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Pistol under pillow shoots sleeping man
Washington Times ^ | apr. 3 | unknown

Posted on 04/05/2004 6:49:21 PM PDT by dogbrain

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A man in Granite Falls, Wash., who slept with a pistol beneath his pillow woke up one morning last week to find the gun had gone off and shot him.

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported Saturday that the man, who was not identified, went to bed Thursday night with a loaded .22-caliber revolved tucked under his pistol. Sometime during the night, the gun discharged and shot him in the chest, but he apparently didn't realize he was wounded until he awoke early Friday.


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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; darwinaward; dream; guns; gunshot; inflicted; oops; pillow; realistic; realnightmare; self; shooting
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
I must say that I can fire my double action revolver just as fast as can shoot my semi-auto pistol. The 1862 Colt was a single action revolver.
101 posted on 04/05/2004 10:01:24 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Proud member of P.O.O.P., People Offended by Offended People.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I knew that because Colt touted single-action revolvers back in the 1800's. But these lies from the liberally-biased media really anger me and it probably mobilizes idiots like Rosie O'Donnel to fight to ban guns. Even the term "assault weapons" really annoys me. Any pistol, even a machine-pistol like the Glock 18, Berretta 93R or TEC-9 doesn't have the capacity or stopping power to be up there with an AK-47.
102 posted on 04/05/2004 10:07:29 PM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, home of savages!!!!)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
"...why did it replace the much more powerful Colt .45 in the US Army?"

That's a question which still needs a legitimate answer.
As far as I can tell, it had something to do with percieved recoil, magazine capacity, DA vs. SA, a "learning curve", and the usual assortment of under-dealings associated with awarding gov't contracts.

I own (and sometimes carry) a Kimber Custom Shop Pro Elite wich is their version of a highly customized Combat Commander. It's a good gun, and fun to shoot.
The differences between it and my HKP7 are many, but both have their own unique advantages.

103 posted on 04/05/2004 10:08:38 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
Do you really like your HKP7? I personally think its ugly and looks funny but can you tell me the good features of it?
104 posted on 04/05/2004 10:11:48 PM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, home of savages!!!!)
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To: dogbrain
Sometime during the night, the gun discharged and shot him in the chest, but he apparently didn't realize he was wounded until he awoke early Friday.

He must have really tied one on the evening before. Hard to pull the trigger in your sleep, with the gun supposedly under the pillow, but I guess he managed...or someone did.

105 posted on 04/05/2004 10:20:54 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
The P7 is my favorite, despite what detractors of the 9mm might say.

It's a quality piece of work, and ingenious in design.
Inherently safe and extremely accurate, I have never had a failure of any sort in the 10 years I have owned mine. It functions flawlessly with ANY 9mm ammo. I estimate that I've put 10k rounds through mine.
Relatively small in size compared to other 9mm's, it has a 4" barrel and a small grip.
It's very simple to operate and completely ambidexterous.

See your FReepmail to see where I trained with it.

106 posted on 04/05/2004 10:25:47 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: El Gato
"...or someone did."

no more "Law & Order" for you....

107 posted on 04/05/2004 10:29:18 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
.38 Special pistol at me.

It hasn't been that long since .38 special was the standard police sidearm. Military too for rear area types. Air Force was still issuing them into the 1980s, IIRC. Modern .38 spl (+P for example) is hotter than they had, and bullet design is also much improved. Even a .22 will kill you if the shot placement is right. It will penetrate your breast bone, most of the time anyway, and you'll not live long with even a litty bitty hole in your heart, or a major artery for that matter. A thread yesterday or the day before had a bad guy bleeding out from a minor caliber wound in the thigh.

108 posted on 04/05/2004 10:34:27 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Eaker; TheMom; humblegunner; Flyer; stevie_d_64; bobbyd; Xenalyte; GOP_Thug_Mom; Allegra
ping
109 posted on 04/05/2004 10:37:45 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
that was the "Miami Bank Robbery."

part of the problem was that the FBI agent were taught to simply hide.

The bank robbers were ex military and used fire and advance tatics.

after that the FBI changed their training.
110 posted on 04/05/2004 10:42:29 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
Holy crap!! If .22 caliber is so weak, then why do the liberally biased media always have stories about people getting killed by a .22 caliber pistol? Why are there even .22LR rifles?

