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The coming ice age [full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years]
Backwoods Home ^ | 3-8-04 | John Silveira

Posted on 03/08/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by SJackson

As little as 30 years ago the talk wasn’t about global warming, it was about an imminent ice age. Is an ice age likely? Even possible? Consider this: There have been more than 20 glacial advances, or ice ages, in just the last two million years. And we know from geological evidence that each glaciation lasted anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 years—no one knows why the disparity—separated by warm periods that last some 10,000 to 15,000 years. What we can be reasonably sure of is that we’re now in one of the warm periods, and this one is already 13,000 years old. Some scientists think it’s at an end and a new ice age is about to begin.

No one really knows what causes ice ages. Theories abound. They include perturbations in the earth’s orbit, changes in ocean currents, the earth periodically passing through galactic dust that obscures the sun, variations in the sun’s energy output, changes in continental positions, uplift of continental blocks, reduction of CO2 in the atmosphere, etc. Evidence or experiment may eventually resolve which of the theories wins out, or it may turn out that a combination of theories are true. It may even be that none of the current theories proves satisfactory and some entirely new theory ultimately explains their cause.

But what is pretty certain is how they take place. It was once common wisdom to believe that the advent of an ice age took place over centuries or even millennia, and that they ended the same way. It was thought that the changes were so slow that, if people were around to witness them, each generation would hardly notice any change. If the next glaciation were to come on slowly, and we recognized it as the beginning of an ice age, maybe there would be time for civilization to adjust: to begin food storage, to develop crop hybrids that will endure shorter growing seasons, to move populations, factories, and technology—the core of our civilization—into southern climates, etc.

But we now have evidence that ice ages come on with an abruptness that will catch us by total surprise. Physical evidence indicates that when the last ice age started, the British Isles went from a temperate climate to being completely covered with glaciers hundreds of feet thick in just 20 years.

Do scientists think it’ll happen that way again? Yes. And if the next ice age starts here’s how it may occur: At first we wouldn’t even realize it, so the first few years we’d feel we were just having one or two bad winters. But after a few years rivers will freeze all-year-round, snow from the previous years won’t completely melt, glaciers will begin to form, and some of what is currently now the world’s most fertile ground will become unfarmable.

Countries bordering on both sides of the Atlantic will change radically as a result of changes in the Gulf Stream, and Europe, which today is almost 20 degrees warmer than other parts of the world at the same latitude, will become as cold and dry as Siberia. The Sahara may again become forested while the Amazon basin becomes a desert. Florida may also become a desert, as it was in a previous ice age.

At the same time, if the climate changes enough to disturb the monsoon season that fuels agriculture from Africa to China, where over half the world’s six billion people now live, hundreds of millions will starve when the climate abruptly changes. There’s no way to prepare them for that.

Canadian and Russian wheat will fail completely. American agriculture, on which much of the world depends, will be scaled back by shorter growing seasons. Not only will we not have enough food for export, we won’t be able to grow enough to sustain even our own current population. And jobs? Factories will close, service businesses will disappear, stocked supermarkets will become a thing of the past. Get ready for your standard of living to drop like a rock while you and your kin go hungry.

How far will the ice fields extend? In North America they will most likely reach as far south as present day Chicago. But they may go further. And this isn’t going to be some picture postcard winter landscape. At the height of the last ice age, the ice fields covering much of North America were up to two miles thick. So, expect the great northern cities, such as New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, etc., to be swept away before advancing glaciers. In the meantime, sea levels will drop and more of the continental shelves will be exposed. You’ll be able to walk from Siberia to Alaska, from California to the Channel Islands, from Britain to France, from Australia to New Guinea.

But when is this really all likely to happen? Because no one knows what causes ice ages, there’s no way to forecast when the next one will start, how bad it will be, or what effect the (allegedly man-made) global warming taking place today will have on it. We can’t tell whether it will be less severe than the last one, when the ice sheets only extended as far south as Wisconsin, or as bad as some of the glaciations of half a billion years ago when ice sheets formed all the way to the equator. Although this latter scenario is unlikely, no one can be sure. But if it does, kiss the human race good-bye.

What seems fairly certain is that we will go from the world as it is today to full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years, maybe in as little as four or five. And there is no way the United States can adjust to and survive a climate change this abrupt.

