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Proposed law would let Hawaiians dine with pets
AP ^ | Wednesday, February 18, 2004

Posted on 02/20/2004 11:43:02 AM PST by presidio9

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Cpl. Rita Levergood and her husband disagree whether four-legged members of their family should be able to join them out to dinner. The state, however, is clear: It's against the law.

A state senator's proposal going before a Department of Health committee this week would make it easier for animal lovers like Levergood to dine out with the pets they say are like family.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: animalrights
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1 posted on 02/20/2004 11:43:02 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Suppose two dogs spy the same pork chop bone at the same time? ;-D
2 posted on 02/20/2004 11:46:31 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: Judith Anne
Of more immediate concern is avoiding resteraunts that feature kimchi on the menu.
3 posted on 02/20/2004 11:55:42 AM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: presidio9
Does anybody have that story about the couple that brought their pooch into a chinese restaurant, and it wound being fed to them by mistake? It really belongs here.
4 posted on 02/20/2004 12:01:10 PM PST by BykrBayb (Temporary tagline. Applied to State of New Jersey for permanent tagline (12/24/03).)
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To: presidio9
This would be an excellent development, in my opinion. Hopefully, good pet owners will act responsibly and keep our dogs well-behaved in such settings.
5 posted on 02/20/2004 12:01:51 PM PST by alwaysconservative (If a decorated firefighter becomes an arsonist, is he still considered a hero? Aldrich)
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To: alwaysconservative
I would love to fill up the Dread Boston Salty with gas-producing food (so any food), take him to the neighborhood Starbucks where all the soccer moms hang out, and let him do his thing. He'd have the place methaned out in no time.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 12:03:37 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: presidio9
When I first started reading the title I thought it might be, "Proposed law would let Hawaiians marry their pets."

Cordially,

7 posted on 02/20/2004 12:06:21 PM PST by Diamond
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To: presidio9
This is so unfair, what about pet cats, snakes, gerbils, hamsters, chickens, cows, horses. And all these darn restaurants should provide what is needed to facilitate these various pets. Remember in the old days when they actually used to make people tie up their horses OUTSIDE the saloon! How evil this was, to make the horse stay outside, in the cold rain, snow, whatever. People who call themselves pet owners and are so evil as to leave their pets home alone should have their pets removed. There are good homes for these animals where they will be taken with the owners, everywhere the owner goes. (sarcasm)
8 posted on 02/20/2004 12:14:20 PM PST by Esther Ruth (Meow)
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To: alwaysconservative
"This would be an excellent development, in my opinion. Hopefully, good pet owners will act responsibly and keep our dogs well-behaved in such settings."

You are kidding, right?
9 posted on 02/20/2004 12:16:18 PM PST by MarkDel
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To: presidio9
I thought, at first, that this was a story about Korean cuisine.
10 posted on 02/20/2004 12:17:40 PM PST by Redcloak (íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO! íLIBERE EL QUESO!)
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To: presidio9
Youre already eating with pets (wild animals that is) if you eat at a restaurant in Hawaii that allows you to sit under the stars.

If you ever go to Honolulu its hard to miss all the wild felines that seem to roam everywhere. Not to mention the geckos.

At least thats been my experience.
11 posted on 02/20/2004 12:22:39 PM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: presidio9
"Excuse me sir, is that fly in your soup your pet???"
12 posted on 02/20/2004 12:25:57 PM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR McCARTHY!!!!)
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To: Xenalyte
LOL! They bring such joy to our lives in so many ways. . .(grin!)
13 posted on 02/20/2004 12:25:59 PM PST by alwaysconservative (If a decorated firefighter becomes an arsonist, is he still considered a hero? Aldrich)
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To: MarkDel
Nope.
14 posted on 02/20/2004 12:27:11 PM PST by alwaysconservative (If a decorated firefighter becomes an arsonist, is he still considered a hero? Aldrich)
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To: MarkDel
Pets are already allowed in restaurants in France. Children are not. Reason? The pets are far better behaved and much less disruptive than children.

