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Jack Ryan says free market will create new jobs
Rockford Register Star ^ | March 9, 2004 | Chuck Sweeney

Posted on 03/09/2004 9:49:55 AM PST by JohnnyZ

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:24:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In the run-up to the March 16 elections, the Democratic race for U.S. Senate is tightening, while on the Republican side, it’s the opposite. Poll after poll shows former Goldman Sachs banker Jack Ryan pulling ahead of the other six candidates.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; electionussenate; freetrade; jackryan; jobs; senate2004; trade
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Jack Ryan is a conservative who understands trade. He's going to be the GOP nominee for US Senate in Illinois, and might just pull off a win!
1 posted on 03/09/2004 9:49:56 AM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: JohnnyZ
Ya, but what does Tom Clancy think?

Jack would be NOTHING without him...

2 posted on 03/09/2004 9:52:06 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: JohnnyZ

Jack Ryan supports closing the "loophole" that allows private citizens to sell firearms 

On gun control, Ryan said he generally doesn't favor more laws. But he said he supports closing the so-called "gun show loophole" if background checks could be done instantly. And Ryan said he'd be willing to revisit the federal ban on assault weapons.

Jack Ryan supports closing the "loophole" that allows firearm manufacturers to "get around" the "assault weapons" ban

"I'll be totally open in considering that, if it focuses on the function of the weapon," Ryan said. "If it focuses on how fast does it shoot, what kind of ammunition does it shoot - that I think is good legislation. If it's like, what does the gun look like, it's too easy to get around that stuff."

http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b2burct1036.html

3 posted on 03/09/2004 9:55:06 AM PST by Mini-14
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To: *bang_list
bang
4 posted on 03/09/2004 9:55:53 AM PST by Mini-14
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To: JohnnyZ
It will be interesting to see how much likewarm support the so called "conservatives" here give him. I've heard lots of them supporting the Democratlite Republican candidates.
5 posted on 03/09/2004 10:00:11 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: dennisw
I talked Monday with GOP front-runner Ryan (no relation to that former governor) and asked him to explain how his free-market ideology will create jobs in the Rock River Valley that pay enough to feed, clothe and house families.

"Free market" - translating...not trade with countries we have free trade treaties with, but "free" transfer of assets and jobs to protectionist countries like India and China.

The lies continue, getting bigger and bigger...

6 posted on 03/09/2004 10:09:30 AM PST by Shermy
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To: DueBy9
Is it too much to ask our candidates to stand up and say it should be illegal for rape victims to turn on another innocent and butcher a child?

WELCOME TO FR. Are you just here to bash Jack or what?

Only one candidate in the race does not support the rape exception, Jonathan Wright, and he is near last in the polls. I don't like it, but I'll take 99% correct and run with it.

8 posted on 03/09/2004 10:24:12 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
wait didn't he already become president in
"Debt of Honor?" running for senate seems
to be a step back

;)


9 posted on 03/09/2004 10:26:43 AM PST by vp_cal
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To: Mini-14
But he said he supports closing the so-called "gun show loophole" if background checks could be done instantly.

What's wrong with instant background checks? Do you prefer waiting a couple days?

10 posted on 03/09/2004 10:28:15 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: vp_cal
Clancy is visionary -- Ryan's just catching up to the literature.

Hopefully ALL Clancy's scenarios won't come true; at least we avoided Red Storm Rising.

11 posted on 03/09/2004 10:30:08 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
“Those are the policies that started the Great Depression. We don’t want to go there again,” Ryan said.

By regurgitating this revisionist propaganda, Ryan destroys any credibility he may have had.

12 posted on 03/09/2004 10:44:40 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: JohnnyZ
A conservative Republican with Wall Street experience running for office ???? Named JACK RYAN ???

Does Clancy have some sort of ESP ????? (g)
13 posted on 03/09/2004 10:50:00 AM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: JohnnyZ
Jack Ryan -- remember the name. If he's elected, he will rise faster in the GOP than anyone you can remember. He will be a candidate in 2008 for the presidency.

14 posted on 03/09/2004 10:50:34 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Willie Green
By regurgitating this revisionist propaganda, Ryan destroys any credibility he may have had.

Willie doesn't like him -- MORE PROOF JACK RYAN'S CONSERVATIVE!

