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Deaniacs for Bush
WSJ.com ^ | 2/20/04 | James Taranto

Posted on 02/20/2004 3:16:13 PM PST by swilhelm73

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"I have to vent," Mr. McEntee, the often blunt leader of the nation's largest public service union, said in a leisurely interview in his office here. "I think he's nuts." . . .

"I go to Burlington, and I meet with him," Mr. McEntee said. "I'm telling you, I threw more ice water on his head in about 25 minutes than probably he has ever had. And I said: 'Don't do Wisconsin, O.K.? Don't go in.' I told him to get out. I said, 'You can't win.' "


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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; dean; deaniacs; gwb2004

1 posted on 02/20/2004 3:16:13 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
It's only fair of them to return the favor, considering how many of us wanted Dean to win the nomination.
2 posted on 02/20/2004 3:19:08 PM PST by Timesink (Smacky is power.)
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To: Timesink
I say no b/c they will turn the party more to where bush is heading, Democratic.
3 posted on 02/20/2004 3:20:03 PM PST by Afro_conservative
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To: swilhelm73
WSJ jipping blogs for content ?
4 posted on 02/20/2004 3:21:07 PM PST by ChadGore (Viva Bush. He's EARNED a second term.)
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To: swilhelm73
All right, who was trolling over there? No Deaniac is sane enough to vote for Bush.
5 posted on 02/20/2004 3:28:31 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Republican Party's job is to win elections. It's our job to change minds.)
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To: Afro_conservative
Moby, is that you?
6 posted on 02/20/2004 3:37:03 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Uh no I am not NOby, I don't want more amnesty and more prescription drug socialist programs on the count that we get some maniac dean votes, stick to your guns.
7 posted on 02/20/2004 3:40:11 PM PST by Afro_conservative
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To: Afro_conservative
It isn't amnesty. Keep in mind that the Democrats probably told the Mexicans that it was and that is why they are coming.

Also, I'm for the prescription drug program. I'm getting near retirement and I don't want to have to pay the exhorbitant drug prices. My max dollars out of pocket is $1,300 for LIFE and that includes if I get some lifelong disease.

Right now I pay for lots of Democrat welfare and get zero (nada , zilch) for that money.
8 posted on 02/20/2004 3:43:12 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
wouldn't you rather have had the money you paid into for Medicare/Medicaid etc. and invest it and pay for it yourself that way by the time you are elderly you can pay for it yourself and have a little more for something else. People should have the choice if they want those benefits, they shouldn't be robbed by the Government for something I might not use.
9 posted on 02/20/2004 3:46:47 PM PST by Afro_conservative
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To: Afro_conservative
Oh come on now. It's not like there's actually a lot of them. They're doing this only to try to spite the liberal establishment that abandoned "their guy".
10 posted on 02/20/2004 3:50:16 PM PST by Tempest (Sigh.. ....)
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To: Afro_conservative
That's why I'm so glad to see Medical Savings Accounts as part of President Bush's Medicare Reform.
It will save me at least $700 annually.
11 posted on 02/20/2004 3:57:18 PM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: Afro_conservative
You missed the point...I am already elderly. And I've paid taxes all my life and social security benefits and got zero for it. I've never collected unemployment. I've been employed since I was 21.

The government has done nothing for me. So now that I'm old, I don't want to lose all I have to pay a hospital bill. With this new prescription plan, I do not have to fear a long-term illness and the high cost of drugs. I only have to hold back $1,300 to pay for drugs. After that, 100%.

This plan makes sense. You aren't paying for me. I paid for myself over all the years the government did nothing for me.
12 posted on 02/20/2004 4:01:26 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
I understand what you are saying, but I meant when you where in your twenties you would probably appreciate having that money as I do b/c I am rather young.
13 posted on 02/20/2004 4:05:14 PM PST by Afro_conservative
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To: swilhelm73
Ironically, we also have a large contingent of spite voters here on FR. To wit:

"If Bush doesn't change his policy on ____________, I will not vote for him in November." (choose one)

a) immigration
b) limiting federal spending
c) education
d) prescription drugs
e) the trade deficit
f) outsourcing jobs
g) my pet issue du jour
h) whatever other people are complaining about
i) all of the above

Considering how rampant it is around here, it's not surprising to see it there.
14 posted on 02/20/2004 4:18:00 PM PST by Imal (I want the same anti-virus software hackers use to protect their own computers.)
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To: Afro_conservative
Sign for Deaneacs at Bush's door reads:

'Sorry, you flunked the rational/common-sense part of the exam. Now run. Go away.'
15 posted on 02/20/2004 4:18:55 PM PST by BluSky (“Don’t make me come down there.”)
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To: Afro_conservative
My company offers this now (not the government). I only have 5 years credit...not enough to cover one hospital stay unfortunately.
16 posted on 02/20/2004 4:19:29 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: Imal
Can I copy this and repeat it every time I see the "I'm not going to vote for George Bush because.." statements here on Free Republic?

