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I Cannot Publish the New Yorker Article, but I can Publish the Link About the Passion Critique
mlmr | 02. | DAVID DENBY

Posted on 02/23/2004 7:58:27 AM PST by mlmr

Jim, I just read the Conde Nast Letter to FR requesting us not to exerpt or publish from their publications. I hope this is addressed. In the meantime it does not say I cannot link to an article for discussion and I think this is an importnat enough article to discuss and for interested freepers to see. If I am wrong in linking, I apologize, and pull the thread.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?040301crci_cinema


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; condenast; moviereview; newyorker; passion
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To: mlmr
By embracing the Roman pageant so openly, using all the emotional resources of cinema, Gibson has cancelled out the redemptive and transfiguring power of art.

Bulloney. "By embracing the Roman pageant so openly" Gibson presents the truth about The Truth, bringing to life the scale of His sacrifice. There is no higher praise for a film of this kind than the pope's comment that "it is as it was."

Additionally, it is right of Mel to "dwell" on the last hours of Jesus' death since the Passion is at the heart of Christianity, along with the Trinity and the Incarnation.

21 posted on 02/23/2004 8:31:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: CaptainK
Wow! That explains a lot.
22 posted on 02/23/2004 8:35:46 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Please ping folks you think would be interested.
23 posted on 02/23/2004 8:38:37 AM PST by mlmr (Everything is getting better and better!)
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To: mlmr
Not once does the author make the connection that Jesus Christ bore those stripes for him, for me, for everyone. If you watch the movie, see what kind of tortures the God who loves you is willing to endure to spend enternity with you, and still spit on God and His love, then nothing will move you. It's a BRUTAL portrayal because . . . THATS HOW IT WAS! Perhaps those caught up in their worldlieness have ahard time stomaching the idea of a God - not just a "good man" - A GOD allowing himself to be killed as such? No wonder they criticize the "violence". God may have brought a message of love, but He certainly wasn't all "warm and fuzzy" and neither was his death. If you don't want to see what how God died, don't go.
25 posted on 02/23/2004 8:39:48 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: CaptainK
If his review is any indication, congratulations to his wife for leaving him. Why did it take 18 years?
26 posted on 02/23/2004 8:39:54 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: mlmr
This is all good. Lots of people will be seen with a new clarity by lots of other people. I think this will lead to lower subscription rates for some and higher for others. Less money in Hollywood and east coast rags is always a good thing.
27 posted on 02/23/2004 8:43:55 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: mlmr
.. But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities. The
chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and with His stripes we are healed. .
28 posted on 02/23/2004 8:43:56 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: mlmr; Jim Robinson
To: Sidebar Moderator

Will do Jim. Jim do you have a theory of why CN and others are against the free marketplace of ideas?

That was addressed to me, but I can't speak for JimRob. Ping!

29 posted on 02/23/2004 8:44:55 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: stop_fascism
'Tora! Tora! Tora! fuels anti-Japanese sentiment.'

I painted a Japanese Zero on the roof of my house and bought an anti-aircraft gun because of Tora! Tora! Tora!

The Japs are just faking weakness, so they hit us from behind when we are not looking!
30 posted on 02/23/2004 8:45:45 AM PST by RockChucker
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To: CaptainK

Here's the URL of Denby (above) pontificating on PBS about the making of the Titanic.

www.pbs.org/.../july-dec97/ titanic_12-22.html

31 posted on 02/23/2004 8:50:35 AM PST by Liz
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To: mlmr
are akin to the bloody Pop representation of Jesus found in, say, a roadside shrine in Mexico, where the addition of an Aztec sacrificial flourish makes the passion a little more passionate.

Hope the multiculturalists don't read this review.

32 posted on 02/23/2004 8:52:14 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Liz
Denby has dead looking eyes. He looks like a libertine.
33 posted on 02/23/2004 8:54:15 AM PST by mlmr (Everything is getting better and better!)
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To: mlmr
Opinion? This guy is an idiot. So is the lady(?) from the trib. Do any of "them" have a clue as to what Christianity actually is? If they do, they sure need a refresher course. Jesus went through hell on earth for us. I think this will make more people actually appreciate MORE how much He went through for us and how much He actually loved us all. I know I can always use reminders to keep me on the right path!
34 posted on 02/23/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by codyjacksmom
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To: Republic
Thank you.
35 posted on 02/23/2004 8:54:41 AM PST by eyespysomething (There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. JFK '71)
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To: stop_fascism
Hope the multiculturalists don't read this review.


Actually I thought that the movie Passion was omnicultural....as is the Bible.
36 posted on 02/23/2004 8:55:48 AM PST by mlmr (Everything is getting better and better!)
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To: mlmr
Meek & Mild?

Jesus came into this world to fufill His Father's will...and that was to be the perfect sacrifice for mankinds sins..

Jesus also did this WILLINGLY

Jesus was brutally beaten and tortured before he was nailed to a most excrutiatingly painfull
and drawn out lengthy death

He bore this pain..without complaint or crying cursing or anger....he stood up and took this
mental physical and emotion abuse without a wimper....

There has never been a man on earth....as manly as Jesus Christ

He did this that we might not have be divorced from God and thrown into Hellfire for Eternity

Jesus told His disciples...that all He (Jesus) had to do was ask....and His Father would send
a legion of angels to fight for Him (Jesus)

A legion of God's angels would have little problem...laying waste to the entire planet and not even work up a sweat

As mankind will find out soon enough....

37 posted on 02/23/2004 8:57:35 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
"Puh-lease! This movie will fuel anti-semitism in much the same way Tora! Tora! Tora! fuels anti-Japanese sentiment. If it does fuel hatred in you, then you already hated that race to begin with."

This is a load of "bull". What exactly is "HATE"? The business of "Hate" was there before Mel's movie.

Now what do you call removal of the Ten Commandments, giving sodomy a civil right, removing "God" from the pledge, perversion of the word and institution of "MARRIAGE", all of which is a "CHALLENGE TO CHRISTANITY".

You do not have to believe Christ, you also do not have the right to paint "HATE" upon those who do believe Christ.

38 posted on 02/23/2004 9:03:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: mlmr
Thanks for the link.

A very even-handed review, eh?
39 posted on 02/23/2004 9:03:53 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Liz; stop_fascism; Aquinasfan
This article is a better indicator of Denby's shallowness and sense of privilege

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A11639-2004Jan12&notFound=true
40 posted on 02/23/2004 9:06:42 AM PST by CaptainK
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