Know what? I agree.

15 posted on 02/20/2004 12:27:36 PM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: doberville
That post just BEGS for a cheese eating surrender monkey remark...
16 posted on 02/20/2004 12:30:52 PM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: alwaysconservative
Salty's so potent, Xena's Dad has nicknamed him the Methane Marauder. I could live without quite so much of that kind of enrichment . . . but the big puppy kisses and the snuggling make it more than worthwhile.
17 posted on 02/20/2004 12:36:49 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: presidio9
Oh, brother.
18 posted on 02/20/2004 12:40:04 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: presidio9
Hopefully the REPUBLICAN governor, Linda Lingle, will veto this nonsense. What a waste of time.
19 posted on 02/20/2004 12:40:45 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Xenalyte
Ours probably could strip wallpaper after being fed "people food", which is one of the reasons she never gets any people food. "Methane Marauder", though, LOL, we'll have to remember that one!
20 posted on 02/20/2004 12:43:47 PM PST by alwaysconservative (If a decorated firefighter becomes an arsonist, is he still considered a hero? Aldrich)
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To: presidio9
Cpl. Rita Levergood and her husband...

Two Hawaiian imbeciles who would have to be straitjacketed and shoved into a padded cell if they dined on three-finger poi that had been pureed from their faithful pooch!

21 posted on 02/20/2004 12:44:24 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Diamond
When I first started reading the title I thought it might be, "Proposed law would let Hawaiians marry their pets." Cordially,

It's only a small slide down the slippery slope. First they're taking them out to dinner. Then they're kissing them goodnight. Then they're sleeping with them. Sooner or later they'll want to marry them.

22 posted on 02/20/2004 12:44:27 PM PST by VRWCmember (Dick Gephardt is a <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure </a>)
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To: Judith Anne
Ah yes.

But - it is still FINE DINING Surrender Monkey style - with faithful Fido - or is that Phydeaux - at his feet and mercifully free of drooling, sticky-handeded unruly Rugrats!!

Vive la fromage!!

23 posted on 02/20/2004 12:44:32 PM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: Redcloak
I thought, at first, that this was a story about Korean cuisine.

Same here. I lived in Maui a few years back. The County Dog Pound was on a country road between the two big towns of Kahului and Kihei. They had an outdoor cage with a one-way door for after-hours drop-offs of strays or unwanted pets. It was discovered that the locals, mostly Filipinos, treated this as an animal pick-up point. The Sheriff said that they gave the term: "Wokking the dog." a whole new meaning.

24 posted on 02/20/2004 12:47:28 PM PST by DJtex
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To: doberville
Yup, that's correct. In France, it's quite common for someone to go eat out on their own, and on several occasions I've seen people eating alone with their dogs sleeping at their feet. I mind that much less than I do some snot-nosed 10-year-old whining to mommy because he doesn't like the menu.
25 posted on 02/20/2004 12:49:05 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: presidio9
I wouldn't want to bring my dog to a Filipino restaurant. When I lived there the Filipino's were trying to overturn the law against eating dog. They said it discriminated against their culture. That was in '91-'94 in Maui.
26 posted on 02/20/2004 12:51:35 PM PST by CajunConservative
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To: doberville
There are responsible and irresponsible parents, as well as responsible and irresponsible pet owners. Britain also is very dog-friendly, especially in pubs.
27 posted on 02/20/2004 12:53:02 PM PST by alwaysconservative (If a decorated firefighter becomes an arsonist, is he still considered a hero? Aldrich)
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To: Judith Anne
"Proposed law would let Hawaiians dineSan Franciscans marry with pets"

My first thought on seein the headline.

28 posted on 02/20/2004 12:53:21 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Diamond
When I first started reading the title I thought it might be, "Proposed law would let Hawaiians marry their pets."

