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I Cannot Publish the New Yorker Article, but I can Publish the Link About the Passion Critique
mlmr | 02. | DAVID DENBY

Posted on 02/23/2004 7:58:27 AM PST by mlmr

Jim, I just read the Conde Nast Letter to FR requesting us not to exerpt or publish from their publications. I hope this is addressed. In the meantime it does not say I cannot link to an article for discussion and I think this is an importnat enough article to discuss and for interested freepers to see. If I am wrong in linking, I apologize, and pull the thread.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?040301crci_cinema


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; condenast; moviereview; newyorker; passion
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To: Liz
LOL!
I'll get it copywrited!! :)
51 posted on 02/23/2004 9:34:27 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan ( "The Passion" If you loved the Book, you'll love the movie)
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To: Tooters
Hurry, and do it now.
52 posted on 02/23/2004 9:35:44 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
We have the example of the clintons and their perversion and two thirds of this nation supported them.

There does seem to be a commonality of morals throughout the majority in this nation.

The number of individuals, I have encountered claiming to be "Christian" that voted for clintons and algore is mind numbing.

I do believe that the liberals know that more of the majority do not take issue with morals and that really has them in a state of lunacy tossing to and fro, because they can't get their power back.

It appears that those who "CHALLENGE" Christianity are trying to hide their own lack of morals by seeking to make people "FEAR" being associated with anything positive about this movie makes them "ANTI".

Hollywood cannot not make the profits it does with only liberal, democrat dollars.
53 posted on 02/23/2004 9:36:34 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Lunatic Fringe
This movie will fuel anti-semitism in much the same way Tora! Tora! Tora! fuels anti-Japanese sentiment.

Or the way "Jaws" fueled anti-sharkism.

Ya know, it's funny those liberals. Will argue that there's no connection between video games or movies and violence, then claim a movie might actually provoke action. Almost sounds like they play both sides of the fence depending on the issue.

54 posted on 02/23/2004 9:52:50 AM PST by searchandrecovery (Justice is the final pillar to fall.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Have they now so overwhelmed you that they can unilaterally usurp the Fair Use provision of copyright law or are you just tired of fighting the ink-stained wretches?

Would you allow a review of their review?

55 posted on 02/23/2004 9:56:19 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Just mythoughts
The number of individuals, I have encountered claiming to be "Christian" that voted for clintons and algore is mind numbing.

An important point that speaks to the deception of the Clintons (that Christ warned about). Of course, many voters had the Clintons tagged from the getgo when they lied and lied on 60 Minutes. Then all of America found out the calculated deception of the Clintons while they were in office.

The Clintons calculatedly "ran" as centrists knowing they'd "act" as a liberal. Clinton knew from Mondale and Dukakis that liberals could not win and he teamed up with the Democratic Policy Council to gull voters into thinking he was not a liberal. He even dissed Sister Souljah to fool the electorate into thinking he was not beholden to minorities.....this came from what was later termed the Nation's First Black president.

Clinton also manipulated the religious vote by visibly going to church on Sundays toting a Bible....which must have killed him and the choice-salivating Hitlery.

As with all politicians, voters should look at what they do while in office and not at what they appear to be.

56 posted on 02/23/2004 10:18:16 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Very good points, reminds me of Paul's warning to the Church

IICorinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ, (Spiritual body)

3 But I fear by any means, as the serpent beguiled (holy seduced) Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
57 posted on 02/23/2004 2:30:17 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: mlmr
It looks to me like the smears about anti-semitism haven't worked, so now many film critics are going to attack this film for it's violent content. Suddenly, critics discover a violent film they don't like.

Well, at least Ebert, Roeper and even Peter Travers of Rolling Stone gave the film a positive review.

58 posted on 02/23/2004 3:17:10 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: Clintons a commie
If it is bad it is antisemetic
59 posted on 02/23/2004 4:11:34 PM PST by mlmr (Everything is getting better and better!)
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To: AD from SpringBay; Viking2002; Salem; Dubya; Geist Krieger; Happy2BMe; McGavin999; Saundra Duffy; ..
RE:

"...this will lead to lower subscription rates for some and higher for others.
 Less money in Hollywood and east coast rags is always a good thing."


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BIN-GO, AD!

And don't they know it?!

Does anyone still wonder why these "Heathen Rage" against the Passion so?

Just as it was during the Roman Empire, a lot of "profits" stand to be lost if any significant number of the sheeple see the Light, experience a spiritual awakening, and accept the Redeeming sacrifice of our Lord, thus entering into the Kingdom of God and Eternal Life.

For one thing, how much do you suppose the big South American Drug cartels are raking in a year?

They have no problem with kidnapping, torturing, and/or killing anyone who even threatens to compromise that market, do they?
  How do you suppose they will feel about Mr. Gibson if this work ignites a major revival in America - or across the World?  Do you think anyone who has tasted the Living Waters that flow from the Throne of God will ever want to go back to cocaine?  Sadly, a few do, actually - but not that many.
If 10 million addicts are empowered to break free of the chains of addiction, how do you suppose the profits of the cartels will be effected?  Do you suppose that the Warlords and Gang Bosses might be a little "upset"?

 How many leftist rags full of anti-Jewish and Christian heresy do you think will sell after such an awakening?

  And how many of the Converted will be lining up to watch Hollywood's' gross (really gross) "national product" any more?

  Does anyone have an idea how much money is being gleaned from the Pornography "industry"?  How about just it's "internet" tentacle alone?  Any guesses?

  I'll bet "Education" would like to share a tenth of that amount per year - maybe they'd let up on trying to tax working Americans into poverty "for the Children" just a little bit?  

  What is Las Vegas raking in each year now?