16 posted on 03/09/2004 11:09:04 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: DueBy9
Why is it that when I state facts about one of our candidates

Who are you supporting, then? It would have to be Jonathan Wright.

Illinois Federation for Right-to-Life has endorsed Jack Ryan, Steve Rauschenberger, and Andy McKenna.

17 posted on 03/09/2004 11:14:55 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
" 'Those are the policies that started the Great Depression. We don’t want to go there again,' Ryan said."

Sorry, but that's just flat out wrong. That's the old "Smoot-Hawley" canard, which has been disproven about a thousand times now, but that doesn't keep the free trade uber alles crowd from repeating it over and over again!

If you want a real education about the actual causes of the Great Depression, just google up the phrase "great myths of the great depression", which is an article posted at the mackinac institute, and written by Lawrence W. Reed.

I am just so tired of the same old "Smoot-Hawley" argument being hauled out time and time again. It is wrong, and it needs to be done away with forever. It's the economic equivalent of claiming the world is flat, it's just utter nonsense.

18 posted on 03/09/2004 11:15:57 AM PST by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: JohnnyZ
You can't defend Ryan's ludicrous assertions about the Great Depression, can you JohnnyZ?
Gotta resort to personal attacks as usual. I'm not surprised one bit.
19 posted on 03/09/2004 11:21:43 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: JohnnyZ
Isn't he an ex-Marine (oops, sorry, ain't no such thing) and former CIA analyst? Or am I thinking of Harrison Ford.
20 posted on 03/09/2004 11:22:22 AM PST by katana
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To: A. Pole
bump
21 posted on 03/09/2004 11:23:18 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Willie Green
Gotta resort to personal attacks as usual.

Please take it as a compliment, Willie, that I value your opinion so much!

22 posted on 03/09/2004 11:24:36 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
Sorry, but that's just flat out wrong. That's the old "Smoot-Hawley" canard, which has been disproven about a thousand times now, but that doesn't keep the free trade uber alles crowd from repeating it over and over again!

Your own source blames Smoot-Hawley, in large part, for the Great Depression.

The crowning folly of the Hoover administration was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in June 1930. It came on top of the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922, which had already put American agriculture in a tailspin during the preceding decade. The most protectionist legislation in U. S. history, Smoot-Hawley virtually closed the borders to foreign goods and ignited a vicious international trade war.

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Officials in the administration and in Congress believed that raising trade barriers would force Americans to buy more goods made at home, which would solve the nagging unemployment problem. But they ignored an important principle of international commerce: Trade is ultimately a two-way street; if foreigners cannot sell their goods here, then they cannot earn the dollars they need to buy here. Or, to put it another way, government cannot shut off imports without simultaneously shutting off exports

24 posted on 03/09/2004 11:38:18 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Willie Green
But the free traitors will create new jobs, in India and China that is.
25 posted on 03/09/2004 11:40:20 AM PST by TXBSAFH (KILL-9 needs no justification.)
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To: JohnnyZ
What's wrong with instant background checks? Do you prefer waiting a couple days?

How about no backdoor registration at all, like it was before 1993, at least in the free states.

26 posted on 03/09/2004 12:05:54 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: JohnnyZ
There is no "loophole". ALL sales by FFLs must go through NICS. The alleged "loophole" is sales between private citizens.

Furthermore, in Illinois, private citizens MUST record the buyer's FOID number AND wait three days before delivering the firearm, following the day of sale.

27 posted on 03/09/2004 12:06:22 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: Shermy
"Free market" - translating...not trade with countries we have free trade treaties with, but "free" transfer of assets and jobs to protectionist countries like India and China.

Not to mention technology. Companies such as IBM and Boeing are required to surrender technology in dribs and drabs if they want to build a plant in China. And very often such companies must build a fab in China if they want to sell to the Chinese market. China want Chinese workers to be employed and a situation created where even more (manufacturing) technology can be ripped off right on the shop floor. By industrial spies etc.

The lies continue, getting bigger and bigger...

To use crude but accurate language it's a mindf*uc. An attempt to hypnotize American workers, our great middle class, to accept terms that would have been ridiculed 5 10 15 years ago.

28 posted on 03/09/2004 12:33:14 PM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
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To: Mini-14
If you're trying to educate people, speaking in acronyms isn't the best way.
29 posted on 03/09/2004 1:08:45 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
Jack Ryan bump....
30 posted on 03/09/2004 2:07:07 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: JohnnyZ
Jack Ryan is a conservative who understands trade. He's going to be the GOP nominee for US Senate in Illinois, and might just pull off a win!

