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Sen. Stennis Shot in DC (1973 AFVN Radio transcript)
American Forces Vietnam Network (archive) ^ | January 73 | SP5 Jerry Elliott

Posted on 03/23/2004 10:38:40 PM PST by Sabertooth

This is the American Forces Vietnam Network.

< -snip- >

News compiled from major commercial and military news sources.

It’s 5 pm.

In the top of the News, Senator John Stennis underwent a lengthy operation at Walter Reed Army Medical Center after he was shot during a hold up in front of his Washington home today.

The surgery was for the removal of two bullets, one from the Senator’s chest, and one from his left leg.

A hospital spokesman says that Stennis’ condition is listed as stable.

White House News Secretary Ronald Ziegler says that President Nixon has been informed of the shooting, and has instructed the FBI to assist in every possible way.

A 1971 law makes it a federal crime to assault or kidnap or kill a member of Congress.

Stennis, who entered the Senate in 1947, is Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Police spokesman say the 71 year-old Mississippi Democrat was shot as he stepped from his car in front of his home.

They say the assailants got Stennis’ gold watch, wallet, and 25 cents in change.

The Senator reportedly offered no resistance to his assailants, and, after being shot, crawled fifty feet to his house, where his wife called the police.

Police say they are searching for two black men in connection with the shooting.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: 1973; centralresearchagncy; darkplot; johncstennis; johnfanatickerry; johnstennis; phoenixproject; phunghoang; scientology; stennis; tyronemarshall
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Full audio here:

http://swc2.hccs.cc.tx.us/rmorecook/afvnnewsjerryelliott.ram

I came across this old radio broadcast reporting the shooting of Senator John C. Stennis in 1973. There's been curiousity about the status of the shooters, since Stennis' name has turned up in recent revelations of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War's assassination plot against six U.S. Senators in November of 1971, called the Phoenix Project.

I figured the broadcast was worth transcribing.

Information on the shooting of Senator Stennis is sparse. Here are a few links:

Several years ago, the late United States Senator John Stennis of Mississippi was shot during an attempted robbery in front of his Washington, D.C. home.  One of the first persons to rush to his bedside was Senator Mark Hatfield of Oregon.  The reported story of their friendship amazed many students of politics.  Mark Hatfield was a liberal Republican and outspoken critic of the Vietnam War.  John Stennis was a conservative Democrat and one of the war's staunchest supporters.
Faith in Politics
Paul Hillegonds | Fifth Annual Henry Lecture
Calvin College | April 30, 2001
Senator Stennis' unselfish achievements during his long years of hard work did not come without great adversity. In 1973 he was shot twice during a holdup attempt in his front yard in northwest Washington, D. C. Although doctors didn't at first give much hope of Senator Stennis' survival, then later of ever walking again, he surprised practically everyone and recovered almost completely. He said his chief thought during those doubtful days was, "Would I be useful?" Senator Stennis' dedication and commitment to duty would not allow him to stop or slow down.
U.S. Senator John C. Stennis
www.ssc.nasa.gov/about/history/stennis

This is a weird one, apparently from a foreign language reading comprehension test, but it basically fits with my recollection...

Senator Stennis was the victim of a classic street crime. He happened to be an important politician, but that is not why he was shot. What happened to him could happen to anyone else.

Senator Stennis, Who is 71, Got out of his white car at 7:40 p.m. , outside his home at 3609 Cumberland Street. Two youths said, "Get them up." He put up no resistance. He handed over his wallet containing credit cards, driver's license, and the like, a gold watch and all the cash he had in his pockets-- twenty-five cents. The youths said, " Get them up." He put up no resistance. He handed over his wallet containing credit cards, driver's license, and the like, a gold watch and all the cash he had in his pockets¬ótwenty-five cents. The youths said either "Now we're going to shoot you any way," or "We ought to shoot you anyway." Anyway they did. One bullet hit him in the thigh and struck the bone, and the other entered his chest just below the breast pocket of his suit. It narrowly missed his heart.