  How many sincere Believers in the Risen Christ will be hanging around the casinos any more, do you suppose?

  I wonder how the collection plates in all of these "enlightened" liberal political clubs that adorn themselves with the robe of ecclesiastical credibility and meet in a "Church" or "Synagogue" to advance their socialist political and social agenda while paying lip-service tribute to "religion" will fare?

  Do you think that after some of the Parishioners get smacked full square in the Soul with one of those "cloven tongues of Fire" from the Holy Spirit, that they will be hanging around a "church" where the Name of Jesus Christ has been carefully expunged from the liturgy and Hymnal so as not to "offend" anyone?

  Will Americas be paying tuition for their Born-Again Children to attend a college where Wiccan and Islam are celebrated, but the Name of Jesus Christ systematically suppressed and His followers persecuted?

    I'll bet that you can think of a few more of America's key institutions and wielders of great power and cultural influence that have been thoroughly infiltrated and taken over by the Darkness of late, who are not going to be at all pleased by any great moral / Spiritual Re-Awakening in our Culture.

    Oh; BTW; do you suppose that a person's view of personal and collective eternal accountability to an infinite, almighty GOD and their personal relationship with Him might effect the way they VOTE?

    Now your humble Correspondent, for one, does not presume for an instant that the person/s in control of these key institutions are so stupid as to not consider the possible consequences of such a sweeping Revival, nor of the potential of the "Passion" for instigating one.

    So does it come as any as any surprise that such a vitriolic attack on Mr. Gibson and his latest offering would be launched - or from whence it originates?

    Not in this corner of Maine, it doesn't!

Shalom;

"Uncle Jaque"

60 posted on 02/25/2004 9:25:11 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: mlmr
Moron. His screech isn't readable, it's so full of hatred and vindictive.
61 posted on 02/25/2004 9:33:49 AM PST by Timmy
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To: joesnuffy
RE:

"As mankind will find out soon enough.... "

I hear ye, js.

It's all lining up according to the Prophetic Plan, isn't it?

And it's going t be quite a blessing to be able to rejoice and welcome them, while all too many of our fellow Human Beings will be greeting the Holy Ones with the most profound and abject terror that a mortal Soul can possibly experience, imediately prior to their introduction to the Lake of Fire.

Now I'm no profound Theologan, but I have the distinct sense that there is to be a tremendous "Gathering In" immediately prior to the Rapture.

Could this be it?

Stay tuned.....

62 posted on 02/25/2004 9:47:29 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: mlmr; Victoria Delsoul; kstewskis; lonevoice; GirlShortstop; Dr. Scarpetta; formerDem; Jemian; ...
These people of the secular world just don't get it!

There really is a great divide about faith in this Country. People who don't see this faith filled movie as it is, have come to the movie with a completely different set of values.

Case in point; The Wisconsin State Journal this morning said although the film shows the suffering of Jesus, it doesn't show his compassion.

That is just stunning!

I also heard that a Jewish group was going to protest this movie this afternoon, wearing Concentration Camp outfits!

And their point is?...

63 posted on 02/25/2004 10:11:03 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Freedom needs a soldier...)
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To: Northern Yankee
BTW...The protest of this particular Jewish group was going to take place at one of the movie theaters in New York City!
64 posted on 02/25/2004 11:10:43 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Freedom needs a soldier...)
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To: Republic; eyespysomething
I cry whenever I think about the love God has for us, love so uncomprehensible to we mere mortals, that He gave us His only Son, to be born into mankind, only to suffer a terrible terrible , all for us to be able to join Him in Heaven....

What an extraordinarily beautiful post. I so agree with all that you posted.

Agreed!. It's called 'agape' love which means sacrificial...and not 'brotherly', or 'romantic', or 'erotic' but "life-laying-down-love-into-death" love.

Uncomprehensible is right. Especially when you consider that Almighty God could have, if He chose to, wiped out the entire worlld and the human race and started all over again.

So, for that and because he conceived me in His heart and mind before the foundation of the world, then designed and built me 'feafully and wonderfully', He has all that I am and all that I have dedicated, committed, submitted and surrendered to Him for eternity.

65 posted on 02/25/2004 11:59:58 AM PST by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: searchandrecovery
"Ya know, it's funny those liberals. Will argue that there's no connection between video games or movies and violence, then claim a movie might actually provoke action. Almost sounds like they play both sides of the fence depending on the issue."

It is 'cuz they is so smart and we is so stoopid.

I am grinning ear to ear because a LOT of people are now going to see through them as never before. I am VERY glad they underestimated us. Bring it on!

66 posted on 02/25/2004 4:51:23 PM PST by formerDem (God writes straight with crooked lines.)
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To: Clintons a commie
"It looks to me like the smears about anti-semitism haven't worked, so now many film critics are going to attack this film for it's violent content. Suddenly, critics discover a violent film they don't like."

They kept throwing stuff at the wall, seeing what would stick. First, it was anti-semitic. Then, Mel's sanity, heritage,'fringe' beliefs, and motivation were 'suspicious'. Then, it was too violent. Then, it wasn't historically accurate. Then, it was being marketed in some nefarious, under-handed way. Then, it didn't focus enough on other parts of Christ's life. Then, Mel is making money off Christ's crucifixion.
The most current anti-Christian spin: Huge box office receipts are due to churches buying huge quantities of tickets and going to see it over and over.

I pity them. They are lost souls--- hopefully they can stop lying and realize that there is transcendent truth that trumps any and all agendas ("....and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")

67 posted on 02/25/2004 5:07:22 PM PST by formerDem (God writes straight with crooked lines.)
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To: Northern Yankee
BUMP
68 posted on 02/25/2004 5:14:39 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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