at 218 Pennsylvania Ave, and it was moved to the Canadian Embassy right opposite of Capitol Hill. Because on the west side of the capitol are where all the offices are with views of the Washington Monument. "

ERIC: " We hear about all this spying and alleged spying and I am sure that we will be hearing about more "..


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8 posted on 02/15/2004 8:43:39 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Hey Botox Boy, why the long face?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Interesting timeing ?
9 posted on 02/15/2004 8:43:57 AM PST by tet68
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Members of the Security Council

It must be the sh!t detail to have to filter thru the uns "intelligence"

10 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:00 AM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This may have more to do with foreign funds coming in from overseas via Great Britain.

I'd like to hear more.
11 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:07 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: steve50
Reeks of Watergate. If true it should have the same result.

If the Dems do it too this story will wither and go away.

12 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:13 AM PST by In_25_words_or_less
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Next Scandal? :

I was just watching an interview on Fox News and this journalist was on a segment which they call "The Scoop" with Eric Shaun. Anyway, the man he was interviewing said he was going to break a story this week that the Republican Party is having the United Kingdom bug/tap phones at the DNC and their candidates. Apparently there is a loophole that allows the UK to do it for us and for us to do it for him but he is going to spread out more evidence that this is going on right now.

I expect this to become the next media feeding fenzy.

Anything to avoid the Kerry story...?

13 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:24 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Some seem to be getting awfully excited about a rumor.
14 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: Eala
"And was never a story until now. Hmmmmmmm....."

The strategy is obviously to keep Bush on the defensive by making wild accusations that he must defend against...even if they're untrue. Most people will hear the accusation but not the rebuttal.

15 posted on 02/15/2004 8:47:09 AM PST by blam
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Here's my take on what the "logic" of this story will be:

Echelon in the UK monitors all US calls.

The DNC makes phone calls in the US.

Therefore, Echelon is monitoring the DNC.

The White House has access to Echelon intercepts.

The White House is run by a GOP president.

Therefore, the GOP is telling the UK to bug the DNC.

Whereas, the reality is that this stuff has been going on for decades, and is independent of the GOP and the Dems, other than our reps keep allowing it to happen.

16 posted on 02/15/2004 8:47:24 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: In_25_words_or_less
If the Dems do it too this story will wither and go away.

If the dems do it too both parties should be voted out.

17 posted on 02/15/2004 8:47:51 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: cripplecreek
o the Brits have such a thing called a secret service?? sounds odd to me.
18 posted on 02/15/2004 8:48:03 AM PST by WHBates
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Please wake me when this election is over.
19 posted on 02/15/2004 8:48:29 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This shyster is trolling for publicity!

http://www.john-loftus.com/default.asp
20 posted on 02/15/2004 8:48:41 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: WHBates
Sure the British have a Secret Service.

Don't you watch James Bond?
21 posted on 02/15/2004 8:49:15 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Hey Botox Boy, why the long face?)
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To: steve50
If the dems do it too both parties should be voted out.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out how the liberal press will drop the story if it soils Dems too.

22 posted on 02/15/2004 8:50:15 AM PST by In_25_words_or_less
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To: American_Centurion
This guy is a hack. He's the one who promotes the much-loved BFEE(Bush Family Evil Empire) conspiracy at DU.
23 posted on 02/15/2004 8:51:33 AM PST by hobson
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
LOL! Yeah they sent George H. Bush over on a secret CIA plane to arrange the recordings.


"Even though there is no credible evidence, these charges are so serious they must be investigated! ...Too!" TM DNCFAX

24 posted on 02/15/2004 8:51:46 AM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: cripplecreek
I love when someone writes "all's fair in love and war" -- so in other words we go after everyone using sleazy tactics that clearly are sleazy or there would be no trouble admitting it, right? Then if the other side does something we wrap ourselves in history and principle and say it's shocking. I guess I mistakenly thought us conservatives stood for PRINCIPLEs...but I'm wrong seeing the size of our budget, people sitting back on the new immigration amnesty, and going along with the prescription drug plan. Principle is out the window if we condone this. And if the it is confirmed and the Democrats use it, it's good for the country that it comes out and is stopped. I think the new rule is: whatever the president says is right because he's our man. Whatever the president does is right, because he's our man. If it violates the written and unwritten rules in our democracy, it's all right, because he's our man. If it goes totally against conservative philosphy, it's all right because he's our man. I wish there was a third party in this country that believed in principle since I increasingly think I'll stay home and microwave left over pizza on election day.
25 posted on 02/15/2004 8:51:59 AM PST by jraven
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
sheesh, this guy is a regular tinfoiler


John's Latest Projects

Loftus explores Bush-Nazi scandal (posted 12/11/03)
Loftus Views on Secrecy: In response to a coded note from an anonymous spy
CNN Interview: Convicted Spy Challenges Life Term - 9/2/03 (posted 10/7/03)
Why Loftus serves on pro-Muslim boards
Palast article on Bush Sr - Al Qaeda coverup (posted 8/17/03)
The Truth About Jonathan Pollard (posted 8/17/03)
Pipeline of Hatred: Presentation of interest about Anti-Semitism
Read a review on John's Book "The Secret War Against the Jews"
Loftus vindicated by Al Arian arrest - 2/20/03
John's Press Release on the Saudis
What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11
26 posted on 02/15/2004 8:52:08 AM PST by Pikamax
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To: steve50
And I suppose the missing FBI files with the Hildebeast's prints on them wasn't Watergate material ??
27 posted on 02/15/2004 8:52:14 AM PST by Renegade
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To: American_Centurion
OMG see these links under latest projects!