Shot placement is everything with a .22, and even then it may not penetrate the skull on a headshot, but then again, it may. .22 rifles are for the small four legged variety of varmint, but in extremis can be applied to the two legged variety, but it must be done with precision.

111 posted on 04/05/2004 10:47:44 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
Is .38 Super a far more powerful cartridge than .38 special? Also, what is the exact difference of .45 Colt, .45 Super and .45 ACP?
112 posted on 04/05/2004 10:56:55 PM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, home of savages!!!!)
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guns dont kill people. pillows kill people

113 posted on 04/05/2004 10:57:11 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: dogbrain
A spokeswoman for the Snohomish County Sheriff's Department speculated the man's pillow might have softened the bullet's impact.

WHAT??????????

114 posted on 04/05/2004 10:59:31 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: dogbrain
After the incident you refer to, I believe the FBI chose a S&W .40 semi-auto for their standard issue.

They went with a 10mm first, IIRC, but that turned out to be "too much gun" for many of the agents. The .40S&W can be thought of as a 10mm special, bearing about the same relationship to the 10mm as the .38Spl does to the .357. Except that the order of developement was reversed, i.e. the .357 is a juiced up .38, while the .40 S&W is a toned down 10mm.

115 posted on 04/05/2004 11:02:19 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I have a buckwheat pillow that, if applied in a wide arc with extreme prejudice, could cause some whiplash.

You might call it a "00 buck[wheat]"

116 posted on 04/05/2004 11:03:54 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: Minuteman23
(see post #16)
117 posted on 04/05/2004 11:05:36 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
no more "Law & Order" for you....

Please don't throw me in that brier patch brother dog. :)

I've seen it, but not often and very very few episodes all the way through. My lawyer daughter likes it though, as does my mother.

118 posted on 04/05/2004 11:09:13 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
You're right on; I had forgotten about the brief venture into 10mm territory.

And didn't THAT lead to the developement of the .40 S&W?

In any case, the FBI shouldn't be trusted with ANY firearms.

119 posted on 04/05/2004 11:11:07 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
Pistol under pillow shoots sleeping man

Are pistols and SUV's genetically linked?

120 posted on 04/05/2004 11:13:35 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: El Gato
Hey don't feel too bad.
My Mom used to like Jerry Springer until I convinced her it wasn't real.
Of course now, she likes "Dr. Phil".

I tell ya, you can't make your parents listen!

121 posted on 04/05/2004 11:14:59 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
"I doubt that even the Warren Commission could get to the bottom of this."

If the Warren Commission ever got a hold of this, the bullet would travel from one end of the pillow to the other end make a 180 degree travel line before exiting a striking the victim in the leg.
122 posted on 04/05/2004 11:16:13 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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To: EGPWS
Yes, guns and SUV's ARE, in fact, genetically linked.
I believe it was the S. Koreans who discovered this since Daewoo makes automobiles AND guns.

In So. CA, nothing goes together better than driving and shooting.

123 posted on 04/05/2004 11:18:14 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: B4Ranch
sorry, forgot my sarcasm tag.

(besides, I don't know how to make it...)

124 posted on 04/05/2004 11:21:52 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
I believe it was the S. Koreans who discovered this since Daewoo makes automobiles AND guns.

And I believe it was the Americans that discovered that the true victim in this case is the poor innocent pillow! LoL's

125 posted on 04/05/2004 11:29:50 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
That pillow was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

Truly a fascinating story.
What's gonna come out first, the book or the movie?

126 posted on 04/05/2004 11:33:57 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where democrats wash their hands....)
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To: dogbrain
What's gonna come out first, the book or the movie?

Only true "Pillow Talk" will enlighten us as to what will come first!

127 posted on 04/05/2004 11:44:25 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
"This shows the weakness of a .22 caliber round; I'd laugh if a guy pointed a weak-ass .22 or .38 Special pistol at me. If you want to intimidate a burglar or anyone who wants to mess with you, get a .357 Magnum, .45 ACP or anything more powerful than 9x19mm NATO."

Hmmm, I think you might suffer from caliber envy.

JUST KIDDING!!!