Jack Ryan may be a conservative and he may understand trade but there is nothing in this artricle that shows that he understands the current trade envirornment. Further he does not understand how trade related to the Great Depression if he was accurately quoted.

31 posted on 03/10/2004 7:27:47 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: JohnnyZ
Lets see he is against the Second Ammendment, according to the article ignorant about the Constitutional means of opening markets to American goods, please explain how this Republican is a Conservative. I really do not understand. Now he seems to be for reducing the regulations on businesses that is in his favor but as to the rest I see nothing that recommends him to conservatives.
32 posted on 03/10/2004 7:36:04 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
According to Elliott Jackalope's source, he's right on the ball about the Great Depression and the disastrous protectionist policies that the sheeple are putting forward these days.

If you want a Buchananite ignoramus, and it sounds like you do, you don't want Jack Ryan, that's for sure! But if you want a conservative, Ryan's the guy, no question.

33 posted on 03/10/2004 7:59:37 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
According to Elliott Jackalope's source, he's right on the ball about the Great Depression and the disastrous protectionist policies that the sheeple are putting forward these days

That indicates a complete ignorance of the actual history involved. The Great Depression came to the USA in 1929 as a result of Fedreal Reserve policies put in place to coordinate with Bank of England policies. The Smoot Hawley traifs were enacted in June 1930 after the Depression was well underway. These tariff increases were put in place alongside other tax increases which caused even more damage to the American economy. The Smoot Hawley tariffs were mostly a response to foreign tariffs which had already been in place and foreign reponses to them.

Now as to disaterous protectionist policies please show one example from American history of disaterous protectionist policies since from 1789 until the Clinton era we had in place protectionist tariffs.

By the way I happen to believe in Free trade I only wish we actually had some. Now once more since this candidate supports making all private transactions involving firearms a subject of Federal inquiry by his supposed support for "closing the gun show loophole" and his trade stance is clearly based upon bad information regarding teh Great Depression no matter what "elliot Jackalope" states tell me how this man is not just some other Republican candidate who says he is conservative but will still go along with the liberal line.

By the way remember it was teh Clinton administration that negotiated our current trade envirornment and if he is suipprting that he is running on a Democrat platform.

34 posted on 03/10/2004 8:24:59 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Mini-14
How is he on the "classified ads loophole?"
35 posted on 03/10/2004 8:27:47 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: harpseal
The Great Depression came to the USA in 1929 as a result of Fedreal Reserve policies put in place to coordinate with Bank of England policies. The Smoot Hawley traifs were enacted in June 1930 after the Depression was well underway.

1. Protectionism in the 1920's.
2. Do you really think the Great Depression was unavoidable after 1929? Smoot Hawley likely turned a recession into a depression.

36 posted on 03/10/2004 11:53:17 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ; BikePacker
Never mind that. What's Cathy's take on all this?
37 posted on 03/10/2004 11:55:37 AM PST by RichInOC (...and how about John Clark's?)
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To: RichInOC
What's Cathy's take on all this?

She's more concerned about the cost of malpractice insurance.

38 posted on 03/10/2004 12:22:59 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnnyZ
The Actually the history of the protective tariff during the 1920's was that it decreased from 1922 onwards. learn your history before you try to lecture on it.
39 posted on 03/10/2004 2:07:50 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: JohnnyZ
The effects of teh Smoot Hawley tariff were relatively minor one way or the other and it actually had some positive effects. As to the Depression being inevitable after 1929 there may have been some actions that could have been taken to avoid it but they were in monetary policy and fiscal policy not tariff policy. In thew interim people who learn false lessons from non-factual history have tried to dominate the debate on trade. The Smoot-Hawley tariff did nothing to cause the Onset of the Great Depression and the fall off in US exports was easily attributable to the decrease in the business activity in most European nations that had started as early as the mid 1920's in Austria.

The above said I was not a fan of a number of provision of Smoot Hawley but argue the tariff on the basis of fact.

