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Supes ban sales of .50-caliber rifles
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | Wed, Mar. 24, 2004 | Peter Felsenfeld

Posted on 03/24/2004 9:53:26 AM PST by B4Ranch







Posted on Wed, Mar. 24, 2004


Supes ban sales of .50-caliber rifles


CONTRA COSTA TIMES

Contra Costa supervisors deflected volleys from Second Amendment advocates Tuesday and prohibited the sale of a weapon they say could transform a refinery into a fiery chemical weapon.

The board voted 4-0 to ban firearms dealers from distributing powerful .50-caliber rifles in the county's unincorporated areas. Supervisor Millie Greenberg of Danville was absent.

"I believe it's our responsibility in terms of health, safety and welfare to move ahead with this ordinance," said Supervisor Gayle Uilkema of Lafayette, who sponsored the measure along with John Gioia of Richmond.

The ban will go into effect 30 days after a scheduled second reading April 6. It will apply to just two gun retailers, neither of which sell the weapon. However, the board plans to magnify the ordinance's impact by imploring cities throughout the county to adopt similar measures.

Supervisors took their action in the shadow of a probable lawsuit. The California Rifle and Pistol Association on Monday faxed each supervisor part of a complaint the association intends to file.

The board defeated a lawsuit filed by developers and cities when it constricted the urban limit line in 2000, Gioia said. Supervisors didn't back down then, he said, and they shouldn't now.

"We stood firm, we did what we thought was best in the in the public interest, and we won," he said.

About 20 gun advocates blasted the supervisors for passing a meaningless ordinance that they said violates their Second Amendment rights. The legislation hurts gun owners, but does nothing to combat terrorism, said Al Di Prima, a Concord resident.

"After 9/11, we didn't ban airplanes or tall buildings because we were afraid of terrorism," he said. "After the Oklahoma City bombing we didn't ban Chevy vans and fertilizer."

Bill Tharp, a San Ramon resident and NRA member, called the restrictions a "ridiculous waste of time and money," especially with Contra Costa facing a possible $82.4 million shortfall next year.

"This county is running in the red," he said. "We have serious, serious budget problems. The supervisors need to be spending time balancing the budget, not passing gun control laws."

Countering claims of fiscal irresponsibility, Juliet Leftwich, managing attorney for the nonprofit Legal Community Against Violence, offered to help the board find pro bono legal help to defend against gun lobbyists.

To highlight the weapon's destructive power, supervisors showed a Marine training video of a .50-caliber rifle blowing holes in a 31/2-inch-thick manhole cover and a stack of 8-inch thick cinder blocks.

The gun rights advocates cried foul, saying the film demonstrated a military assault rifle and armor-piercing bullets, both already illegal under state and federal law.

"That Marine film was about as disingenuous as you can get to us," said Pittsburg resident Darryl Phillips.

A smaller group of gun control advocates praised the supervisors' action. "This is an extremely dangerous weapon we don't want in our community," said Andres Soto, board member of the Violence Policy Prevention Center.

Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, has introduced a state ban on selling .50-caliber rifles. The Senate Public Safety Committee is reviewing the bill.





© 2004 Contra Costa Times and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.contracostatimes.com



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KEYWORDS: 50caliber; 50caliberrifle; bang; banglist; guncontrol
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Now that the board voted 4-0 to ban firearms dealers from distributing powerful .50-caliber rifles in the county's unincorporated areas, I certainly hope the people of CC Co. feel much safer.
1 posted on 03/24/2004 9:53:27 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Now, on to .45 ammo.
2 posted on 03/24/2004 9:55:32 AM PST by stylin19a (Is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: stylin19a
eh why wait, just go for .22. Or even the .17 Hornet.

Why all the delaying and frog boiling? Either ban or stop the madness.
3 posted on 03/24/2004 9:56:28 AM PST by Monty22
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4 posted on 03/24/2004 9:57:23 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To highlight the weapon's destructive power, supervisors showed a Marine training video of a .50-caliber rifle blowing holes in a 31/2-inch-thick manhole cover and a stack of 8-inch thick cinder blocks.

The gun rights advocates cried foul, saying the film demonstrated a military assault rifle and armor-piercing bullets, both already illegal under state and federal law.
5 posted on 03/24/2004 9:58:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
30-06 will be next...
6 posted on 03/24/2004 10:02:07 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: B4Ranch; cyborg
Where can i get that T-shirt???? I need one, and i need it now!

Extremely cool pic B4R.


7 posted on 03/24/2004 10:14:46 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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Right-to-carry guns is proven way to reduce the crime rate
8 posted on 03/24/2004 10:15:46 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: spetznaz; Eaker
Ping Eaker for the shirt.
9 posted on 03/24/2004 10:16:53 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
More Eastbay silliness.

