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Plane Crash/Explosion at RDU International (Raleigh/Durham,NC)
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Posted on 03/26/2004 12:19:41 PM PST by jern

Heads up, there has been some kind of explosion at RDU airport in Raleigh, just got a call from someone who works near the airport. Will post more in a second.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: f18; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; planecrash; raleigh; rdu; richmond
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To: jern
The news keeps saying that the pilot ejected. Is not the F-18 a two seater?
51 posted on 03/26/2004 12:57:55 PM PST by Rogle
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To: Howlin
My boss just flew into the airport today, but had left by the time of the crash.
52 posted on 03/26/2004 12:58:24 PM PST by Constitution Day (Over 140,000 FReepers, and just about all of us will be going pro in something other than politics.)
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To: jamz
Very cool. Tell him this Freeper thanks him for his service.
53 posted on 03/26/2004 12:59:10 PM PST by Constitution Day (Over 140,000 FReepers, and just about all of us will be going pro in something other than politics.)
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To: jern
I'm supposed to fly in to RDU tommorrow, yikes.

I hope the pilot is OK.
54 posted on 03/26/2004 12:59:54 PM PST by machman
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To: mwl1
Agreed.

The next time it's mentioned...maybe the RNC should round up family members of ANG pilots that died flying the same type of plane Bush flew in during his service and have them express outrage.

Or use an empty office with a telephone to forward these people's names to the AP. Oh wait...this is sounding familiar.

It sucks operating a political campaign in a double standard world.
55 posted on 03/26/2004 1:00:15 PM PST by jamz
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To: mwl1
As much as I'd like to...don't confuse this event with the ANG based there. It's an Apache outfit only that I know of.

Someone from that unit would have to confirm. It's a maintenance unit as well.
56 posted on 03/26/2004 1:04:03 PM PST by jamz
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To: Howlin
Local TV is saying they don't have any condition reports on the pilot. :-(

Damn. Prayers for his safety.

57 posted on 03/26/2004 1:08:54 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: joebellis
Look out Florida

I'm taking the kids to the airshow on Sunday...but we're on the I-75 side (the better side).

58 posted on 03/26/2004 1:09:19 PM PST by Florida_Freeper
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To: jern
This is the second plane to go down in two days. Wasn't the one off SC a F-18? What is up with that?
59 posted on 03/26/2004 1:11:44 PM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: mwl1
Perhaps someone should point out to the national media and to Senator Kerry that being a National Guard pilot is not hazard-free duty.

Very good, email the Bush campaign and give them a heads up.

60 posted on 03/26/2004 1:13:32 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Rogle
Not usually . . . there are some used for training, but most are single seaters.
61 posted on 03/26/2004 1:13:42 PM PST by Taipei Personality (Criminal intent is a matter of will, not weapons.)
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To: Constitution Day
Please. Thank you.
62 posted on 03/26/2004 1:27:55 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: annyokie
I will be glad to.

Also, mykdsmom and TaxRelief have copies of the list.

63 posted on 03/26/2004 1:29:10 PM PST by Constitution Day (Over 140,000 FReepers, and just about all of us will be going pro in something other than politics.)
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To: Constitution Day
Thanks! I'm on the Dixie List and I'd be proud to be on your NC list.
64 posted on 03/26/2004 1:30:31 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: annyokie
:) You're so sweet.
65 posted on 03/26/2004 1:32:26 PM PST by Constitution Day (Over 140,000 FReepers, and just about all of us will be going pro in something other than politics.)
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To: Catspaw
A person on another plane said that the pilot ejected and hit the run way; he said it looked like he might have hit his canopy; he said that the pilot lay on the runway for a few minutes, then started rolling around and got up. He is at the local hospital in "good condition."
66 posted on 03/26/2004 1:35:22 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Taxman
ping
67 posted on 03/26/2004 1:37:19 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: Howlin
Good condition? I hope it's nothing more than bumps and bruises.
68 posted on 03/26/2004 1:37:37 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: looscnnn
I didn't hear about one going down off of SC. Any links?
69 posted on 03/26/2004 1:39:09 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: dixie sass
May have heard that puppy coming in. We're 20M from RDU and rarely get air traffic overhead. Heard someone up there coming over real low. Clearly was not commercial airtraffic. (Heard plenty of that while in NJ)
70 posted on 03/26/2004 1:42:19 PM PST by Swanks
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To: Swanks
We hear the fighters occasionally overhead heading south. Usually Marines, sometimes Navy.
71 posted on 03/26/2004 1:44:35 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: SirAllen
"Radio report said that the pilot was having trouble and radioed for an emergency landing near the closest airport which happened to be RDU. He came up short and ejected. The airport has been closed."