Senator Stennis is a powerful political figure, but it is unlikely that the two young men knew who he was.

More likely his offense was that he had no more cash than a quarter¬ónot enough for a taking of drugs or two cups of coffee.
LINK

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this last link. One has to sort through a lot of Bildeburger & Illuminati tinfoil when researching assassinations or attacks on government officials. I'm including it only because it claims that there were convictions in the shooting of Senator Stennis.
Robert Olsen of the Rockefeller Commission reported that "HUNT categorically denied...any participation or involvement whatever in the attempted assassination of Governor Wallace, the disappearance of Congressman Hale Boggs or the shooting of Senator Stennis." [NARA SSCIA 157-10011-10090] Senator Stennis was shot on January 31, 1973, in front of his home in the capital during an apparent robbery. Three black men were convicted of this crime. There was no political motive.
http://www.ajweberman.com/nodules/nodule23.htm


1 posted on 03/23/2004 10:38:41 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Hon; doug from upland; OXENinFLA; Torie; Shermy





FYI


2 posted on 03/23/2004 10:40:08 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; kmiller1k; mhking; rdb3; Travis McGee; Shermy; ..





FYI


3 posted on 03/23/2004 10:40:42 PM PST by Sabertooth
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If it was VVAW, Kerry could've saved him had he reported it.
4 posted on 03/23/2004 10:41:09 PM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: Sabertooth
VVAW????
5 posted on 03/23/2004 10:41:54 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
Did any other of the 6 senators who were subject to Kerry & Co.'s assassination vote end up getting shot or killed?
6 posted on 03/23/2004 10:42:34 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Sabertooth
Interesting. Extremely interesting!
7 posted on 03/23/2004 10:42:54 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: Yaelle



Did any other of the 6 senators who were subject to Kerry & Co.'s assassination vote end up getting shot or killed?

John Tower died in a plane crash in 1991.

Strom Thurmond passed away last year.

The names of the other three Senators aren't known.


8 posted on 03/23/2004 10:47:31 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Interesting
9 posted on 03/23/2004 10:47:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Sabertooth
were any of them attacked or had an attempt on them in the early 70's?
10 posted on 03/23/2004 10:48:19 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Defender2
VVAW = Vietnam Veterans Against the WAR.
An organization in which John Kerry was a leader... that plotted to kill several US Senators, in an act of terrorism against the united states...

Kerry supposedly knew of that plot, but did NOT report it, as far as we know. However under questioning he DID admit to commiting war crimes against the Vietnamese People in violation of the Geneva conventions... during some federal type of investigation.

This assassination was of that era of VVAW leadership.
Kerry was arrested with other war protestors of the VVAW, but strangely even though he was photographed in an arrest lineup, his arrest record seems to be non existant.

that is what is referred to with the VVAW implication here.
we got our own osami ben kerri running for democrat president... no wonder the terrorists like johnny.
11 posted on 03/23/2004 10:54:14 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Sabertooth
I love original reporting
12 posted on 03/23/2004 10:57:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Thanks, Robert_Paulson2. I do know about VVAW. I was raising the question, was VVAW possibly involved in the Senator Stennis incident in 1973? I guess my VVAW???? could have been confusing. However for the threads sake, thank you very much for all that info.

Thanks, D2
13 posted on 03/23/2004 10:59:20 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
Jesse Helms was one.
14 posted on 03/23/2004 11:03:05 PM PST by Deb (Democrats HATE America...there's no other explanation.)
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent find - this is great work on your part.

Hark, I think I hear the sound of a million freepers hitting Google for "Stennis"...
15 posted on 03/23/2004 11:03:20 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Sabertooth

How often did early 70's bad guys shoot their victims just for the hell of it after they were cooperative? I know it happens today a lot, but wasn't it unusual back then?

