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Gang rapists told age, culture no defence (Muslims)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | March 2, 2004 | Natasha Wallace

Posted on 03/01/2004 4:17:43 PM PST by Piefloater

Three Pakistani gang rapists who are facing life in jail yesterday begged a judge to be pardoned, citing cultural differences that led to the brutal attack, immaturity on their part and hardship within their families if they were imprisoned.

But Supreme Court Justice Brian Sully said "culture or no culture", a strong message needed to be sent to other young men that such horrific sex crimes against women will not be tolerated in modern society.

Andrew Haesler, for one of the defendants, known as MMK, 17, said his client was immature and had lived in Australia for two years without the "restrictive boundaries" in his home country.

But Justice Sully said the crime could not be passed off as a "youthful indiscretion that has somehow gone wrong".

"Sixteen or not, what he did is absolutely repellent behaviour, and it's adult-type behaviour," he said. "It has to be established once and for all that culture or no culture, wherever he came from, however old you are, this cannot be tolerated in modern society."

Five males, four of whom are brothers, were found guilty last year of nine counts of aggravated sexual assault in company - which carries a maximum life sentence - on two girls, aged 16 and 17, at the brothers' Ashfield family home on July 28, 2002.

The girls were repeatedly raped, threatened with knives and bullets and one was told the other had been killed because she had resisted her attackers. None of the men can be named because the younger brothers, MMK and MRK, 18, were minors at the time. Another man, known as RS, is 25.

Two of the men, known as MSK, 25, and MAK, 23, sobbed openly in court, maintaining their innocence and begging for "another chance".

The brothers are representing themselves because they believe an anti-Muslim conspiracy has prevented a fair hearing. Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they "did not know the culture of this country".

Justice Sully said the victims' impact statements had greatly affected him: "I have not heard . . . anything like it . . . something proper needs to be done to get the message out to the adolescents and teenagers."

The men are the first to be convicted of the new offence of aggravated sexual assault in company, which carries a maximum life penalty.

They will be sentenced on March 12.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; australia; culturaldifference; gangrape; gangs; hatecrime; islam; itsjustsex; lawyers; muslimgangrape; muslimgangrapes; muslims; pakistan; pakistanis; putsomeiceonthat; rape; religionofpeace; sex; sexualassault
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Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they "did not know the culture of this country"

Apparently repeatedly raping 16 year old girls is quite acceptable in their "culture".

Lock 'em up and throw away the key.
1 posted on 03/01/2004 4:17:44 PM PST by Piefloater
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To: Piefloater
"Apparently repeatedly raping 16 year old girls is quite acceptable in their "culture"."

In their culture this would all be cleared up with the public stoning of the victim.


Islam is a religion of peace.
2 posted on 03/01/2004 4:22:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: Piefloater
Here's a little quote from the Irish author Christy Brown that I've always carried with me:

What the Egyptians do,
We needn't be troublin',
But you can't have that sort of thing,
Going on in Dublin!

3 posted on 03/01/2004 4:24:32 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Piefloater
they believe an anti-Muslim conspiracy has prevented a fair hearing.

An "anti-Muslim conspiracy" is the sound of a .223 entering your cranium according to the rule of law.

4 posted on 03/01/2004 4:24:37 PM PST by angkor
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They will be sentenced on March 12.

Just take them out back and hang them with a rope made of pig skin.

5 posted on 03/01/2004 4:30:13 PM PST by TYVets ("An armed society is a polite society." - Robert A. Heinlein & me)
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To: cripplecreek
You are almost right in that. The fact that we actually CARE about our daughters, sisters, mothers, and wives would come as a complete shock to so many of these animals who are taught from birth that Western women are nothing but whores to be used as they wish before the slitting of their throats - may the blessing of allah and his only prophet mohamed be upon you.
6 posted on 03/01/2004 4:30:37 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Piefloater
Whew, talk about the religion of peace.
7 posted on 03/01/2004 4:31:33 PM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Piefloater
"Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they 'did not know the culture of this country'."

Surely no person plainly this lacking in both decency and common sense should be permitted to practice medicine in any civilized nation.
8 posted on 03/01/2004 4:33:17 PM PST by GMMAC ( lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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To: Piefloater
The defendants and their father are liars. Under Sharia, the penalty for rape is death. In Saudi Arabia, rapists get beheaded. I would favor acceding to their plea and punishing them according to their own "culture."
9 posted on 03/01/2004 4:33:22 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Dogbert41
Ive heard muslims talk about the great "honor" they bestow on muslim women. Unfortunately that honor often comes in the form of a fist or "honor" killing.
10 posted on 03/01/2004 4:33:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they "did not know the culture of this country".

Hes right, you know. Rape and sexual assault on women are cornerstones of Islam. Call me a bigot, racist whatever, muslims treat women like objects. These muslims are really stunned that they are being punished so harshly; they have been admittedly brought up in an enviornment where that type of behavior is condoned, even encouraged. I hope they get life, in Australia's equivalent of San Quentin or Huntsville..

11 posted on 03/01/2004 4:34:26 PM PST by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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Three Pakistani gang rapists who are facing life in jail yesterday begged a judge to be pardoned, citing cultural differences that led to the brutal attack, immaturity on their part and hardship within their families if they were imprisoned.

My, my. Such brave Is-slimeac warriors! First, they take 3:2 odds to rape a couple of innocent girls. I wonder how much attention they paid to those helpless young girls' pleas? Obviously, the answer is - none.

