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I saw "The Alamo" tonight...and I liked it!

Posted on 04/11/2004 12:55:29 AM PDT by MplsSteve

I saw "The Alamo" tonight.

I went in with an open mind, having read the comments posted on here as well as on the 'Net in general.

Though I'm no authority on the subject, I found the movie to be relatively true to actual historical events.

Yes, with any Hollywood production, you're gonna see some artistic license taken...and there were a few that were taken here that shouldn't have been taken.

There has been on on-going debate for the few decades over whether Davy Crockett was killed in the fighting or whether he was captured alive and then executed. Because the producers chose that he was captured and then executed doesn't make it any less of a movie....or any less believable.

But all in all, the acting was good and the battle scenes and special effects were great. If you've seen the movie already, then you know about the birds-eye view of the Mexican cannonball flying into the interior of the Alamo.

Go to this movie with an open but wary mind about what you're gonna see...and you won't be disappointed.


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1 posted on 04/11/2004 12:55:29 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve
Did you see the recent PBS Alamo program?
If so, how did they compare?
2 posted on 04/11/2004 1:02:39 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: MplsSteve
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm still fairly interested in seeing this film.

If I can (gladly) sit through "The Passion" understanding it's simply a movie, surely I can do the same for "The Alamo".
3 posted on 04/11/2004 1:04:56 AM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: PRND21
i want to see it, but i doubt i will at the theatres... we hardly make it to the cimena... however, in a way, i wouldn't mind it doing well because i like Dennis Quaid--and he is in it...
4 posted on 04/11/2004 1:08:08 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: MplsSteve
But from which Alamo film viewing do your speaketh?
John Wayne's or the silly one with Billy Bob Johnny Hollywood Uuhmpha Thornton playing a part that only needed a "Texan" accent?

Not to be rude, but J. Wayne did a fun job, if not maybe a bit long and over exaggerated on the heroism parts.

AS a Texas born and bred, the outrageous history is that does not relay the fact that many of the Alamo defenders were not killed in the battle on March 6, 1836, but rounded up after attempting a Gentleman's Surrender" and summarily hacked to death as if they were rabid animals.

Generalissimo Santa Anna never regained stature but lost it post haste.
5 posted on 04/11/2004 1:10:23 AM PDT by SwyChron 101 (The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get)
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To: MplsSteve
I saw it too. I understand artistic license will always be utilized whenever there are historical gaps in facts. But I thought it was done well.

http://www.thealamo.org/
"Why is the Battle of the Alamo a significant historical event?
The Alamo became a rallying cry that helped the Texans defeat the Mexican Army at San Jacinto. Texas' independence laid the ground work for Texas' admission to the Union. Texas' admission to the Union led to a war between the United States and Mexico. At the end of the war, Mexico was required by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo to give the United States the area that now comprises California, Arizona, New Mexico as well as the parts of other western states. Debate over whether or not the territory gained from Mexico should be open to slavery helped divide the Union and led to the Civil War. The fact that the Union was prevented from splitting apart coupled the resources gained through the Louisiana Purchase (1803), the annexation of Texas (1845), the settlement of the Oregon question (1846), and the Mexican Cession (1848) set the United States on the path of becoming a world power."

Amazing all the small acts of courage that can have such ripple effects through time. Makes you think "what if" a lot. Would America be what it is today if history had played out different then? If America had not become a super power who could have stopped monsters like Hitler?
You never know what will be important.

6 posted on 04/11/2004 1:16:43 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: MplsSteve
We saw The Passion for the second time on Friday afternoon. My 16 year old son said he was once again struck by the "impact" of the film.

I watched him, at times, during the film, and my 6 foot, "macho" teenager, had his hands cupped over his mouth as if in awe (even though he had seen the movie before.)

When Mary cradled Jesus' body in her arms, toward the end of the movie, he leaned over to me and said, "The Pieta."
We had studied Michaelangelo's works (I homeschooled) but I was still surprised that he would be watching closely enough to identify that scene with the sculpture (he came home and looked up a picture of the sculpture and told me that it wasn't identical, and I explained how Gibson had used some other artworks to craft some of his scenes.)

Yesterday, he saw The Alamo with some friends. He thought it was "okay."

Usually, any movie with battle scenes would have delighted him. I think he's been spoiled by Gibson's movie.