Surely, .50 cal enthusiasts will go to another county to purchase their hardware and Contra Costa will lose out on the sales tax revenue (isn't it something like 8.5% in CA now?). Stooopid.

Shoot straight!!

10 posted on 03/24/2004 10:22:35 AM PST by Skybird
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Top cop facing gun quiz
11 posted on 03/24/2004 10:24:23 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: archy
PING

I'm sure you have seven of these already... for each day of the week :-)
12 posted on 03/24/2004 10:25:51 AM PST by cyborg (my profile page speaks for itself)
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To: Joe Brower
Joe, would you ping your full list for this article, the link at #8 and the link at #11.

Thank you, Sir.
13 posted on 03/24/2004 10:27:23 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
I live in Ca Ca county. The liberals abound here. My dream rifle is the 50 Cal.
14 posted on 03/24/2004 10:30:43 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: B4Ranch; spetznaz
The shirt and the hat, too!
15 posted on 03/24/2004 10:31:42 AM PST by Little Pig
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To: Skybird
The four idiots who passed the vote will sleep so much better now knowing they have done every little thing they could .........and the money from the DNC will start coming in too!

Plus they will now be favorites of Dingbat Feinstein. That's a big plus!
16 posted on 03/24/2004 10:31:55 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: spetznaz
Wondering what is cropped out of the photo in the direction of the gun barrel. Just curious.
17 posted on 03/24/2004 10:32:15 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, never in doubt!)
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To: B4Ranch; concordKIWI
Welcome to Kalifornia ~ damn, I glad I left there in '90!

Be Ever Vigilant!
18 posted on 03/24/2004 10:32:40 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: B4Ranch
The people that would shoot at a refinery would buy their guns locally? Idiots.
19 posted on 03/24/2004 10:36:00 AM PST by glorgau
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To: B4Ranch
It's good to know that no law-abiding citizens will be shooting up oil tanks.
20 posted on 03/24/2004 10:36:17 AM PST by ampat (to)
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To: glock rocks; Squantos
PING
21 posted on 03/24/2004 10:37:42 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
The people deserve the government they elect. Someday, maybe, people will wake up. The questioned is, will it be to late?
22 posted on 03/24/2004 10:40:08 AM PST by kimber (Fight for the Right to Bear Arms!)
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To: clamper1797
Next month at the Reno Hilton, I am sure there will be .50's on sale, possibly some from "private sellers". April 23-25, 2004

This is one of the biggest shows we have in the valley. There is everything you could want at this show.

April 23-25, 2004
The Big Reno Show
(Lou Fascio, Inc.)
Reno Hilton Hotel
Reno, Nv.
Fri. & Sat. 9-6, Sun. 9-4

FREE PARKING
23 posted on 03/24/2004 10:41:09 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
So we know supes can ban a caliber. Begs the question: What caliber does it take to ban a supe?
24 posted on 03/24/2004 10:41:35 AM PST by LTCJ (Gridlock '05 - the Lesser of Three Evils.)
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To: B4Ranch
KALIBAN ALERT!!
25 posted on 03/24/2004 10:45:42 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: B4Ranch
When I have a loose couple of thousand ... I'll probably get one ... as long as I can still even own it here in Kalifornistan
26 posted on 03/24/2004 10:50:41 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: LTCJ
"What caliber does it take to ban a supe?"

Paul Revere and his gang knew how to do it!

27 posted on 03/24/2004 11:00:33 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
you can punch a hole in cinder block with a sling shot..
28 posted on 03/24/2004 11:02:30 AM PST by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: B4Ranch
"Bill Tharp, a San Ramon resident and NRA member, called the restrictions a "ridiculous waste of time and money," especially with Contra Costa facing a possible $82.4 million shortfall next year."

Why aren't they devoting their time to fixing their busted budget? Are they hoping their efforts at misdirection will keep constituent heat off their collective butts?
29 posted on 03/24/2004 11:07:21 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (.50 caliber rounds cost roughly $3 apiece. That's a cost savings of $49,997.)
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To: Skybird
Surely, .50 cal enthusiasts will go to another county to purchase their hardware and Contra Costa will lose out on the sales tax revenue (isn't it something like 8.5% in CA now?). Stooopid.

And any terrorists will bring their own. Course their style is more fertilizer, TNT, or C-4. Even a 30-06 (say from a early 20th century bolt action) could wreak havoc in a refinery, to say nothing of more powerful cartridges that are still commonly used for hunting. (In Clancy's "Red Storm Rising", a handful of Islamic fundamentalists managed the feat with only a couple of AKs and the knowledge in their heads).