I was just out in that area and saw a lot of smoke in the distance and a couple of helicopters hovering over the area. I couldn't see much more than that. But, I just heard a guy on the radio saying he watched the two Hornets taking off in tandem. The caller was a airplane mechanic working on his own plane and had just taken a break to watch the jets depart. The right one took off while the left veered to the left off the runway, bounced a few times, he noticed the landing gear collapsed as it blew by him at an extremely high speed, it bounced another time as it caught fire, the pilot punched out and the plane started doing flips then got airborn and veered to the right toward Terminal A where it finally hit the ground in a huge fireball. He lost track of the pilot and chute as he was concerned that the plane was about to hit the Terminal but I guess from his standpoint he didn't realize that the plane was much further down the runway and the Terminal wasn't in jeopardy.

Also, another caller said he was on 540 and he watched an F-18 landing as it crossed his path in front of him (Angus Barn side of the airport). A minute or two later, the report of the crash was on WPTF. This was most likely the second F-18 returning.

72 posted on 03/26/2004 1:47:20 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: mwl1
that being a National Guard pilot is not hazard-free duty

Being any type of pilot is not hazard-free.

73 posted on 03/26/2004 1:55:35 PM PST by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: jern
They have a remarkable record of safety.

Or I wouldn't be comfortable watching them pass over my house on touch and go's every minute or so.

Go Navy!
74 posted on 03/26/2004 2:02:27 PM PST by OpusatFR (Sure they want to tone down the rhetoric. We are winning.)
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To: Hatteras
Latest from WRAL:

A military plane crashed on a runway east of Raleigh-Durham International Airport, catching on fire and sending a huge plume of smoke into the air visible from several miles away.

The jet was identified as an F-18 C Strike Fighter Squadron 15, or VFA-15. It was based in Oceana, Va., and had stopped to refuel during a routine training mission. The pilot ejected and was reported to be in good condition at WakeMed.

RDU spokesperson Theresa Damiano said the jet never left the ground and appeared to swerve out of control as it taxied down the runway.

Damiano said no buildings were hit, but Terminal A was shut down.

Traffic into the airport was reduced from five lanes to one.

The plane crashed on a runway several hundred yards from Terminal A. Emergency personnel worked for nearly an hour to put out the fire, dousing it with foam.

Witness Brad Williams, who was doing construction work in an area of Terminal A, said it appeared that turbulence from another F-18 that took off just seconds earlier may have knocked the jet off the runway.

There were reports of the jet "cartwheeling" down the runway, with skid marks and debris showing the path it took. The pilot ejected before the plane came to rest right-side up, and he was seen walking around while waiting for an ambulance to pick him up.

There were no injuries on the ground.

"Airspace was closed for a small period of time," Damiano said. "But the FAA is allowing some takeoffs and departures on a limited basis. Do not come to RDU if you have no reason to."

75 posted on 03/26/2004 2:14:17 PM PST by NCjim
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To: Constitution Day; joebellis
It's a big country. Sixty miles is spitting distance.

You can bet LE up and down the east coast is going to be out in force this weekend.

76 posted on 03/26/2004 2:22:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: dixie sass
Thanks for the ping, dixie. Glad the pilot got out.

"Zero-zero" ejection seat bump!
77 posted on 03/26/2004 2:22:46 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taipei Personality; Rogle; Pukin Dog
IIRC, the F/18 -A, and -C are singles, and the -B and -D are two seaters, usually for trainers

with the Super Hornet E/F models, I figured they'd follow suit with the E a single and the F a two-seater ... however I saw an two-seater they said was an E so maybe they've gone two seats full ... anyone confirm? PD?
78 posted on 03/26/2004 2:25:11 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Constitution Day
kissy
79 posted on 03/26/2004 2:25:44 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: jern; All
From Navy Times:

F/A-18 crashes at takeoff in N.C.; pilot ejects

March 26, 2004

By Steve Hartsoe
Associated Press

MORRISVILLE, N.C. — A military pilot ejected from his F-18 just before it crashed in flames Friday during a failed takeoff from Raleigh-Durham International Airport. Airport spokeswoman Teresa Damiano said the F-18 Hornet crashed on the east side of the airport around 3 p.m. The pilot, who was the only person on board, ejected before the crash, Damiano said, adding that no one on the ground was injured.

The condition of the pilot was not immediately known, but an eyewitness said he saw the pilot walking around after ejecting from the plane.

It was not immediately clear where the aircraft was based. Military public affairs officials at the Oceana Naval Air Station in Virginia Beach, Va., where F-18s are based, said they were still gathering details on the incident.

Film taken after the crash showed the plane engulfed in flames just off a runway at the airport, which is in Morrisville, between Raleigh and Durham. Thick black smoke poured from the aircraft.