128 posted on 04/06/2004 4:59:25 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: dogbrain
None was needed.
.
.
/sarcasm
129 posted on 04/06/2004 5:27:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Free Republic's infamous .22 Long Rifle Revolver.

I remember that thread. The discussion morphed into the equally famous .45 Automatic Revolver.
130 posted on 04/06/2004 5:40:00 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: dogbrain
Didn't Dick Clarke use some of those when he testified?
131 posted on 04/06/2004 5:44:07 AM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed (2 million defensive gun uses a year. Tell that to the Gun Fairy who'd rather leave you toothless.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
"Moral: Don't bring a .22 to a knife fight."

A .22 is not an ideal self-defense round, but it has, at times, done the job. It depends on which round is employed. A .22 WMR can be deadly. A hyper-velocity .22 LR round (such as a CCI Stinger) has been known to get a perpetrator's serious attention, as well. I would not want to use a .22 for self-defense, but if I had to use one, I'd opt for a .22 WMR (preferably), or if I didn't have that, a .22 CCI Stinger. Best self-defense weapon in the world is a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 00-buck.
132 posted on 04/06/2004 6:02:10 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
Yup, I do love the Ruger Mini-14. That is one fun rifle, and the 5.56mm rounds can be deadly (I prefer 5.56mm bullets of no less than 55-grain, and I've found that the 62-grain and 63-grain are real stoppers).
133 posted on 04/06/2004 6:13:28 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
"This shows the pathetic stopping power of .38 special"

Excuse me but do you know that different loads are available for every caliber? Are you aware that cops & feds are legally prohibited from using anything but 'ball ammo' (NO hollow points or 'hot' loads).

Also, I have a .38 Colt Detective Special & back in the mid '70's I used to shoot 158 grain Super Vels in it. And I'll tell you what, you wouldn't laugh long if shot with one. When I took it to an indoor range, it sounded like a frickin cannon - everyone would come to see what the heck I was firing. I got tipped to the 'benefits' of the Super Vel by a Chicago PD undercover Narc. And yes he was 'breaking the law' but his life depended on his ammo.

Also, do you know that the first practical revolver, the Colt Patterson wasn't made until 1837. Do you know that the Colt Single Action Army (aka Peacemaker) wasn't even made until 1873 & Colt's 1st DA the Lightening wasn't made until 1877. Do you know that in the 'old west', the most popular caliber was actually the .44-40, not the 45 Colt. However, a .45 caliber SAA could fire the shorter .44-40, but not vise-versa.

Which BTW, reminds me of poor ole Lester Moore who's buried in Boot Hill in Tombstone, AZ:

Les Moore
HERE LIES
Lester Moore
Four slugs
From A .44
No Les
No More

BTW, until he 'died' in 1876 Wild Bill Hickok still used .36 caliber 1851 Navy Colts - cap & ball revolvers. Oh and for what it's worth, the Winchester was NEVER chambered in .45 Colt, but mostly 44-40.

134 posted on 04/06/2004 6:30:14 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Condor51
Friday, HBO is going to repeat all three of the previous "Deadwood" shows starting with the premier. If you can get past the very, very bad language, it's an unbelievably authentic show.

135 posted on 04/06/2004 7:09:13 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Sorry.... I couldn't resist ;-).
136 posted on 04/06/2004 7:16:44 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
:-) It may have been a groaner, but it's still funny.

:-D

137 posted on 04/06/2004 7:22:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
I just found out that the Webley-Fosbery was chambered in only two calibers. 455 Webley and .38 Colt Auto.

That would mean if you had the smaller caliber, the Webley Fosbery would be a .38 Colt Auto Semi-Automatic Revolver.

Someone call Fenstein's office and warn her of these deadly assault revolvers.
138 posted on 04/06/2004 7:24:42 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
Holy crap!! If .22 caliber is so weak, then why do the liberally biased media always have stories about people getting killed by a .22 caliber pistol? Why are there even .22LR rifles?

A .22 long rifle (not .22 short) to the head up close can cause wicked brain damage. With enough energy to penetrate in but not out, it tends to bounce around on the inside of the skull. The Mafia has sometimes shown a fondness for this sort of "hit" because a .22 is easily silenced.