John's Latest Projects

Loftus explores Bush-Nazi scandal (posted 12/11/03) Loftus Views on Secrecy: In response to a coded note from an anonymous spy

CNN Interview: Convicted Spy Challenges Life Term - 9/2/03 (posted 10/7/03)

Why Loftus serves on pro-Muslim boards

Palast article on Bush Sr - Al Qaeda coverup (posted 8/17/03) The Truth About Jonathan Pollard (posted 8/17/03)

Pipeline of Hatred: Presentation of interest about Anti-Semitism

Read a review on John's Book "The Secret War Against the Jews"

Loftus vindicated by Al Arian arrest - 2/20/03

John's Press Release on the Saudis

What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11

28 posted on 02/15/2004 8:52:26 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
First of all Loftus is a democrat.

Loftus is suing Saudi Arabia on behalf of some WTC victims. Therefore, every trail he finds always leads to Saudi Arabia.

He is often incorrect in his pronouncements.

29 posted on 02/15/2004 8:52:39 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I guess they are using the term generically?
30 posted on 02/15/2004 8:52:42 AM PST by WHBates
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To: steve50
We (the US and the Brits) were supposedly tapping the UN during the run up to the war with Iraq too.
31 posted on 02/15/2004 8:53:05 AM PST by u-89
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I thought most of the British Secret Service has assylum in Russia.
32 posted on 02/15/2004 8:53:16 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Why do we/you have two threads going currently about this matter?

Would you please ask the Lead Admin. to fix this?
33 posted on 02/15/2004 8:53:25 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: hobson
Fox is trolling the gutters to appear "fair and balanced" or their news director has lost his mind.
34 posted on 02/15/2004 8:54:12 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: All
I'm confused....

This is a rumor, an allegation..and Fox runs with it.

The Kerry rumor is just a rumor so they don't run with it...

et tu Fox?

35 posted on 02/15/2004 8:54:39 AM PST by sofaman
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Apologies - two threads - two different Freepers.
36 posted on 02/15/2004 8:54:49 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
John Loftus serves on a pro-muslim board and from reading his website, he is not very pro-Bush.
37 posted on 02/15/2004 8:55:27 AM PST by elimination
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
If this is true, it had better be because the people involved are suspected of treason. If it isn't true, then FNC better bloody well find out who started this smear and why. And doesn't this qualify as a rumor, anyway? Didn't FNC just get through making perfectly clear on its Sunday show that FNC is not in the business of investigating rumor?
38 posted on 02/15/2004 8:56:17 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Renegade
And I suppose the missing FBI files with the Hildebeast's prints on them wasn't Watergate material ??

Why would you suppose that. Unauthorized access to information would certainly be a crime in my book. I'm really getting tired of the "they all do it" routine tho. Is the only purpose of politics to place the party each side thinks is slightly less corrupt than the other in office?

39 posted on 02/15/2004 8:56:29 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Sounds like conspiracy bullshit, to me.
40 posted on 02/15/2004 8:56:39 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Peach; Hillary's Lovely Legs; Admin Moderator
Why do we/you have two threads going currently about this matter? Would you please ask the Lead Admin. to fix this?

Agreed. Can we consolidate the threads? They are both moving quickly and it's difficult to follow both.

41 posted on 02/15/2004 8:57:18 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: dirtboy
Echelon in the UK monitors all US calls.

Echelon doesn't monitor voice, it monitors data.

42 posted on 02/15/2004 8:57:29 AM PST by killjoy
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I think this is common (having a foreign government spy on American citizens to get around constitutional and legal considerations). I don't think there is anything illegal about it. Why would anyone object to the government violating no laws?
43 posted on 02/15/2004 8:57:36 AM PST by templar
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To: American_Centurion
Thanks for posting the web site!! A short examination reveals this Loftus to bee a slimeball with a tin foil hat.
44 posted on 02/15/2004 8:57:55 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: u-89
We (the US and the Brits) were supposedly tapping the UN during the run up to the war with Iraq too.

I hear the Brits are trying to put that whistleblower in jail. Seems reporting the crime is a more serious matter than performing it.

45 posted on 02/15/2004 8:58:20 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: mewzilla
BTW, I think the sudden deluge of all this expletive-deleted makes it pretty clear to anyone with any brains at all that John Kerry is in some pretty deep kimchee.
46 posted on 02/15/2004 8:58:47 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: sinkspur
No the government would never bug its opponents. Of coursse not!
47 posted on 02/15/2004 8:58:48 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: steve50; All
Just so you know, Loftus thinks the Bush family is filled with Nazis and he also works with Bob Fertik, a known Clintonite...just want to give a bit of perspective here.
48 posted on 02/15/2004 8:58:53 AM PST by Wait4Truth
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To: killjoy
Echelon doesn't monitor voice, it monitors data.

It monitors both:

Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat to the privacy of people all over the world. According to these reports, ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.

49 posted on 02/15/2004 8:59:26 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: WHBates
o the Brits have such a thing called a secret service?? sounds odd to me.

He is talking about GCHQ. They are very good at what they do. They are the British version of the American NSA.

50 posted on 02/15/2004 8:59:40 AM PST by killjoy
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