Damiano later said the fire was under control and that there had been no damage to any airport facilities.

The cause of the crash was not immediately known.

Damiano said the airspace around the airport was closed temporarily after the incident, but that by 4 p.m. the Federal Aviation Administration was allowing some aicraft to arrive and depart on a limited basis. Damiano told passengers using the airport to expect delays.

She said military planes regularly take off and land from the airport.

Eyewitnesses said they saw the pilot eject just before the crash.

Frank Belote was watching from a passenger plane that was waiting to taxi as a pair of F-18s took off.

After the first one took off, “the front of the (second) plane blew up and the pilot immediately ejected,” Belote told News 14 Carolina.

He said the pilot laid on the ground without moving for quite a while, but another witness said he saw the pilot get up and walk around before an ambulance arrived at the scene.

Andy Palahnuck said the plane never got off the ground before it crashed just off the runway.

80 posted on 03/26/2004 2:32:25 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (All the good taglines are taken.)
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To: Hatteras; SirAllen
So who "radioed for an emergency landing at the nearest airport" since this F-18 never left the ground before crashing and certainly knew where he was?
81 posted on 03/26/2004 2:35:03 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The pics from the helicopter showed it came to a rest less than a hundred yards from a jet fuel terminal.
82 posted on 03/26/2004 2:37:37 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I would think that would have been an erroneous report.
83 posted on 03/26/2004 2:38:32 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; TomGuy; TBall; Calpernia; Sacajaweau; philetus; OXENinFLA; Mudboy Slim; ...
From your post, Frank Belote, an eyewitness to the crash, said "the front of the (second) plane blew up and the pilot immediately ejected."

Remember those words. We won't see them again.

84 posted on 03/26/2004 2:44:38 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Dunno. You how the first reports always turn out, it's what was reported on PTF.
85 posted on 03/26/2004 3:27:56 PM PST by SirAllen
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To: SirAllen
First reports are notoriously correct. More so, at least, than the filtering that follows them.
86 posted on 03/26/2004 3:29:41 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Taipei Personality; Rogle
According to Joe Baugher's Military Aircraft website: The F/A-18F (2-seat version of the -E Super Hornet) is designed to fill the role of the -D model.
87 posted on 03/26/2004 3:51:17 PM PST by steveegg (It takes more than just a bit of double-secret probation to keep a good website down)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"First reports are notoriously correct. More so, at least, than the filtering that follows them."

Not to pick a fight but the first report of the 9/11 WTC tragedy on FOX had a small commuter plane hitting the first tower.

I was merely mentioning what an eyewitness to the actual attempted takeoff of this F-18 reported seeing. A witness who also happened to be very knowledgeable about aircraft as he was a airplane mechanic and was working at a hangar alongside the runway.

Another witness who was also at a private jet terminal recounted similar details and just a short time ago, a young boy of about 8 or 9 was interviewed at the airport and, although he described the crash very much like a child would be expected to, recounted the same details.

The point being that when two F-18s show up at a commercial airport, everyone notices. And when two F-18s taxi out to the runway, every aviation buff in the airport is going to stop and watch the takeoff. As a matter of fact, I'm sure somewhere, somebody is arranging to sell their home video to one of the local affiliates as we speak.

88 posted on 03/26/2004 4:29:45 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: jern
Most likely he lost an engine with a catasrophic uncontained failure on the takeoff roll just before rotation which caused excessive yaw with not enough airspeed for the control surfaces to be effective. No other reason for such an early fire undetected. He would have tested the engine fire lights before taxing and if he had time to abort the takeoff he would have depressed the fire lights which shut down the fuel flow to the engines. The fact that he could not maintain stability on the ground and chose to emergency eject could have meant he was aware of the fire and engine failure or that he lost one of the main gear in the process and had no control for stopping or stearing and chose to eject.

The low altitude ejection sequence would have pulled his legs in from the seat restraints and wouild have fired the canopy first. The catapult would have than fired and propelled the seat up the guide rail. He probaly pulled both engine throttles back to the off position lifting on the finger lifts before pulling the seat ejection control handle. If the canopy failed to blow first a head nocker on the seat would have broken through the canopy on ejction. At low altitude the drogue gun fires to pull the drogue shoot out and decelerate the seat and more quickly deploy the main shoot and pull the pilot from the seat without him having to pull the seat release lever.

As the jet still had the wings and vertical stabilizers in place I doubt the plane cartwheeled and propbably stayed level. It appears that the nose gear remained up while one or both of the main gear have failed or are no longer part of the airframe. Another posibility is the main gear collapsed or retracted early once the jet was close to wait off wheels and the gear handle was in the up position or one of the main gear failed and caused a skid but this would not have caused such an early fire as reported. The one witness saying the front of the aircraft exploded was describing the ejection sequence itself most likely.

