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Fox News reports what Freeper Ambrose Uncovered (Re:NYT fake sources)
Foxnews ^ | 25 Feb 2004 | Fox News

Posted on 02/25/2004 3:41:55 PM PST by Rokke

Tonight on the Grapevine, Foxnews discussed CBS News reporting on the "massive" conservative revolt against Bush, despite their own polling results which showed Bush with overwhelming Republican support. The question was then asked, "Where did CBS get the idea the conservatives were rebelling? The answer...from the New York Times." They then went on to discuss Ambrose's (they didn't credit him unfortunately) discovery that the NYT's used the same source calling him first a Republican and then two weeks later an independent to support their claim that conservatives were ditching Bush.

Nice job Ambrose. You didn't get the credit on Foxnews, but we know where the best investigative reporting comes from.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News
KEYWORDS: ambrose; ccrm; congrats; deceit; fabrication; foxnews; fraud; grapevine; mediabias; medialies; nyt; nytimes
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1 posted on 02/25/2004 3:41:56 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Good Deal.
2 posted on 02/25/2004 3:43:00 PM PST by cmsgop ( HAS ANYONE SEEN Spalding Grey ??)
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To: ambrose
Ping. Pong.
3 posted on 02/25/2004 3:43:07 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Rokke
Good job Ambrose. I sent the other thread with your findings and Mr Smiths findings to Hannity, Rush and FOx.
4 posted on 02/25/2004 3:43:41 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Rokke; ambrose
Bumpity bump bump bump!!
5 posted on 02/25/2004 3:44:22 PM PST by Neets (In favor of liberating Iraq, and opposed to it. And that's just one senator from Massachusetts.)
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To: Rokke
I just saw that on Fox. These liberal press guys are really a mess.


http://W-04.com

6 posted on 02/25/2004 3:45:33 PM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign visit W-04.com for FREE STICKERS)
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To: Rokke
Thanks! I'll be watching tonight (I'm out on the Left Coast)
7 posted on 02/25/2004 3:45:52 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: cmsgop
Of course, Ambrose did get credit from Andrew Sullivan and James Taranto - Best of the Web.

Great work!

8 posted on 02/25/2004 3:46:31 PM PST by keithtoo (W '04 - I'll pass on the ketchup-boy.)
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To: jwalsh07
Anyone who knows where the original thread can be found should then link it here.

Well done Ambrose.
9 posted on 02/25/2004 3:46:33 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: Neets
Bumpity bump bump bump!!

Keep bumping yourself like that, and you'll get hairy palms and go blind.

10 posted on 02/25/2004 3:46:53 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Rokke
bump for later, goin to see the Passion..
11 posted on 02/25/2004 3:47:37 PM PST by The Mayor (And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?)
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To: ambrose
Good catch - saw Jim Engle mention this tonight.
12 posted on 02/25/2004 3:47:55 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: ambrose
FReepers are tops! BUMP!
13 posted on 02/25/2004 3:48:18 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Decide for yourself! See "Passion of The Christ.")
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To: Rokke
"Where did CBS get the idea the conservatives were rebelling?

They obviously ran across a couple of the libertarians here on FR.

14 posted on 02/25/2004 3:48:32 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Rokke; ambrose
Great work & a big BTT for Ambrose!
15 posted on 02/25/2004 3:50:57 PM PST by AZamericonnie
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To: ambrose
Well, done.

again.

16 posted on 02/25/2004 3:51:39 PM PST by TomB
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To: Poohbah
You mean women can get that too??? ;-)
17 posted on 02/25/2004 3:51:41 PM PST by Neets (In favor of liberating Iraq, and opposed to it. And that's just one senator from Massachusetts.)
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To: cinFLA
They obviously ran across a couple of the libertarians here on FR.

Naw, they're people brainwashed by listening to too many Moby albums. Here, I'll activate another one:

The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep

18 posted on 02/25/2004 3:52:03 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Petronski
Here is the original link:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082935/posts

Later picked up by InstaPundit and Mickey Kaus (they gave credit). Glenn Reynolds then forwarded it on to the Columbia School of Journalism Review (I think), which forced the NY Times to issue a correct.