This could have easily been a cleverly contracted hit. I wonder if that was a secondary VVAW vote in KC? You know... Let's murder! -- thumbs down. Let's contract it out? -- thumbs up! It's perfect, because Kerry can say of the assassination plan that he voted against it before voting for it.
16 posted on 03/23/2004 11:03:58 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: Deb
Jesse Helms was one.

Both Helms' and Sam Nunn's names have come up, but both were elected to the Senate in 1972, taking office in January of 1973. The VVAW Phoenix Project was debated and voted on in November of 1971.

It's possible that the list wasn't exclusively Senators, and Nunn was a Congressman from 1969 to 1973, but Helms was a radio and TV exec for a dozen years before going to the Senate.


17 posted on 03/23/2004 11:11:53 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Interesting Times

18 posted on 03/23/2004 11:12:17 PM PST by Nick Danger (Give me immortality... or give me death.)
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To: Axiom Nine
pinggggggggggggggggg
19 posted on 03/23/2004 11:16:31 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: spycatcher
How often did early 70's bad guys shoot their victims just for the hell of it after they were cooperative? I know it happens today a lot, but wasn't it unusual back then?

How often do robbers stake out the home of a U.S. Senator, and not know it's a Senator?

"Police spokesman say the 71 year-old Mississippi Democrat was shot as he stepped from his car in front of his home."


20 posted on 03/23/2004 11:17:37 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Umm, okay. I just saw his name in the first thread on this subject.
21 posted on 03/23/2004 11:17:45 PM PST by Deb (Democrats HATE America...there's no other explanation.)
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To: Sabertooth
Regarding Weberman's reference to Hunt and Wallace, Gore Vidal in New York Review of Books December 13, 1973 "The Art and Arts of E. Howard Hunt" implies Hunt was responsible for forging the scrawlings of Oswald, Sirhan, and Bremer, the latter being Wallace's shooter. Weberman coauthored Coup d'Etat in America with the central thesis that Hunt was one of the three tramps in Dealey Plaza.

Why Weberman would believe Hunt would want to end the Vietnam War and all that "CIA drug money" [see also Redford, "Three Days of the Condor"] is beyond rationalizing.

The Kansas City meeting of VVAW discussing assassination was November 17-21, 1971, and Stennis was shot January, 1973 by two African-Americans.

Kerry's Senate testimony claimed they were overrepresented in Vietnam, hence would find their action justified.

But of course he quit VVAW before attending the Kansas City meeting.

22 posted on 03/23/2004 11:20:26 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Deb
So they said, but that can't be true. Jesse Helms was first elected to the Senate in 1972.

Who else would have been there?

Well, thinking on the Senate in 1971, perhaps:
John Tower, Strom Thurmond, John Stennis (All Known) and, perhaps, Richard Russell (he stayed in the Senate until 1972, didn't he?), Henry Jackson? James Buckley?

Those are totally wild guesses, of course.
23 posted on 03/23/2004 11:22:30 PM PST by victoryatallcosts
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To: PhilDragoo





Yeah, I think it's nutty to suggest Hunt was involved. I only included that link as a possible jumping off point to confirming convictions for the Stennis shooters.


24 posted on 03/23/2004 11:27:16 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Time to look in to that houseboat, and don't plan on keeping it at Castaic.

Think open water.

25 posted on 03/23/2004 11:27:45 PM PST by nunya bidness (Yorktown)
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To: Sabertooth; William McKinley
"HUNT categorically denied...any participation or involvement whatever in the attempted assassination of Governor Wallace, the disappearance of Congressman Hale Boggs or the shooting of Senator Stennis."

Three powerful Southern Democrats. In three neighboring Southern states. All were anti-Communist.

Wallace and Stennis were pro-war. Boggs may have been the father of Cokie Roberts, can't really remember. His aircraft was presumed to have gone down in Alaska, I think. He's famous for reading the announcement that the Soviets had invaded Czeckoslavakia back in 1968.