40 posted on 03/10/2004 2:13:25 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: JohnnyZ
I would also point out that the 1920's were considered boom years in the USA. That boom coincided with protectionist tariffs. Of course until Clinton the uSA maintained protectionist tariffs with a goal of free Trade with many nations. Of course until Clinton US traiffs were the bargaining chip to open up foreign markets to US goods. Nafta is not the issue but the current trade envirornment is the issue. Ryan should lay teh blame where it belongs on the Democrats who in teh name of Free trade enacted an anti-investment trade policy for the uSA.
41 posted on 03/10/2004 2:25:26 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: JohnnyZ
Jack Ryan says free market will create new jobs

We're over ten years with NAFTA --- it didn't happen yet.

42 posted on 03/10/2004 2:36:31 PM PST by FITZ
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To: harpseal
NAFTA, FTAA, Summit of the Americas and the Organization of American states are all treaties and foreign relations issues that are set to come down very hard on working Americans and our pocketbooks.
43 posted on 03/10/2004 2:41:13 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: harpseal
The effects of teh Smoot Hawley tariff were relatively minor one way or the other and it actually had some positive effects.

You are certainly welcome to have your little version of history. I'm not one who goes around pretending to be an expert. If you want to mock Jack Ryan, who went to Dartmouth and HBS and is 70 million dollars richer from practicing economics, and other folks who know what they're talking about, in favor of Pat Buchanan, or yourself -- well, forgive me if I don't consider you an authority.

The crowning folly of the Hoover administration was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in June 1930. It came on top of the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922, which had already put American agriculture in a tailspin during the preceding decade. The most protectionist legislation in U. S. history, Smoot-Hawley virtually closed the borders to foreign goods and ignited a vicious international trade war.

44 posted on 03/10/2004 5:16:27 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
I am just so tired of the same old "Smoot-Hawley" argument being hauled out time and time again. It is wrong, and it needs to be done away with forever. It's the economic equivalent of claiming the world is flat, it's just utter nonsense.

Just get used to it . . . imagine how a "free-trader" feels whenever somebody trots-out that Karl Marx quote.

45 posted on 03/10/2004 5:21:45 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JohnnyZ; 1rudeboy; A.J.Armitage; aruanan; Barnacle; BillyBoy; Bulldog; celeste_aida; cfrels; ...
Let's not let Johnny have all the fun!

Ryan is not the best candidate for our Conservative position. He is a moderate vote getter. At minimum, we should make sure he gets such a close margin of victory to the real Conservative in this race, that he acknowledges our presence, our patience, our ability to get votes, our more powerful vision. He should hear us.

Vote Rauschenberger! (geez - will the spellchecker catch that one?)

46 posted on 03/10/2004 5:39:01 PM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: RedWing9
Let's not let Johnny have all the fun!

Ha! You think arguing with Pat Buchanan is fun????!!!

Rauschie is finally about to break into double digits, but don't insult peoples' intelligence by saying Jack Ryan isn't conservative.

47 posted on 03/10/2004 5:46:45 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: RedWing9
I just can't get around Jack Ryan divorcing Jeri aka Seven on Nine; something has to be wrong with him.
48 posted on 03/10/2004 5:54:22 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: RedWing9
Sorry Redwing9, I cannot vote for someone who voted in to have Illinois Citizens to pay for tuition for Illegal Aliens!
And Rauschenberger helped pass the bill that is now Law!
Steve says: Show me your wallet! Let's Celebrate Criminal Activity! And while we are at it we will give these Criminals a break in tuition for their kids!
Sorry Redwing9, Later.
49 posted on 03/10/2004 6:19:36 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: RedWing9; chicagolady
Vote Rauschenberger! (geez - will the spellchecker catch that one?)

Rauschy be a rockin' an' a rollin' now!

There is no way any poll can measure the grassroots groundswell that is taking place for Rauschy. I heard one insider poll had Ryan losing two points per day beginning last Saturday. My guess (hope that is) is that Borling will drop a nuke that will take out both him and Jack!O.

Oh, and CL, make note: while you may not like one particular vote that Rauschy cast, rememeber that Obie has NEVER ONCE VOTED FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING EVER IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. He is free to make up any position he feels will play to whatever audience he targets. In 02 it was pro-lifers he characterized as Christian Taliban -- this year he gets his kicks flying over Soldier Field targeting illegal aliens. Should we tattoo their matricula numbers on their wrists before loading them into cattle cars -- only the Obie knows.

50 posted on 03/10/2004 6:47:46 PM PST by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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