I love the Internet. They would get away with these lies just a few short years ago.
19 posted on 02/25/2004 3:52:04 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: Rokke
BUMP! FR most important site of any election.
20 posted on 02/25/2004 3:52:38 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Rokke

George Meagher himself, on the left--naturally.

21 posted on 02/25/2004 3:52:45 PM PST by Hon
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To: Rokke
BUMP!!

I saw Jim Angle mention this, too.

22 posted on 02/25/2004 3:52:56 PM PST by MasonGal
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To: ambrose
Great job.
23 posted on 02/25/2004 3:53:04 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: cinFLA
Bah.
Everyone knows that it's the Democrats who are revolting....:)
24 posted on 02/25/2004 3:53:43 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Rokke; ambrose; PhiKapMom; My2Cents; Howlin; Tamsey; doodlelady; TheSpottedOwl; windchime; ...

WTG Ambrose!


25 posted on 02/25/2004 3:54:16 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: ambrose
Outstanding work!
26 posted on 02/25/2004 3:54:23 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: ambrose; Grampa Dave; Liz; SierraWasp
I love the Internet. They would get away with these lies just a few short years ago.

You and me both. Congratulations on a REAL job of reporting, and outing, the criminal lamestream mediots.

Another Freeper triumph.

27 posted on 02/25/2004 3:56:13 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Petronski
Here's the thread I sent ot Rush, Sean and Fox. Check out mrsmiths #44 and ambroses gem posted by deport in #86.
28 posted on 02/25/2004 3:56:40 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ambrose
Bravo....job well done...
29 posted on 02/25/2004 3:57:07 PM PST by mystery-ak (*The cause of freedom is in good hands*....you betcha, Mr. President!)
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To: Rokke
Well done!

It's nice to see the good guys score a win in the media from time to time.

Anyone want to bet on when CBS will issue a correction?
30 posted on 02/25/2004 3:57:26 PM PST by Skywarner (Freedom isn't Free. Remember our WWII vets!)
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To: Timesink; *CCRM; governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; ...
Revived Media Shenanigans ping - Freeper ambrose gives the Times a wedgie

On, Off, or grab it for a Media Shenanigans/Schadenfreude ping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~anamusedspectator/

31 posted on 02/25/2004 3:58:42 PM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: Rokke; ambrose
Good for you, ambrose.
32 posted on 02/25/2004 4:01:23 PM PST by truthkeeper
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To: ambrose
Nice!
33 posted on 02/25/2004 4:02:24 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Rokke
Without Free Republic there is NO truth in media!
34 posted on 02/25/2004 4:03:50 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: ambrose
Excellent work, ambrose!

I missed your expose, but it sounds like you found another favorite source, ala Greg Packer and Greg Thielmann? Very very good.
35 posted on 02/25/2004 4:03:59 PM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: keithtoo
Of course, Ambrose did get credit from Andrew Sullivan and James Taranto - Best of the Web.

More good news.

36 posted on 02/25/2004 4:04:40 PM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: keithtoo
Of course, Ambrose did get credit from Andrew Sullivan and James Taranto - Best of the Web.

When did Taranto run it? I've been waiting to see his take on it, but I haven't seen it mentioned by him...

37 posted on 02/25/2004 4:06:46 PM PST by Timesink (Smacky is power.)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; bamabaseballmom; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; ...
FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

38 posted on 02/25/2004 4:07:13 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F'in Kerry!)
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To: Rokke
They then went on to discuss Ambrose's (they didn't credit him unfortunately)...

It is becoming increasingly irritating that mainstream journalism sources cribbage material from FreeRepublic without attribution. In doing so, they are violating their own ethical standards. They need to be called on this, with formal complaints to their Editors and Ombudsmen.

The Washington Post Standards and Ethics

Author: The Washington Post
Published: February 16, 1999
Last Updated: February 17, 1999
A. Conflict of interest
B. The reporter’s role
C. Errors
D. Attribution of sources
E. Plagiarism and credit…

The Washington Post is pledged to an aggressive, responsible and fair pursuit of the truth without fear of any special interest, and with favor to none….