7 posted on 04/11/2004 2:07:38 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: MplsSteve
GET HIM!

Just kidding. Glad you enjoyed it. I saw Matrix II at our premiere theatre where we paid $16 per ticket. I hated it, and it was all the worse for what I paid. We don't go to the movies too often, so when I go and it's a "stinker", let's just leave it as "I become extemely displeased".

8 posted on 04/11/2004 2:52:22 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
"Remember the Snackbar!"
9 posted on 04/11/2004 3:39:41 AM PDT by battlegearboat (multitasking at the multiplex)
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To: battlegearboat
That was the only thing worth remembering with Matrix 2 & 3...
10 posted on 04/11/2004 4:01:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SwyChron 101
AS a Texas born and bred, the outrageous history is that does not relay the fact that many of the Alamo defenders were not killed in the battle on March 6, 1836, but rounded up after attempting a Gentleman's Surrender" and summarily hacked to death as if they were rabid animals.

This is the part of history that Mexico lovers would like us to forget. From what I have read, Santa Ana flew the "No Quarter" flag from his camp from the outset of the siege. Now, we are supposed to laud this butcher because of political correctness.

11 posted on 04/11/2004 4:15:11 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: MplsSteve
I'm worried about the hate message this film exudes. There could be Hispanic backlash. Lawsuits for reparations. Attacks on body shops and taco stands.
12 posted on 04/11/2004 4:17:49 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Caipirabob
Matrix 2 an 3 were very well done, cinematography and SFX wise, but what a waste of a setup (Matrix I). As for the Alamo, I dunno, the next movie I am going to see is the Passion, then who knows what, I can't get out with the wife too see too many movies, so Ill probably catch a comic book flick like Hellboy,punisher,helsing, then maybe Shrek2 with the kids.
13 posted on 04/11/2004 4:39:15 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: dawn53
That's because in addition to its religious aspect, The Passion is a genuine work of art, drawing on the Western artistic heritage. Someone on an earlier thread described it is the cinematic equivalent of the Sistine Chapel, which I thought summed it up nicely.

And there's nothing else that is even remotely comparable to that! Works of art are unique and move on a wholly different level from simply a good use of the media (such as the Alamo may be).
14 posted on 04/11/2004 4:47:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: MplsSteve
I saw the movie last night and liked it. This Country was not started by saints. It was start by real people. People with failings and faults who when the moment was on them took a stand with courage and determination.

You have to see the movie to understand my wondering if faced with a situation beyond being hopeless would I have the courage to say "I thought he'd be taller"
15 posted on 04/11/2004 4:51:05 AM PDT by Ironsman
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To: MplsSteve
You are one of the few. It flopped big time this weekend and Disney is going to take a huge loss on the picture and more layoffs will be their reward. The movie cost more than $100 million to make and another $25 million to market. That's what the Disney perverts get for making an inane liberal revisionist movie where Davy Crockett's last words were "I'm a screamer." What were these people thinking? "I'm a screamer?" Give me a break.
16 posted on 04/11/2004 5:00:59 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
I'm not going to see the movie, so fill me in. What was "I'm a screamer" supposed to mean?
17 posted on 04/11/2004 5:09:21 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
If you are not willing to see the movie then why care? If you are willing to find out then find out.
18 posted on 04/11/2004 5:27:08 AM PDT by Ironsman
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To: Ironsman
Gosh - you are so nice.
19 posted on 04/11/2004 5:39:49 AM PDT by mommya
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To: MplsSteve
Geez, the Davy Crockett thing was just to sell ficticious books. It's documented in Mexican reports that he was killed so end of story.

In the movie, did they say who captured Santa Anna? I heard they ended it with the Battle of San Jacinto so hoped they'd at least give the names of the scouts, one being granpappy Sion Bostick.
20 posted on 04/11/2004 5:39:50 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mommya
I try.
21 posted on 04/11/2004 5:42:54 AM PDT by Ironsman
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To: savedbygrace
A "screamer" was one of the pioneer's slang terms for felis concolor , the mountain lion or cougar. Some other terms were 'catamount' (cat of the mountain) , 'painter' (panther)...I think there were at least 25 slang terms for that animal, that's all I can remember.
22 posted on 04/11/2004 5:46:46 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: savedbygrace
Here's a link to a short page which will give the answaer about "I'm a screamer."
p.s. I won't be seeing this movie either.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/alamo/stories/MYSA21.01A.Alamo_Ending_0321.7d24aa3.html
23 posted on 04/11/2004 5:47:07 AM PDT by mommya
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To: jimbo123
making an inane liberal revisionist movie where Davy Crockett's last words were "I'm a screamer.