Sempre Fi

89 posted on 03/26/2004 4:41:39 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
From your post, Frank Belote, an eyewitness to the crash, said "the front of the (second) plane blew up and the pilot immediately ejected."

Remember those words. We won't see them again.

Because the witness is just describing the explosive bolts blowing the canopy after the pilot pulled the ejection handle. Not everything is a conspiracy.

90 posted on 03/26/2004 4:47:48 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Taxman
So am I. Thought you might be interested as someone said it was a Navy plane.
91 posted on 03/26/2004 8:24:49 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: MediaMole
Not everything is a conspiracy.

I sometimes wonder if Dr. E isn't the new screen name for the banned Michael Rivero. Everything is a conspiracy with those guys.

Food for thought - a cheap and risk free tactic for terrorists would be to assign a member to monitor each and every accident thread on discussion sites such as this and post inflammatory speculation. Doing so would be a lot easier than risking human assets to actually cause mayhem, and would be a cheap way to sow suspicion and distrust in the wake of the kind of accidents that have been happening ever since the human race began using machinery to move faster than a walk.

92 posted on 03/26/2004 8:35:07 PM PST by Denver Ditdat
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To: dixie sass
The F-18 has a rather narrow track -- the distance between the main landing gear is not great, and there have been more than several instances of crosswind gusts upsetting (flipping it over) the F-18. MOF, one of the original F-18 test pilots was killed in just such an accident at NAS Miramar many years ago.

Glad the pilot got out of this one.
93 posted on 03/26/2004 9:18:29 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Denver Ditdat
It's good form to ping the freeper you're maligning, Ditwit.

So I'm either Michael Rivero or I'm a terrorist, huh?

Sorry I scared you.

94 posted on 03/26/2004 11:07:19 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
It's good form to ping the freeper you're maligning, Ditwit.

My apologies.

So I'm either Michael Rivero or I'm a terrorist, huh?

That's a rather limited slate of choices, isn't it? Then again, so is slapping the terrorism label on every mishap.

Sorry I scared you.

What gave you the idea that I was scared? It looks to me as if those who bleat "TERRORISM!" and imagine a nefarious network of coverup squads hard at work behind every crash, explosion, and fire in the US since 9/11 are a better fit for that description.

95 posted on 03/27/2004 1:08:09 AM PST by Denver Ditdat
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To: Denver Ditdat
Apology accepted.

That's a rather limited slate of choices, isn't it?

I agree. But it was your slate; that's why I questioned it.

What gave you the idea that I was scared?

Your eyebrows.

96 posted on 03/27/2004 1:30:10 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Gaurantee the "explosion" the fellow on the ground saw was the explosive bolts on the canopy letting go during the ejection sequence. Here's what one looks like from head on:


97 posted on 03/27/2004 9:12:37 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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To: jern; Hatteras; Dr. Eckleburg; TomGuy; TBall; Calpernia; Sacajaweau; philetus; OXENinFLA; ...
From Navy Newsstand:

Hornet Pilot Unhurt Following Crash

Story Number: NNS040326-16
Release Date: 3/26/2004 10:40:00 PM

From Commander, U.S. Naval Air Force, Atlantic Fleet

NORFOLK, Va. (NNS) -- The pilot of a Navy F/A-18 Hornet aircraft, which crashed the afternoon of March 26 at Raleigh-Durham International Airport in North Carolina, is uninjured. He has been identified as Lt. j.g. Wesley Baumgartner of Yorktown, Va.

Baumgartner was the pilot of the aircraft, assigned to the “Valions” of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 15 based at Oceana Naval Air Station in Virginia. He was part of a two-aircraft flight on a routine cross-country training mission when they made a stop at Raleigh-Durham to refuel. Raleigh-Durham International Airport is a joint-use facility that also serves as a base for local Air National Guard units. The other aircraft landed safely.

Baumgartner was taken to Wake Medical Center for examination.

The accident is under investigation.

For more news from around the fleet, visit the Navy NewsStand at www.news.navy.mil.
U.S. Navy File Photo.

040225-N-9907G-001 Atlantic Ocean (Feb. 25, 2004) – An F/A-18C Hornet assigned to the “Valions” of Strike Fighter Squadron One Five (VFA-15) makes its final approach before landing aboard USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75). The nuclear powered aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman is undergoing carrier qualifications and flight deck certification off the Atlantic coast. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd class Floyd Grimm. (RELEASED)

98 posted on 03/27/2004 9:13:08 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (All the good taglines are taken.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob; Dr. Eckleburg
Hells bells:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_photos_album71-photoabh.html
100 posted on 03/27/2004 9:16:03 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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