And now, these vermin beg to be pardoned?

I have an idea for some appropriate punishments. Sadly, those ideas would violate posting policy, so I leave them to the imagination of the reader.

12 posted on 03/01/2004 4:35:37 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: GMMAC
Surely no person plainly this lacking in both decency and common sense should be permitted to practice medicine in any civilized nation

I thought the same thing..

13 posted on 03/01/2004 4:35:49 PM PST by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: Piefloater; knighthawk
Religion of Peace bump.
14 posted on 03/01/2004 4:36:33 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Piefloater
But if a westerner broke one of their laws in their country, the westerner would have been told it was their duty to learn of the laws before entering the country and to accept their punishment.
15 posted on 03/01/2004 4:39:18 PM PST by reformed_dem (Now accepting ideas for a tag line.)
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To: Piefloater
I hope they get a little culture shock of their own when the Bubba's in prison are looking for a new girlfriend.
16 posted on 03/01/2004 4:40:23 PM PST by Arpege92
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Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they "did not know the culture of this country".

If they thought Australia was like Pakistan, they might have thought the victims would be punished along with themselves. As a result, they might have hoped the victims wouldn't testify. But they also would have thought that if the girls did testify, they would hang. See:

Six to hang in Meerwala (Pakistan) rape case

Justice Sully said the victims' impact statements had greatly affected him: "I have not heard . . . anything like it . . . something proper needs to be done to get the message out to the adolescents and teenagers."

What a credulous fool. Get the word out? The underage boys here are hardly likely to get anywhere near the punishment as in Pakistan. Is that the word?

17 posted on 03/01/2004 4:40:34 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Piefloater
The defendants are pakistani. Here is what the pakistani "culture" prescribes for the crime they have committed. By all means, make allowance for the "cultural difference." I hear the Burmese are quite skilled in the the use of blades for the beheading of bulls. Perhaps there are some in Australia who would volunteer to perform this community service.

    6 get death penalty for rape ordered by tribal jury

    By ASIM TANVEER

    DERA GHAZI KHAN, Pakistan (Reuters): A Pakistani court on Sept. 1 sentenced six men to death for the gang rape of a woman on the orders of a traditional village jury.

    Defense lawyer Mohammad Yaqub told Reuters that eight other men were acquitted in the trial before a special antiterrorism court in the Punjab provincial town of Dera Ghazi Khan, whose shocking findings highlighted the abuse of women in rural areas.

    Mukhtiar Mai, the 30-year old victim, was not present when the court announced the decision amid heavy security. She told Reuters on Aug. 30 that members of her family had been threatened with death if the men were convicted.

    Yaqub said four men were sentenced to death for committing the rape and two others for serving on the village jury that authorized the crime.

    “The four rapists and two jurors have been given the death penalty and a fine of 40,000 rupees ($675) each. The remaining eight have been acquitted. “We will appeal,” he added.

    Yaqub named the four sentenced to death for the rape as brothers Allah Ditta and Abdul Khaliq, Fayyaz Hussain and Ghulam Farid. The two jurors were Faiz Bakhsh and Ramzan Bichar. All the eight acquitted had also served on the jury.

    “God has provided justice to me,” Mai told Reuters by telephone. “If courts start giving decisions like this, I am sure rapes will be reduced, if not stopped totally. I am satisfied with the decision.”

    Mai’s father Ghulam Farid Jat said she was overcome by the news. “She cried loudly and fainted a few times,” he said.

    Mai said she was raped by four men after approaching the traditional jury, or panchayat, in Meerawali to settle a dispute with the rival Mastoi clan. The victim said she went to the jury after her 12-year-old brother Abdul Shakoor was kidnapped and sodomized by members of Mastoi family as a punishment for having an illicit affair with one of their relatives.

    The jury ruled that to save Mastoi honor, Shakoor should marry the woman with whom he was linked, while Mai, who is divorced, was to be given away in marriage to a Mastoi man.

    The prosecution said that when she rejected the decision she was raped by the four Mastoi men and made to walk home nearly naked in front of hundreds of people.

    The lawyers for six men sentenced to death for the gang-rape filed appeals against the verdict on Sept. 3, Reuters reported from Islamabad. Defense lawyer Malik Mohammad Saleem said he had challenged the convictions in the provincial high court in Multan, capital of Punjab province.

    “I have filed two separate appeals, one on behalf of four convicted on the rape charge and the other on behalf of the two men who sat on the jury,” he said.

    The prosecution has also said it will appeal — against the acquittal of the eight jurors.

    Chief prosecution lawyer Ramzan Khalid Joya said he would file an appeal against the acquittal of eight jurors.


18 posted on 03/01/2004 4:43:23 PM PST by Bonaparte
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"...would have been told it was their duty to learn of the laws before entering the country and to accept their punishment."

That's right. They show no mercy to westerners who violate their laws and customs. To their credit, they don't buy into "multicultural" gibberish, not in their own countries. And they rightly see us as fools for indulging in it over here.

19 posted on 03/01/2004 4:47:56 PM PST by Bonaparte
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Apparently repeatedly raping 16 year old girls is quite acceptable in their "culture".

Maybe it is OK because the women may have been un-believing infidels. Execute them with extreme prejudice.
20 posted on 03/01/2004 4:52:51 PM PST by microgood
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