"On August 22, 1968, during a Democratic Party hearing on Vietnam, Representative Hale Boggs was handed a press wire disclosing the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Following Boggs's announcement, Secretary of State Dean Rusk excused himself from the proceedings, explaining "I think I'll go and see what all of this is about."

Warren Commission member Boggs also called for the removal from office of his fellow Democrat J Edgar Hoover.

"On May 2nd, 1972, J. Edgar Hoover's chauffeur found his dead body sprawled on the floor of his home, ending a spectacularly colorful and controversial career. A little over a year ago, House Majority Leader T. Hale Boggs called for his removal as Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) (See April 22, 1971) For some time, Boggs had begun to feel more and more uncomfortable with Hoover's investigative methods. It all began with the WARREN COMMISSION: "Despite the Warren Commission's criticism of the FBI, the director had a vested interest in defending its conclusion that Oswald had acted ALONE. By the fall of 1966, dozens of books and articles had challenged the commission's findings. Hoping to find derogatory information that could be used to discredit these efforts, Hoover, at the president's request, investigated the authors of seven books critical of the Warren Report, turning up the information that one writer had been discharged from the military for mental problems while several others had belonged to leftist organizations."

By hook or crook political power shifted in a brief amount of time after "events" occurred to all three.

26 posted on 03/23/2004 11:40:08 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Sabertooth
Of course it is obvious, but JFK's assasination was in yet *another* neighboring Southern state, Texas. Of course, that's a pretty weak connection since it was 10 years earlier *and* the other events did not occur in the Southern states themselves, but rather, to Southern Democrats (conservative ones, or at least all anti-Communists) from those neighboring Southern states.
27 posted on 03/23/2004 11:45:54 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Defender2
was VVAW possibly involved in the Senator Stennis incident in 1973?

indeed that is the million vote question...
and that is an implication that could be investigated.
28 posted on 03/23/2004 11:45:59 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Sabertooth
Anybody suggesting that kerry's boys might have been implicated in this plot to kill stennis... yet?
29 posted on 03/23/2004 11:47:29 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Kerry was arrested with other war protestors of the VVAW, but strangely even though he was photographed in an arrest lineup, his arrest record seems to be non existant.

That's the 1st I've heard of that. Can you point me toward some more info on it?

30 posted on 03/23/2004 11:49:56 PM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I for one agree that it needs to be looked at.
31 posted on 03/23/2004 11:55:56 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Peach; prairiebreeze; Dog; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Hon
ping
32 posted on 03/23/2004 11:58:16 PM PST by kayak (The terrorists ... are offended by our existence as free nations. ~ GWB 3/19/04)
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To: Southack
Boggs may have been the father of Cokie Roberts, can't really remember. His aircraft was presumed to have gone down in Alaska, I think.

He is Cokie's father, and his plane went down over Alaska October 16th, 1972, never found.

I don't have a handle on his Vietnam War position. He was a member of the Waren Commission.


33 posted on 03/23/2004 11:59:33 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: BykrBayb
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065081/posts
34 posted on 03/24/2004 12:01:14 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Sabertooth
Good information! Is there a statute of limitation for conspriracy to commit murder?
35 posted on 03/24/2004 12:05:30 AM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: BykrBayb

36 posted on 03/24/2004 12:06:21 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Sabertooth
The plot thickens....
37 posted on 03/24/2004 12:06:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sabertooth
This is gettin' downright creepy.
38 posted on 03/24/2004 12:07:20 AM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: Sabertooth
I think you found a link. Whether it could ever be proved.................
39 posted on 03/24/2004 12:11:12 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: philetus
hillary can probably prove it JUST in time to rush in at the last minute and save the convention... and expose Kerry...

the witch is out there.
YOu can almost smell her crustiness...
and I wanna puke.
40 posted on 03/24/2004 12:15:12 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Thank you.
41 posted on 03/24/2004 12:15:20 AM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: Sabertooth
Good find!
BUMP
42 posted on 03/24/2004 12:16:28 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Robert_Paulson2
How forgetful of me! I've seen that thread. I've read so much about J. F'ing Kerry, I actually forgot about the arrest. It seems pretty trivial in light of everything else. LOL
43 posted on 03/24/2004 12:18:46 AM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: GeronL




I love original reporting

Did you know I served in Vietnam?