I actually misread it as "Proposed law would let Hawaiians dine on pets."

29 posted on 02/20/2004 12:56:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Xenalyte
Our Lab is the Ferocious Farter. It's been so bad at times that she's gotten up and moved because she couldn't stand the smell (even though it came from her). She's moved the bar for "Silent but Deadly" very very high.

LQ
30 posted on 02/20/2004 12:56:22 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen
Any kind of highly processed carbs with sugar content will do it for my mutt. She gets embarassed, gets that uh-oh look.
31 posted on 02/20/2004 1:02:27 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: LizardQueen
Sipping wine and enjoying the moment and you glance over and see a Boxer licking his privates. Completes the evening. My daughter has a female lab that drools steadily if she watches someone eat. The egg white slime reaches 7 or 8" at times. Leaving Fido at home would be kind to all.
32 posted on 02/20/2004 1:03:03 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: July 4th
Yes indeed. In fact, instead of smoking vs/ non-smoking, I wish there were NO CHILDREN sections.

Ditto on planes. Oh, boy. The stories I could tell. . .

33 posted on 02/20/2004 1:27:26 PM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: oldironsides
Actually, I've recently thought of opening up a "doggie diner", someplace where owners can come with their pets. Unfortunately it's illegal here too.

I in no waythink that all restaurants should be forced to admit animals. Most wouldn't want to, for the reason you mentioned.
But for dog owners who understand and can deal with the privates-licking, butt-sniffing, drooling, and farting it would be nice to have a place to go out with the furkid. An outdoor bar and grill type place would be a lot of fun.

The cat people would either need to deal with it or open their own place ::grin::

LQ
34 posted on 02/20/2004 1:28:16 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen
A few weeks ago we walked out of a restaurant after I had been in the ladies' room with an employee who used the facilites and didn't wash her hands before she left. And people are worried about dog germs...
35 posted on 02/20/2004 1:31:01 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: presidio9
When they say "fried lice" they're not kidding . . . . . .
36 posted on 02/20/2004 2:51:52 PM PST by Contra
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To: doberville
Pets are allowed...children are not...yeah, that pretty much sums up the French.

I'll make a deal with you dog owners. You guys are allowed to bring your dog wherever you like, legally, but the first time it tries to bite me or my children, I am legally allowed to whip out my Glock and blow off its freaking head...deal?

I'm not even going to attempt to argue hygeine issues, privacy issues or anything else that should be painfully obvious to you people, because if I have learned anything at all over the years, it's that the only people more unreasonable than Environmentalists are extreme Animal lovers, so I know attempts at rational discussion are pointless.

When I hear that you can bring a dog into a public place, but not a human child...all I can think of is that it sounds like a Monty Python skit instead of reality.
37 posted on 02/20/2004 3:25:06 PM PST by MarkDel
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To: presidio9
I have two labs who sit and watch me eat. They usually whine and drool alot. I wouldn't dream of taking them to a restaurant.
38 posted on 02/20/2004 3:27:29 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Gwell Angau Na Chywilydd)
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To: MarkDel
At Bill's Cafe on Willow Street in San Jose, there was never much of a problem with the dogs sitting next to their owners on the patio, until the city caught wind of it.
39 posted on 02/20/2004 3:33:56 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: doberville; All
Shalom!

I agree with you.

My Shih Tzu is better behaved than most "kids" I know.

My husband and I were traveling through New Hampshire in 1996, it was a very hot summer day, we were exhausted and needed to eat and have a cold soda.

The only place that we could find was a very nice Jewish Deli, I asked the waitresses if we could bring in our Puppy as it was way too Hot to leave her in the car (which we NEVER would leave her in the car anyway).

They agreed to let her sit with us...Not a Problem.

Everyone was very accomodating, and we gave the waitress a very nice tip.

40 posted on 02/20/2004 4:19:33 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: MarkDel
Look, I've got children - grandchildren, too. Children are messy, noisy and unreasonable. So, their 'eating out' was largly confinded to child-friendly, child oriented chains until they developed manners.