Washington Post reporters and editors are pledged to approach every assignment with the fairness of open minds and without prior judgment. The search for opposing views must be routine. Comment from persons accused or challenged in stories must be included. The motives of those who press their views upon us must routinely be examined, and it must be recognized that those motives can be noble or ignoble, obvious or ulterior....

D. Attribution of Sources

The Washington Post is pledged to disclose the source of all information when at all possible. When we agree to protect a source’s identity, that identity will not be made known to anyone outside The Post.

Before any information is accepted without full attribution, reporters must make every reasonable effort to get it on the record. If that is not possible, reporters should consider seeking the information elsewhere. If that in turn is not possible, reporters should request an on-the-record reason for concealing the source’s identity and should include the reason in the story.

In any case, some kind of identification is almost always possible – by department or by position, for example – and should be reported.

No pseudonyms are to be used.

E. Plagiarism and Credit

Attribution of material from other newspapers and other media must be total. Plagiarism is one of journalism’s unforgivable sins. It is the policy of this newspaper to give credit to other publications that develop exclusive stories worthy of coverage by The Post.

Washington Post Standards

39 posted on 02/25/2004 4:08:32 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: ambrose
Wait a minute. I did read that thread.

Well, bravo for you!
40 posted on 02/25/2004 4:10:02 PM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: Rokke
Great Work, Ambrose, keep 'em honest!

Free Republic is the place to be for real reporting!
41 posted on 02/25/2004 4:10:05 PM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Timesink
I'm guessing he's confusing Taranto's crediting of FR for another item with this one. Taranto credited us for finding Kerry's Republicans are terrorists comment.

Or he is confusing Taranto with Instapundit.

42 posted on 02/25/2004 4:10:41 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: ambrose; Lazamataz; Howlin; section9; Nick Danger; Travis McGee; blam
"Later picked up by InstaPundit and Mickey Kaus (they gave credit). Glenn Reynolds then forwarded it on to the Columbia School of Journalism Review (I think), which forced the NY Times to issue a correct. I love the Internet. They would get away with these lies just a few short years ago."

You know, you just made my day...and that's hard to do considering that I just finished installing a supercharger onto my Corvette this afternoon (wonderful first test drive, and I'm about to go out and make another run).

But you topped even that!

43 posted on 02/25/2004 4:11:18 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: William McKinley
Another FR supersleuth appears on the scene.

We are all forever in your debt for your almost instant exposure of the infamous Wilkinson fraud.
44 posted on 02/25/2004 4:14:15 PM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: cyncooper
Twas nothing. Thanks.
45 posted on 02/25/2004 4:15:25 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: Rokke; ambrose
FR rocks - and it's posters make it the best web site for politics on the whole www
46 posted on 02/25/2004 4:18:22 PM PST by LowOiL (Christian and proud of it !)
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To: ambrose
#
47 posted on 02/25/2004 4:21:42 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Torie
#
48 posted on 02/25/2004 4:22:23 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Rokke; ambrose
bump
49 posted on 02/25/2004 4:25:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ambrose
From above NY Times article, dated February 22, 2004:
George Meagher, a Republican who founded and now runs the American Military Museum in Charleston, S.C., said he threw his "heart and soul" into the Bush campaign four years ago. He organized veterans to attend campaign events, including the campaign's kickoff speech at the Citadel. He even has photographs of himself and his wife with Mr. Bush.

From NY Times article, dated February 2, 2004:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/03/politics/campaign/03VETS.html?ex=1077512400&en=d1f41dbeaab18901&ei=5070

"I don't think I could vote for George Bush again when I think of the 500 people killed in Iraq and what's happened to the economy in this country," said George Meagher, an independent, who runs the American Military Museum in Charleston and said he now favors Mr. Kerry.


1 posted on 02/21/2004 5:07:32 PM PST by ambrose
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NICE WORK !
50 posted on 02/25/2004 4:28:01 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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