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As someone the census bureau would classify as Hispanic. I think that I can speak with confidence that there are those of us who came here to be Americans and adopt American values. We abandoned our former countries because they were failures culturally, economically and politically. Unfortunately there are others who are here not as "immigrants" but as "colonists". They want to bring their failed culture and failed ideas to America and impose them here. Unfortunately there are panderers on both the left and the right that will play into those sentiments and help accelerate the Balkanization of America.
1 posted on 02/24/2004 10:40:37 AM PST by Cacique
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2 posted on 02/24/2004 10:42:49 AM PST by Cacique
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This is an excellent article and argues convincingly, effectively and without any racist overtones for closing the US Mexico border.

And this review is brought to you by someone who normally bashes the "throw the mexicans out" articles and posts.
3 posted on 02/24/2004 10:53:10 AM PST by staytrue
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"Unfortunately there are others who are here not as "immigrants" but as "colonists". They want to bring their failed culture and failed ideas to America and impose them here. Unfortunately there are panderers on both the left and the right that will play into those sentiments and help accelerate the Balkanization of America."

Worth repeating, nice post and well said.
4 posted on 02/24/2004 10:53:30 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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Good post.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 10:57:54 AM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
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there are many, many hispanics in the new york area who have assimilated and are as american as anybody else. they are not noticed and labeled as hispanics, so this side of the equation is not really appreciated. in new york, at least, the successful hispanics are those who have assimilated, and they are like the irish-americans and italian-americans.
i realize the southwest is different, but i have the feeling that this article may be slightly alarmist.
6 posted on 02/24/2004 11:34:59 AM PST by drhogan
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9 posted on 02/24/2004 12:55:30 PM PST by Cacique
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The Hispanic Challenge - Hispanic, Latinos, Mexicans, Latin Americans...

For me, the challenge is reading words that seem to have no clear definition attached to them. Hispanic, Latino, and Latin American says nothing at all to me. Even the word Mexican has lost its meaning. It's used when talking about Mexican nationals as well as when talking about Americans of Mexican descent.

So, who do I complain to and who's going to serve me some cheese to go with my whine? ;^)

10 posted on 02/24/2004 1:10:43 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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I'm still trying to figure out what American culture is.
11 posted on 02/24/2004 1:37:56 PM PST by cyborg
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In 1959, Cubans were pretty well "Americanized".

In my own family, we had been bilingual Spanish-English for three generations before we ever came to the U.S.A. in 1960.

We did retain our cultural ways which were the cultural ways of the Old Americans that become so Politically Incorrect in the 1960's.

So, by growing up Cuban American in Miami in the 1960's, I grew up in the America of the 1930's and 1940's while our "Anglo" Baby Boomer contemporaries were turning their backs on that America.

As to language, you really can't be successful (serious money successful) in the U.S. with having mastered English. In my generation, it was Spanish that we negelected growing up in the 1960's. Only when we found out in the 1970's and 1980's that negotiating that contract with that Argentinian company or Venezuelan company required more attention to our Spanish that we had paid it in our high school years did my generation go back and bring their Spanish up to a professional level.

As for immigrants congregating, tell that to the Jews in Miami Beach and New York, the Chinese in Chinatown, the Irish in Massachessets, the Poles in Chicago, the Scandanavians in Minnesota, the Southern Blacks in the District of Columbia, the Germans in Pennsylvania.......

12 posted on 02/24/2004 1:45:45 PM PST by Polybius
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Extremely good article, truthful and right to the point (even though it HAS to cover a lot of ground). This individual has given one of the most accurate descriptions of what is happening and what will happen within a very short period of time. Outstanding article.
17 posted on 02/24/2004 4:10:34 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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This has to be bumped until it is read. Rush Limbaugh, please read this!
19 posted on 02/24/2004 4:38:16 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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This is a great article which ought to lay to rest the fiction that this current wave of illegal immigrants are just like the many others which came.

Can you spell Y-u-g-o-s-l-a-v-i-a? I thought you could!

24 posted on 02/24/2004 5:02:01 PM PST by Gritty ("A balkanized, polyglot, teeming mass of strangers is not a healthy national family-Mike McGarry)
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The Cuban and Hispanic dominance of Miami left Anglos (as well as blacks) as outside minorities that could often be ignored.

Before the upper class Latinos turned Miami into a business center it was a dying resort area with local politics dominated by Jewish in-migrants from the northeast. I lived there from 1999-2002 and enjoyed it immensely.

I don't care what language a person speaks as long as they are willing to start businesses and pay their own way, which is why my resentment is stronger against poorer immigrants from places such as Mexico who dump their kids on our already awful public schools. There is a world of difference between a Colombian banker and a Mexican dishwasher.

Huntington also fails to admit that the second generation is English dominant. While it is true that the adults in the area I lived in Miami spoke largely Spanish, their children preferred English when speaking to eachother. The concern over language is a tempest in a teapot, although I do agree that government-sponsored bilingualism must end.

26 posted on 02/24/2004 5:14:31 PM PST by Clemenza (I am a sick man...I am an unattractive man...I am an ANGRY man --- Doestoyevsky)
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The only way to solving a problem is realizing that one has a problem. Refusing to accept that one has a problem leaves no solution and only inevitable consequence.
37 posted on 02/25/2004 4:31:53 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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And I will read this article later, 'cause I have to run now. Ash Wednesday service.
43 posted on 02/25/2004 6:58:35 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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Bookmark / BTTT
44 posted on 02/25/2004 7:47:29 AM PST by spodefly (February is Tagline History Month!)
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BUMP for later read
47 posted on 02/25/2004 2:54:22 PM PST by justanotherfreeper
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bttt
50 posted on 02/27/2004 4:07:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe (Gay marriage is an oxymoron)
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The funny thing is that VDARE has been saying the same thing for a long time. But had this been a VDARE article it would have been pulled and the user instantly banned.
51 posted on 02/27/2004 5:54:36 PM PST by paleoagrarian
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Bumped and bookmarked.


55 posted on 03/16/2004 7:47:18 PM PST by primeval patriot
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