The restaurants in Paris are DINING establishments. It is understood by all that young children do not enhance the dining experience. End of subject.

OTOH, in the US, they have not mastered that concept. Rude, unmannerly, uncontrolled and unmanagable human progeny are EVERYWHERE - even in the most expensive of restaurants. I resent them intruding into ADULT territory, unasked and unwanted. Sorry.

Do you really believe that your toddler is that much CLEANER than your dog?

41 posted on 02/20/2004 4:48:10 PM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: presidio9
Swell. As if it's not enough to put up with dumb waiters, rude customers and their snot nosed kids, we get their animals, too.

Hmmmmm...Most marriages happen because of a dinner date, next someone will want to marry their pets.......and we thought San Francisco was bad. People are scaring me now.

42 posted on 02/20/2004 5:01:27 PM PST by AuntB (End all entitlements EXCEPT the military.)
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To: oldironsides
"that drools steadily if she watches someone eat. The egg white slime reaches 7 or 8" at times."

I think that description has permanently destroyed my appetite.

43 posted on 02/20/2004 5:05:31 PM PST by AuntB (End all entitlements EXCEPT the military.)
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To: presidio9
In Massachusetts, we can marry our pets.
44 posted on 02/20/2004 5:08:38 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: MarkDel
Allowing pets into restaurants is prevalent throughout Europe. It is even more popular in Germany than France. I hope the practice expands from Hawaii to the rest of the country.
45 posted on 02/20/2004 5:14:22 PM PST by kabar
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To: presidio9
Dining with pets in public resturants is common in Europe.

(so what)

46 posted on 02/20/2004 5:32:15 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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To: Simcha7
I had a Shih Tzu named Taffy. She was a wonderful animal, but a little aggressive at the dinner table.
47 posted on 02/20/2004 5:40:52 PM PST by ladylib
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To: doberville
Doberville,

Yes, but does a noisy 5-year old bite or maul anyone?

Look, how about if I brought my incredibly well trained 1000-pound Gorilla with me into the restuarant and sat him down next to your table. He's never attacked anyone, but let's say for whatever reason, he takes a dislike to you and begins to growl at you in a menacing fashion. How do you suppose that would enhance your dining experience? Well, that's what has happened to me in the past when some inconsiderate jerk brings their dog into a public area like a restaurant. And the really goofy part is that if your dog attacked me and I shot and killed it, you and others would be screaming to send me to prison.

This is amazing...this thread is truly depressing. I thought only leftists were inconsiderate enough to do something like bring a dog into a public restaurant. What's next, you guys gonna tell me that the lawsuits against the cigarette companies made sense, or that gun owners should be sued for selling guns to murderers...so I can't smoke in a bar, but you can bring your dog...yeah, that makes sense.
48 posted on 02/21/2004 6:07:32 AM PST by MarkDel
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To: MarkDel
Excellent post.
You can't smoke, but you can bring your dog into a bar? That's insane.

When I lived in Germany, it was common to see dogs in neighborhood taverns. They were locals, and the dogs were well-behaved (no nasty pitbulls with equally-crazed people on the other end of the leash). But it was still weird.

My little dog doesn't like to dine out of the house, anyways. She thinks I'm taking her to the vet and gets hysterical if we approach the station wagon!

49 posted on 02/21/2004 6:17:22 AM PST by My Dog Likes Me
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To: My Dog Likes Me
My Dog Likes Me,

I'll give you another great example of how crazy this "animal business" is going. In San Francisco, a person can buy a ticket for his dog and sit him in a seat next to you at a baseball game!!! So I have to sit there and smell this ANIMAL and let him drool right next to me while I'm trying to enjoy a game, maybe eat some hot dogs, drink a beer, etc...

Like I said, the world is becoming a bad Monty Python skit...
50 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:16 AM PST by MarkDel
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