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To: A. Pole; MattinNJ; sittnick; ninenot; PalestrinaGal0317; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; humint; ...
I think I noted that this "blood and soil" ideology was Bismarckism and rumors are strong that he ran old Germany. My Irish ancestors ran into another form of "blood and soil"ism in the form of Boston Brahmins in the late 19th Century (Jobs available: No Irish Need Apply) and quickly booted their Brahmin backsides to the North Shore well outside of Boston never to rule Boston again. Of course, the Fitzgeralds and Kennedys were almost as bad and should have been thoroughly driven from Boston by James Michael Curley but he failed in that noble mission of candid Shanty Irish against the Lace Curtain poseur variety.

English Prods thought of our country as their colonies (part of their country albeit without voting rights). Our country has little to do with volkism as you call it. Volkism is very much part and parcel of border mania, however. Only those nations who cower in corners fearing the future adopt volkism.

My Church (RCC) has permanent principles. My nation has a constitution allowing for constitutional amendments and a SCOTUS in a seemingly permanent red hot passion for characterizing perversions and child murder as a constitutional right. That is why I am and always will be primarily Catholic and conditionally American (no blank checks to SCOTUS). The Mexicans are far greater allies of Western Civilization than are John Paul Stevens or Ruth Bader Ginsberg or Swish Souter or former disgraces like Sandra Day O'Connor (Unitarian Universalist and not Catholic).

Whatever the artistic talents of John Lennon, he was a miserably obsessed Marxist atheist who did great damage to our nation. I always found it interesting and comforting that his bullet found him on December 8, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Lennon was a virtual nihilist. I did not much care for his music either. The day that he and Paul and Ringo arrived at Idlewild was the real "day the music died."

Whatever it may please the border moonbats to imagine, those who favor the arrival of cultural allies from South of the Border are neither nihilists nor Marxists nor obsessive free traders. We may note that the USA's most traditional area, the South, has usually been favorable to free trade (see economic histories comparing the free trader agricultural South and the protectionist manufacturing North in the runup to the late 19th century unpleasantness between the states and Jude Wanniski's The Way the World Works on the question of the abandonment of free trade by Southern Senators directly triggering the 1929 Stock Market crash and worldwide depression).

Not only do I not want a homogenized world, but I celebrate that abortion and other lifestyle evils are less favored than they are here by our neighbors to the south (our reinforcements).

Rurudyne/A. Pole: Which is worse: 15 million "illegal" immigrants or 50 million slaughtered innocent babies with the thorough approval of the Junior League, Muffy and Skipper? Why?

141 posted on 12/27/2006 1:52:51 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; dufekin; Rurudyne; Howard Jarvis Admirer; tacticalogic; livius
English Prods thought of our country as their colonies (part of their country albeit without voting rights). Our country has little to do with volkism as you call it. Volkism is very much part and parcel of border mania, however. Only those nations who cower in corners fearing the future adopt volkism. My Church (RCC) has permanent principles. My nation has a constitution allowing for ...

Yet the Constitution was created by the British Protestants, not by the Catholics. They were informed by the tradition of Common Law and by such Protestant polities like Congregationalism (which departed from Anglican monarchy). Congregationalism is the very opposite of Roman Catholic style of government. The first is intensely democratic, moralistic and individualistic, the second is authoritative, deeply conscious of human weakness (think about the Sacrament of Confession) and communitarian.

You said: "Only those nations who cower in corners fearing the future adopt volkism."

Volkism was a German attempt to provide the substitute for religious spiritual unity - Germany was divided into Lutheran north and Catholic south - in order to unite Germany they invoked race and soil. This was a falsification, as true unity derives from religion and common culture.

United States after absorbing large number on non-Protestants lost the original collective self-understanding. This creates the temptation for the substitutes (other than volkism chosen by Germans), much more likely are Wilsonian global mission, elevating democracy to the new guiding principle etc ...

Well, we cannot reverse the history, the fact you and me would not be here if the other course were chosen in the past, as I said before, should not cloud out thinking.

Now the question is if America can or should conduct two new experiments -

1. bringing a large number of Mexicans/Latin Americans who have strong identity of their own
2. brining a large number of people from non-Christian countries, especially Muslims.

What type of unity can be worked out for so diverse people? What type of coercion (less or more formal like Political Correctness or stronger central government) will be applied? Will the original British concept of informal consensus and liberties survive this new phase?

142 posted on 12/27/2006 2:28:45 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: BlackElk
Rurudyne/A. Pole: Which is worse: 15 million "illegal" immigrants or 50 million slaughtered innocent babies with the thorough approval of the Junior League, Muffy and Skipper? Why?
I think I have consistently argued that abortion is theologically evil, morally wrong, legally perverse, nationally suicidal and socially stupid.

I have also opined that we have an Illegal Alien problem in no small part because of all the holes in our nation where Citizens should be.

However, even if the two are not comparable in the degree of wrongness, nevertheless I will strongly oppose both since they stem from the same lawless wrongheadedness that infects the entire human race to one degree or another (but which is especially prevalent among those who have abandoned even goal oriented progress for a "progressivism" that only measures progress by what it no longer is––and like a plow team led by a blind farmer only tears up the landscape to no good effect).
148 posted on 12/27/2006 9:13:58 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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