44 posted on 03/24/2004 12:21:19 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
You too?? Like Kerry??

How did you dig this up??

KNow anyone who can dig into Vietnam archives to see if Kerry met Ho Chi Minh??

45 posted on 03/24/2004 12:28:04 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: GeronL
You too?? Like Kerry??

No, check my tagline.

How did you dig this up??

Googling Stennis combinations.

KNow anyone who can dig into Vietnam archives to see if Kerry met Ho Chi Minh??

Wish I did.


46 posted on 03/24/2004 12:31:27 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
oh ok. tagline.. got it.

Hey, get on a plane to Vietnam and go look through Mihn's personal archive.... a nice communist country like Vietnam should have no problem with that. =o)

47 posted on 03/24/2004 12:35:25 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
48 posted on 03/24/2004 12:44:07 AM PST by PRND21
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To: PRND21; Lancey Howard; GeronL; teletech; Travis McGee; philetus; Southack; Sen Jack S. Fogbound

Coincidence?

Senator Stennis was shot on January 30th, 1973, and the Paris Peace Accords were signed January 17th, with the cease-fire taking effect on January 27th, 1973.

AGREEMENT ON ENDING THE WAR AND RESTORING PEACE IN VIET-NAM
The Parties participating in the Paris Conference on Viet-Nam,

With a view to ending the war and restoring peace in Viet-Nam on the basis of respect for the Vietnamese people's fundamental national rights and the South Vietnamese people's right to self- determination, and to contributing to the consolidation of peace in Asia and the world,

Have agreed on the following provisions and undertake to respect and to implement them:

Chapter I
THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE'S FUNDAMENTAL NATIONAL RIGHTS

    Article 1

    The United States and all other countries respect the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Viet-Nam as recognized by the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Viet- Nam.

Chapter II
CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES - WITHDRAWAL OF TROOPS,

    Article 2

    A cease-fire shall be observed throughout South Viet-Nam as of 2400 hours G.M.T. [Greenwich Mean Time], on January 27, 1973.

    At the same hour, the United States will stop all its military activities against the territory of the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam by ground, air and naval forces, wherever they may be based, and end the mining of the territorial waters, ports, harbors, and waterways of the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam. The United States will remove, permanently deactivate or destroy all the mines in the territorial waters, ports, harbors, and waterways of North Viet-Nam as soon as this Agreement goes into effect.


    Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam
    signed in Paris and entered into force January 17, 1973

IIRC, we continued bombing between the 17th and 27th, because the North kept fighting.


49 posted on 03/24/2004 12:55:05 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Southack; Sabertooth
Of course it is obvious, but JFK's assasination was in yet *another* neighboring Southern state, Texas. Of course, that's a pretty weak connection since it was 10 years earlier *and* the other events did not occur in the Southern states themselves, but rather, to Southern Democrats (conservative ones, or at least all anti-Communists) from those neighboring Southern states.

Before sharing some thoughts on this, I'd want to preface with a caveat by echoing Sabertooth's caution in Post #1 against tinfoil links, as it will be difficult for me to document what I have to say here through online references only without linking to tinfoil sites, and it's a bit late at night for me to go digging up offline references. So some of the sites I'm going to link here, I link with the assumption of a large grain of salt and without endorsing everything claimed on these sites.

