Posted on 02/27/2004 3:40:31 AM PST by ejdrapes
This is the truth of the war on terror most gov's are not willing to face.
wether Jihadi go active and kill infidel....the majority of Islam stands by the flags and the script.
To deny this..is to deny all..and they can't.
Lying and deception are not offensive principles ..they are to be used like tools to defeat the infidel.
so..how do you reason with a juggernaut machine which supports your demise..whether its done in actuallity..or by tacit approval by the onlooker.
In southern Iraq..a few Shia clerics have enlarged themselves with their new freedom..and what has occured is chilling.
thousands and thousands of emotional jihadi wearing green head bands..chanting death too...
Hizbullah was the first kodak of this Hitler brownshirts thingy in the early 80's.....today it pours into the vacumn in Iraq.
This is the same dynamic which has been in Africa...has spawned or embraced Mahdism..and lead to the deaths of millions.
If this crowd gets WMD...look out.
its not in their psychy to feel sorry for the death of anyone in the way....muslims are expunged in great numbers if they are seen as non commited to the great cause.
The war on terror has a home front..it is the mosque.
Hitchens is not apparently objective: witness his overtly political biased judgment against Mother Teresa's beatification:
Mommie Dearest
The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 20, 2003, at 1:04 PM PT
[During the deliberations over the Second Vatican Council, under the stewardship of Pope John XXIII, MT (Mother Teresa) was to the fore in opposing all suggestions of reform. What was needed, she maintained, was more work and more faith, not doctrinal revision. Her position was ultra-reactionary and fundamentalist even in orthodox Catholic terms. Believers are indeed enjoined to abhor and eschew abortion, but they are not required to affirm that abortion is "the greatest destroyer of peace," as MT fantastically asserted to a dumbfounded audience when receiving the Nobel Peace Prize *. Believers are likewise enjoined to abhor and eschew divorce, but they are not required to insist that a ban on divorce and remarriage be a part of the state constitution, as MT demanded in a referendum in Ireland (which her side narrowly lost) in 1996.… ]
Every week observant Jews celebrate the holiday of the Sabbath, commemorating the creation of the world, and once a year, other holidays centered around more recent events in our history, such as our escape from slavery in ancient Egypt.
Given this, it should not be surprising that we also remember that in 1555, Pope Paul IV published a Bull that stressed that we, the "Christ-killers," were by nature slaves and should be so treated, or that in 1581, Pope Gregory XIII said that our guilt regarding Jesus' death grew deeper with time, requiring our perpetual slavery. We also remember the anti-Jewish quotas at US universities that persisted into the early 20th Century.
In fact, there are Jews alive today who remember having the "christ killer" epithet hurled at them while either fleeing from or recieving a beating by zealous Christian bullies.
Now, I do recognize the pronounced irony in this position, the Church simultaneously stating that Jesus Christ "freely suffered death for us in complete and free submission to the will of God, his Father," and that "by his death he has conquered death, and so opened the possibility of salvation to all men,"1 while on the other hand reviling Jews for our supposed role in his death, and that "christ killer" has no place in a modern understanding of Christianity.
But I don't think that it is entirely unjustified, given the place of that epithet in living memory and recent history (less than 500 years ago), for Jews to express concern about how people who have never read the Catholic Catechism and don't even really understand their professed faith might interpret this film, or about what kind of overt or subtextual message is presented in the film.
That expression of concern isn't an accusation.
Personally, I tend to agree with the JPFO press release - there's people out there who, film or no film, will hate Jews and want to do us harm. Our so-called Jewish leaders should focus on the real threats to Jews, such as Arab fundamentalism, the Palestinian Authority, and Saudi Arabia, rather than on Mel Gibson and his cinematic profession of Christian faith.
I want to see this movie!! I'm not sure I can handle the gore.
And the point of this article is religious intolerance?
Exactly!
I don't see it that way at all, and his comparison with the Islamic situation is entirely appropriate. Christians have the same moral obligation to refute charges of anti-Semitism in this matter as Muslims have a responsibility to inform a fearful world about the true nature of the mainstream faith. For that matter, I think Mel Gibson has an obligation to clear the air about the difference between his ethnic beliefs and those of his wack-job father.
I'm glad that Hitchens is pointing out what has worried me about this film, though. Namely, how is this film going to be seen in other countries? Here in the U.S., where there's both a strong religious sentiment and extremely little history of real, violent, anti-semitism, the film's not going to do much to inflame things, and it will well serve a large audience.
But how is it going to be seen in Germany, in Poland, in Russia, in France, countries with long histories of anti-semitism and regular additions to that history? Will it be used as a tool by those forces, as it could be, especially when it comes out on DVD and VHS, and anyone can cut their own version to highlight an agenda.
I'm not saying that Mel shouldn't have made the movie. He should make whatever he wants, just like I should be able to make a movie that's two hours of a child being raped and tortured in front of her parents in a Baghdad basement. That one would probably do some people some good, too. But I can't be surprised when I learn other people are watching it with a different state of mind.
Well, haven't we all noticed the long lines of gay sad-masochistic Christians at all the screenings and showings of The Passion? Sheesh. I didn't need to read past this opener.
I do agree with you about that, and about the suffering of Jews under Hitler. However, I would like you as a Jew, and other Jews to condemn the killing of Christians under Arab, and Moslem majority governments. The sympathy that you get from Christians about your holocaust should be appreciated and matched with support and sympathy towards the Holocaust of Christians in the Sudan, Indonesia, Egypt,…
All I'm asking is that Mel be forthright about telling us how his beliefs differ from his father's. This has nothing to do with generational guilt, but direct parental influence.
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