They sound just like the Deaniacs.
17 posted on 02/20/2004 4:21:11 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
The elderly is the wealthiest segment of the population. 75% of them already have drug coverage. The free-drugs-for-granny-bill should be for the truly needy only.
18 posted on 02/20/2004 4:24:14 PM PST by petercooper (America - your problems aren't your fault, they're someone else's.)
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To: petercooper
I might truly be needy...that's the point.

When I am, I want this prescription drug program available to me. I do not want to wipe out my life's savings with one illness.

I think you are forgetting the millions of grannies and grandpas (many of whom fought for your freedom) that deserve not to be wiped out by high medical costs.

Why do we have high medical costs? Not because of what granny and grandpa did. You can that the lawyers like John Edwards and the doctors who overcharge for their services.



19 posted on 02/20/2004 4:29:44 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Exactly- John Edwards and his fellow trial lawyers running up BS litigation.

Yes, if you are truly needy it s/b available, but not if you're tooling around in a new Caddy Deville.
20 posted on 02/20/2004 4:32:02 PM PST by petercooper (America - your problems aren't your fault, they're someone else's.)
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To: petercooper
I think you and I agree.



21 posted on 02/20/2004 4:36:13 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Please do. The nuisance of one-issue primadonnas needs to be addressed.

If something isn't done about them, I won't vote for Bush.
22 posted on 02/20/2004 4:37:23 PM PST by Imal (The metaphor is a literary white elephant.)
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To: swilhelm73

23 posted on 02/20/2004 4:45:29 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Imal
The latest would most likely be (g) du jour.Today a Christian conservative group is upset because Pres Bush has not publicly taken a stand against the San Francisco gay marriage fiasco. And how can he expect their vote if he doesn't do so? All of these groups need to rethink their attitudes. They are not doing Pres Bush a favor by voting for him. He is generally on their side, with perhaps a different approach to an issue, and they throw him out at their own peril. It is their own hides at risk and George Bush is the only leader I can see doing what has to be done to save America from domination by the socialist, communist, UN. Will John Kerry or John Edwards keep our enemies at bay? Now theres a joke. We should all be thankful that we have Pres Bush willing to go for another term and we must do everything in our power to get him reelected. I say welcome, Deaniacs, the freedom you save will be your own.
24 posted on 02/20/2004 4:59:34 PM PST by mountainfolk
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To: Timesink
Whats funny is these deaniacs are so smitten with Howie that they thought we were turning our backs on Bush and falling in love with Dean! LOL. They were so happy with all the Republicans who finally saw the light. These people are obsessed with Dean. I don't know how many funerals they've had in DU. LOL
25 posted on 02/20/2004 5:02:16 PM PST by beckysueb (Lady Liberty is in danger! Bush/Cheney 04.)
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To: mountainfolk
I agree. Anyone willing to join us will be treated as friend, not foe. Bush is not perfect, not even close. But I'm not crazy. BUSH 2004.
26 posted on 02/20/2004 5:11:28 PM PST by Luke21 (oldberg)
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To: ChadGore
WSJ jipping blogs for content ?

Taranto does "Best of the Web" every day and sometimes he hits on an interesting blog. I have it delivered to my email daily, it's worthwhile reading :-)

27 posted on 02/20/2004 6:07:18 PM PST by Tamzee (PhilDragoo says... Senator Kerry for Information Minister!)
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To: BushisTheMan
Actually, you paid for all those who were already using the programs. There is no "trust fund", there is no account with the many dollars you paid waiting for you to collect. It's called a Ponzi scheme, and as long as there are many payers for each payee, it works great. But the boomers are too big a group of payees for the payers to support.
So yes, I and Afro_conservative will have to pay for the benefits you use. And so the cycle continues, and I am ready to retire, I can kvetch about all the money I paid so now I'm the one who's entitled to someone else's money.