30 posted on 03/24/2004 11:12:02 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: B4Ranch

WindRunner 50BMG

31 posted on 03/24/2004 11:13:24 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
Now all they need to do is come out with a flashless powder. You know something that doesn't light up the entire range with each shot.
32 posted on 03/24/2004 11:20:03 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
The logic is a bit hard to follow. Criminals may use firearms to commit crimes, therefore ban law abiding citizens from owning firearms to make us safer.
33 posted on 03/24/2004 11:27:32 AM PST by TheDon (John Kerry, self proclaimed war criminal, Democratic Presidential nominee)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; ...
B4Ranch ping! Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
34 posted on 03/24/2004 11:30:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: B4Ranch
I'm gonna have to get me one of those...
35 posted on 03/24/2004 11:32:42 AM PST by jdege
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To: TheDon
The terrorists and criminals can be positive that Ronnie Barrett will not be selling any models of his .50's to the police departments in ....... Alamo - Antioch - Bay Point - Bethel Island - Blackhawk - Brentwood - Byron - Canyon - Clayton - Concord - Crockett - Danville - Diablo - Discovery Bay - El Cerrito - El Sobrante - Hercules - Hilltop Mall - Knightsen - Lafayette - Martinez - Moraga - Moraga Town - North Richmond - Oakley - Orinda - Pacheco - Pinole - Pittsburg - Pleasant Hill - Point Richmond - Port Costa - Richmond - Rodeo - San Pablo - San Ramon - Walnut Creek

That is the list of cities in Contra Costa County, Kalifornia.
36 posted on 03/24/2004 11:38:01 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
a weapon they say could transform a refinery into a fiery chemical weapon.

They must be talking about a box of road flares.

37 posted on 03/24/2004 11:39:16 AM PST by wingnutx (the freeper formerly known Britton J. Wingnutx [tanstaafl])
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To: wingnutx
and a cross bow!
38 posted on 03/24/2004 11:41:39 AM PST by B4Ranch (" A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation" President Reagan)
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To: B4Ranch
I'm sure that crossbows are actually on their list.

39 posted on 03/24/2004 11:44:28 AM PST by wingnutx (the freeper formerly known Britton J. Wingnutx [tanstaafl])
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To: B4Ranch
The 19th. Amendment to the US Constitution [women's suffrage] repealed the 2nd Amendment. With all due respect to the Second Amendment Sisters, the majority of women in this country want to eliminate guns altogether. Just remember that when you vote.
40 posted on 03/24/2004 11:52:25 AM PST by elbucko
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To: B4Ranch
Unless it has been repealed Kalifornia has a state law that forbids counties or cities from passing local gun control laws that are more restrictive than those adopted by the state.

I know it is not always enforced, but if it is still on the books getting this nonsense tossed should be easy!
41 posted on 03/24/2004 11:53:38 AM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: B4Ranch
The gun rights advocates cried foul, saying the film demonstrated a military assault rifle and armor-piercing bullets, both already illegal under state and federal law.

Uhhh, Im afraid neither the rifle or the ammo used it that video are illegal under federal law. Ive seen the video and its a barret M82 firing the raufoss round. Ive seen both for sale legaly.
42 posted on 03/24/2004 11:54:14 AM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: B4Ranch
Sheesh! Don't anybody tell these clowns about the time some Japanese radicals tried to blowup an airport tank farm with a radio-controlled aircraft/bomb! They'll be banning that next.
43 posted on 03/24/2004 11:59:14 AM PST by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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To: B4Ranch
Contra Costa County. Not suprised one bit.
44 posted on 03/24/2004 12:07:21 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (""I don't need no doctor"")
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To: xsrdx
Bump from the rooftop.
45 posted on 03/24/2004 12:09:59 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: B4Ranch
How soon before they come for these:


46 posted on 03/24/2004 12:13:16 PM PST by spodefly (A tagline is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: clamper1797
What a bunch of rubes... Now I have to try to figure out how to round up enough dough to get one by then... ;-)
47 posted on 03/24/2004 12:14:32 PM PST by Axenolith
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To: Joe Brower
Kalifornia is becoming almost unlivable for gun owners ~ I left in '90 ~ didn't want to give up my Ruger Mini-14 Bullpup with its 90 rd drum mag. :):)
48 posted on 03/24/2004 12:18:55 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
New York is the worst I think. The permit fees are outrageous.
49 posted on 03/24/2004 12:21:33 PM PST by cyborg (my profile page speaks for itself)
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To: B4Ranch
I'll be taking delivery of my AR-50 BMG later this spring, in a barter trade with my local armorer, for phase 3 of his residence landscaping. Phase 2 netted me an AR-10 with a Leupold scope, plus cash. His wife has expensive tastes.

He has a pristine 1921 Thompson, Colt-built, .45cal with 50-rnd drum mag, valued at $50,000 which I'd love to work a deal on. Of course, the Class 3 stamp is no biggie, as I have one for my AR-15s short barrel and silencer. Another 4-5mos wait would be worth it to own that Tommy Gun.

< /drooling all over the keyboard >
50 posted on 03/24/2004 12:27:11 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff.)
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