A .22 to the body is not likely to be very effective, although Spider Sabich died in about 25 minutes after a single shot through the aorta from Claudine Longet.

139 posted on 04/06/2004 7:53:23 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Myrddin
Because some of us enjoy putting 10 rounds through the same hole at 100 yards.

When I fire ten times and leave one hole, that's the story I use too. ;)

140 posted on 04/06/2004 7:57:01 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: ought-six
I would haul out my old Webley Army revolver in .455 before I would rely on a .22. It has occasionally done the job, but that's not the way to bet.

Besides, with the ugly old Webley if I run out of ammo I can use the piece as a highly effective blunt instrument.

Only a mother could love this ugly thang.

141 posted on 04/06/2004 7:57:07 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Great minds apparently travel the same channels. See post above. Even the Ugly Webley is a semi-auto revolver: one pull of the trigger = one round fired. Right? :-D

Maybe trying to figure that out'll make Feinschwein's head go round so fast that she'll go into low earth orbit.

142 posted on 04/06/2004 7:58:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Condor51
One of our local judges, originally a Superior Court judge in Early County and later a Supreme Court justice, was known as "Judge Two-Gun Charlie Worrill" because he presided with two loaded .44 revolvers, one of which he used for a gavel.

He was also a former Texas Ranger and Industrial League baseball umpire (the latter profession having an even shorter life expectancy than being a Ranger.) Needless to say, there was beautiful, serene, uninterrupted order in his court.

143 posted on 04/06/2004 8:01:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Chinese_American_Patriot
I know the Berretta M9 has a larger capacity why why did it replace the much more powerful Colt .45 in the US Army?

The main excuse at the time was so we could share ammo with our metric NATO allies. Probably a mistake, except not that many people wind up getting shot with pistol ammo anyway. The Italians limped through WWII with a .380 Beretta as the "standard" sidearm.

144 posted on 04/06/2004 8:02:39 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AnAmericanMother
The Webley-Fosbery really was a Semi-Automatic revolver. It was a pull of the trigger causing the shot to be fired with the recoil turning the cylinder at the same time resetting the hammer.


145 posted on 04/06/2004 8:09:35 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The Webley-Fosbery really was a Semi-Automatic revolver. It was a pull of the trigger causing the shot to be fired with the recoil turning the cylinder at the same time resetting the hammer.

In The Maltese Falcon, Sam Spade's partner, Miles Archer, gets blown down a hillside with a Webley Fosbery aimed by Bridgette O'Shaunessy. Spade, shown the big hog leg of a revolver found at the scene, says, "Webly Fosbury forty-five auto. They don't make 'em anymore."

I was wondering if that was a mistake or perhaps the Webley was chambered for the .45 ACP round. You've just answered my question. Neither. It wasn't .45 ACP, but it was a semi-auto and a revolver.

146 posted on 04/06/2004 8:17:13 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: dogbrain
zzzzzzzzzzzz... bang...zzzzzzzzz
147 posted on 04/06/2004 8:20:10 AM PDT by 4x4x4 (zzzzzzzzzzzz........)
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To: VadeRetro
Right, but we can excuse Spade for saying .45 when he could have said .455.

After all, he didn't say ACP or .451 which is the true diameter of my 45 Autos.
148 posted on 04/06/2004 8:28:00 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: VadeRetro
Actually, quite a number of the old Webley .455s that GIs brought back from WWII were bored out to take .45 ACP rounds, held in place with half moon clips.

You actually have to be a little careful when shopping for a .455 Webley (assuming you would want such an ugly thing and want to go to the trouble of finding the ammo) that it hasn't been bored out.

Much of the .455 ammo still circulating is Berdan primed and can't be reloaded, but there's an outfit in the upper midwest that sells new brass turned down from .45 Long Colt. In addition to trimming the case, they grind down the rim until it's thin enough to fit. The cases have slightly thicker walls than the originals, which will mess up your loading data (start with mild loads!) but once you get that straightened out they are great.

149 posted on 04/06/2004 8:37:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm just realizing how that bizarre thing works. The whole top half blows back with the recoil, and some kind of projecting tooth engages that zigzag track to spin the cylinder. Never seen anything like it!
150 posted on 04/06/2004 8:37:44 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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