This is why entitlement programs will NEVER die.
28 posted on 02/20/2004 6:11:17 PM PST by m1911
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To: Imal
LOL!
29 posted on 02/20/2004 6:38:24 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: m1911
Why do you think I have been paying social security benefits all my life? To give them to you when you get old? Don't think so. I paid for them; I plan to use them.
30 posted on 02/21/2004 2:17:44 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: Imal
LOL

I'll add that one to the list too.
31 posted on 02/21/2004 2:18:57 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: m1911
I might have posted too early. I think you were agreeing with me.
32 posted on 02/21/2004 2:21:49 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
I'm using mine and yours, too. :):)
33 posted on 02/21/2004 2:35:48 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: mountainfolk
When it finally comes down to it, most of those threatening to jump ship or sit on their hands will be unable to.

Having been a one-issue primadonna myself (type RKBA-1, of the species molonus labeus), I believe I have some insights into the mentality.

Anyone who cares as much as they do about their pet issue will find it impossible step aside and let others decide it for them. The passion that drives them to complain will also drive them to vote, since ultimately, the vote is the most potent form of complaint.

Even the purest idealist must indulge in a little pragmatism now and then.

34 posted on 02/21/2004 8:12:32 PM PST by Imal (I include an implied smiley at the end of every post.)
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To: Imal
Considering how rampant it is around here, it's not surprising to see it there.

They share the same mindset.

35 posted on 02/21/2004 8:15:02 PM PST by Consort
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To: Samwise
ROFL! That is just too doggone cruel...
36 posted on 02/21/2004 8:19:29 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: BushisTheMan
No, I'm afraid I wasn't agreeing with you. Your money is gone, given to the millions of seniors and disabled Americans who came before you. The only way they can pay you the money you want is to take it from me and others who are still working. And when I retire, my money will have already been spent to pay you and others, so someone else will have to pay for me. The cycle never ends, at least as long as there are enough payers to cover the costs without breaking their backs. I suspect by the time I retire, that point will have passed. Oh well, at least I can feel good about not having any savings because I had to pay for your retirement, right?
37 posted on 02/22/2004 5:45:17 PM PST by m1911
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To: m1911
You aren't paying for my retirement. I paid into a "government" plan for my retirement. Where the money comes from, I don't know or care. My money went in for me, it should come out for me.

It the system is broken, don't blame me or refuse me the benefits I paid for.
38 posted on 02/23/2004 8:36:30 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
You may want to read what the Social Security Administration themselves have to say about it:

Q: Does Social Security have dedicated assets invested for my retirement?

A: Social Security is largely a "pay-as-you-go" system with today's taxpayers paying for the benefits of today's retirees. Money not needed to pay today's benefits is invested in special-issue Treasury bonds.

Q: I hear that Social Security has a big financial problem? Why?

Social Security's financing problems are long term and will not affect today's retirees and near-retirees, but they are very large and serious. People are living longer, the first baby boomers are five years from retirement, and the birth rate is low. The result is that the worker-to-beneficiary ratio has fallen from 16-to-1 in 1950 to 3.3-to-1 today. Within 40 years it will be 2-to-1. At this ratio there will not be enough workers to pay scheduled benefits at current tax rates.


Since you don't care where the money comes from, I doubt the fact that Social Security had to be given a special exemption from the racketeering laws because it is a Ponzi scheme, which would be illegal for anyone but the government, bothers you. With your cavalier attitude toward the source of money, are you sure you're not a Democratic fund-raiser?
39 posted on 02/23/2004 6:52:56 PM PST by m1911
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To: m1911
Well, I paid for other retirees, and the young people can pay for me. That's how the system was set up and that's how it works now.

You seem to act like I've not done my share for others and that I'm trying to get a free ride (a la DemoRATs). I'm a tax paying, law abiding citizens who is about to retire.

Do you think I should be screwed over for the young people today who don't give a crap about anybody but themselves?

Don't call me a Democrat...those are fighting words!
40 posted on 02/24/2004 10:01:03 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
You don't care that it will take a larger bite of the young people's pay than it took of yours, but they're the ones who "don't give a crap about anyone but themselves"?

I'm not complaining about you getting "your share". I'm complaining because I get to pay "your share" and the chances are very good that the system will be dead (or the benefits will be even more of a joke than they already are) by the time I retire. So from my point of view, you're just another guy with his hand out.

So enjoy your retirement, but don't expect that those young people you call selfish are going to thank you when you take money they will never see again.
41 posted on 02/25/2004 6:07:00 PM PST by m1911
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