Can we stop it? We can’t even stop a single snow storm. Imagine trying to stop an ice age that’s going to go on for tens of thousands of years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: amazon; climatechange; desertification; refoliation; sahara
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5 years. I'm applying for a wolly mammouth tag right away!
1 posted on 03/08/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
The coming Ice Age. Sounds like that '70's show.
2 posted on 03/08/2004 4:58:37 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: SJackson
Probably won't affect much here in Fairbanks. This area wasn't glaciated last time, either.
3 posted on 03/08/2004 5:00:36 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: SJackson
That's ok, Global Warming will solve this problem. Besides, after Al Gore kick's El Nino's ass, he will be available to go mano a mano with El Icicle.
4 posted on 03/08/2004 5:01:18 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: SJackson
Damn ... and I was counting on the global warming thing! Will this help or hurt the Liberals in the next election? You know they will blame the Conservatives!
5 posted on 03/08/2004 5:01:23 PM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: SJackson

6 posted on 03/08/2004 5:01:53 PM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: SJackson
uh, ... what happened to Global Warming?
7 posted on 03/08/2004 5:01:58 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SJackson
Hmm.. Might be time for those bulk purchases of Spam™ and camouflage duct tape..
8 posted on 03/08/2004 5:02:10 PM PST by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Semper Paratus
The coming Ice Age...

Seems like I read "The Coming Dark Age" by Roberto Vacca in the seventies.

9 posted on 03/08/2004 5:03:22 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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Too Much!

10 posted on 03/08/2004 5:03:48 PM PST by Spruce (Does this train go too daloot? Nope. she goes Woop woop. (it's a MN joke))
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To: SJackson
The 4 BILLION DOLLAR a year global warming scam industry is going to be P*ssed!
11 posted on 03/08/2004 5:05:22 PM PST by listenhillary (terrorism n. systematic use of violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments)
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To: RightWhale
I see where this is going.

Enviromental-wackos over the last 15 years have failed to alarm the public about global warming and its effect in the year 2100, so now they are stepping it up a notch saying unless we abnadon CO2 immediately, disaster is less than 20 years away.
12 posted on 03/08/2004 5:05:46 PM PST by raloxk
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Howdy Mexicanos!! I'm Johnny Gringo, your new migrant friend!!

In case of ice age, we can make that immigration door swings both ways, ya know...fix me up some tacos and a fat government check, and a hospital bed, cause hell knows what I might come down with until we clean your, I mean, OUR new country up. Habla ingles??

13 posted on 03/08/2004 5:08:11 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: SJackson
Sounds like the south can look forward to serious property value increases.

I'm buyin 100 acres this summer. Maybe I should buy more?
14 posted on 03/08/2004 5:08:22 PM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: SJackson
The PR agency for the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" strikes again.
15 posted on 03/08/2004 5:08:57 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: SJackson
A little old man walks into a lumber company office, and applies for a job as a lumberjack. The foreman politely tries to talk him out of the idea. After all, he is old, small, and apparently much too weak to fell trees.

The old man picks up a saw and walks over to a huge redwood. In record time, the old man is finished sawing down the tree.

"That's just astounding," the forman says, "wherever did you learn to saw trees like that?"

"Well now," the old man smiles, "have you ever heard of the Sahara Forest?"

"You mean the Sahara Desert."

"Sure, that's what it's called NOW..."


16 posted on 03/08/2004 5:10:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: SJackson
Welp, it's nice to know my 'Y2K' kit can be recycled into 'The Coming Ice Age' kit ;o)
17 posted on 03/08/2004 5:10:26 PM PST by BossLady
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To: raloxk
The thing is that everybody can look out their window or go outside and see for themselves. It's not easy to associate 2 feet of snow with global warming, and similarly a backyard barbeque this summer won't associate well with a new Ice Age. Of course there is always a weather record to break and the alarm can be sounded when it is the 'hottest June 14 in the last 20 years,' or 'the coldest Jan 14 since 1941 in Cleveland.'
18 posted on 03/08/2004 5:11:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: BossLady
lol that is too funny!!!!
19 posted on 03/08/2004 5:12:34 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: SJackson
Physical evidence indicates that when the last ice age started, the British Isles went from a temperate climate to being completely covered with glaciers hundreds of feet thick in just 20 years.

Although I do agree that rapid climate change is possible, contemplate that claim for a moment. Let's make this minimalist and say that hundreds of feet = 200 feet. That means that 10 feet of ice needs to be created each year.

Snow is fluffy stuff. It takes about 10 inches of wet snow to make one inch of rain equivalent, and we'll be generous and say that five inches of snow would compact to an inch of glacial ice. So to accumulate twenty feet of ice per year, that means we would need 100 feet of snow. That's 1200 inches a year - or 240 inches of rain equivalent in the winter. And that doesn't even compensate for seasonal melting.

20 posted on 03/08/2004 5:12:43 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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