That said, I've done my share of research on various assassinations, and I will mention one of the more intriguing possible links I've found between the shootings of JFK, RFK, and George Wallace. Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged associate David Ferrie belonged to a schismatic cult called the "the Orthodox Old Catholic Church of North America -- also known as the Old Roman Catholic Church, Old Rite Orthodox Catholic Church, and Orthodox Catholic Church, among many other similar names." (David Ferrie and Earl Anglin James: Bishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church--Note: this group should not be confused with the Roman Catholic Church, nor with another church that also uses a similar name but predates Ferrie's group.) According to (I believe, off the top of my head) one study of the RFK assassination (William W. Turner and Jonn G. Christian LV, The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: The Conspiracy and Coverup--see review at http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01/WI) and page references at http://www.namebase.org/main4/William-Joseph-jr-Bryan.html), another associate of this group was psychologist William Joseph Bryan, who was an expert in "Manchurian Candidate"-type applications of psychology and was allegedly linked to Sirhan Sirhan. Bryan was also allegedly linked to Arthur Bremer, according to research summarized at this site:

In fact, Bremer had checked out two books on Sirhan from the Milwaukee Public Library in 1972 and had made comments about them in his journal. But perhaps the most interesting connection yet is the one discovered by Betsy Langman. Langman flew from her New York home to Los Angeles to talk to Dr. William Bryan, suspected hypnotist of Sirhan in the RFK assassination saga. On the pretext of doing an article on hypnosis, she encouraged the egotistical Bryan to elaborate at length on his ventures with "Boston Strangler" Albert Di Salvo, "Hollywood Strangler" Henry Bush, and about hypnosis in general. But when she brought up the subject of Sirhan, Bryan became suddenly curt and short-winded, charging out of the office declaring "This interview is over!"

A sympathetic secretary of Bryan’s joined Langman for coffee across the street, and dropped an interesting item. As Bill Turner and Jonn Christian recounted it in their book on the RFK case,

According to the secretary, Bryan had received an emergency call from Laurel, Marlyand, only minutes after George Wallace was shot. The call somehow concerned the shooting.25 [cites Turner and Christian, p. 227.]

Could Bremer have been hypnotized to shoot Wallace?

Also, while looking up the above references, I found one site (very tinfoil, I'll caution, as I haven't had a chance to fact-check this against other sources yet) which alleges:

Sirhan Sirhan

A co-worker of Sirhan at the stables was Thomas Bremer, whose mind-controlled brother Arthur, shot Governor George Wallace in 1972.

Whether these connections are coincidental or substantial or what they mean I don't claim to know; I post this in case anyone researching these subjects finds the information useful. However I will say this: ever since I've heard about the VVAW's assassination plans, I have suspected a connection to the George Wallace shooting; I've also been reminded of the Symbionese Liberation Army and Manson cult's attempts on President Ford in September 1975 (note that the SLA and the Family had formed an alliance at that time, and the SLA was in turn linked to a Maoist group that I would suspect of having at least distant kinship to the VVAW--for some interesting info on this, see Jim Martin, America's Al-Qaeda: The SLA-Venceremos Connection; also on the Family see the work of Ed Sanders and Maury Terry who link the Family to a Scientology-derived cult with various terrorist ties); and what I've read so far in this thread reinforces my suspicions that the VVAW assassination plot may have been part of a larger terrorist plot by the antiwar movement against pro-war politicians. If that was a case, I'd assume such a plot was ultimately KGB-directed (which would not be unprecedented given what is now known about KGB assassination operations in North America, Trotsky's assassination being one well-documented non-tinfoil example, Stalin's attempt to assassinate John Wayne being another which has recently come to light). How that may or may not relate to the two Kennedy shootings is a huge subject I won't attempt to address here at approximately 3:00 in the morning my time. And am I suggesting Kerry would've been aware of all this if it was going on?--no, if there was such a plot he'd be a very low-level conspirator on the outermost fringes of the process, I'd imagine; though even that would be scandalous given his negligence to report what plotting by the VVAW he was aware of, IMO.

At any rate, that's all on this for me for tonight. I'll check the thread again tomorrow, and if anyone has any further thoughts on this topic I'll be interested to hear them. Gonna go sleep under my tinfoil sheets now :) G'night all!

50 posted on 03/24/2004 1:04:25 AM PST by Fedora
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