That pissed me off too. Turning a historical fight to the death into a Saturday Night Live skit was unforgiveable. Hollywood cannot acknowledge tough, brave men founded this country. Remember the "real" Alamo but forget this pile of excrement. There was more courage in the real Davy Crockett's little toe than there has ever been in the entire fake empire called Hollywood.

24 posted on 04/11/2004 5:56:25 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: SwyChron 101
I caught part of the Duke's Alamo movie on Turner Classic Movies last night. Wayne did play Davy Crockett a little over the top, but the character I liked best was Richard Widmark's portrayal of Jim Bowie. Gotta love that knife!
25 posted on 04/11/2004 6:06:22 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I saw this movie yesterday and was fully expecting a revisionist tear down of these heros. That is not what I saw. I saw a really good movie that I will see again today with my bro. Davey Crockett was awesome and I don't know why someone would think Billy Bob didn't do him justice. There was nothing done to make you think he was a phoney and he fought hard and died heroicly. It was a far better rendition than the Dukes and the movie was more realistic than his Alamo.

Travis was portrayed in a really good way in this movie, which most movies don't do for Travis.

Bowie was good also and no cheap shots were done, he died like the history books say ans it was inspiring.

Santa Anna was portrayed as a no good pervert dictator who was arrogant even against his Generals wishes. It makes it clear he was a murderous villian and it doesn't even attempt to put a nice side on him.

Houston was great and the San Jacinto battle was great.

If I had any problem with the movie it was that it was edited as if they cut out some of the "secondary characters" scenes to focus on the main four. Dickenson is only a very small part, it was if his part was bigger before they cut out scenes.

Over all I would say this is NOT some liberal drivel and worth the money to see on the big screen. When you see the Mexican army coming over those walls its quite a site.

26 posted on 04/11/2004 6:20:35 AM PDT by normy (If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. Proverbs 24:10)
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To: mommya
Thank you. That helps.
27 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Ironsman
If the evidence is strong that the movie's interpretation is correct, then I might be willing. But everything that I'd read up to the time I posted indicated that the movie is out there in unsupported-land.

After reading the link above here, I'm still of the same opinion.

And the reason you think I'll only find out whether the movie is accurate in this regard by seeing the movie is . . . ?

28 posted on 04/11/2004 6:40:30 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: MplsSteve
Beautiful, moving, exciting--and not, as had previously been reported on this forum, P.C. Lopez de Santa Anna is made to seem disgusting, not heroic. The brief mentions of the human failings of the Americans do not in any way reduce their heroic status; nor are Crockett's musings slanted to make him appear any less than valorous. The whole thing is terrifically persuasive and involving.
29 posted on 04/11/2004 6:50:02 AM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: mommya
When Crockett says "I'm a screamer" he doest screm like a sissy. He yells like a lion at them as they come to kill him. It is a roar of sorts and throughout the movie it shows how he is legend even among the Mexican army. The Mexican soldiers are kinda afraid of him. He also just finished telling Santa Anna to surrender to Houston in front of the whole Army with his hands bound. The interpreter wont do it and he yells"Tell him now!" and then Santa Anna motions for the soldiers to kill him. He looks at them and says" Ok boys but I gotta warn ya, I'm a screamer." The soldiers charge him and he lets out a yell right at them as they charge himm and stab him to death. It was a great scene and you will miss a good movie if you judge it too early. It is the best Alamo movie I have ever seen.
30 posted on 04/11/2004 6:55:48 AM PDT by normy (If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. Proverbs 24:10)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
That pissed me off too. Turning a historical fight to the death into a Saturday Night Live skit was unforgiveable. Hollywood cannot acknowledge tough, brave men founded this country. Remember the "real" Alamo but forget this pile of excrement. There was more courage in the real Davy Crockett's little toe than there has ever been in the entire fake empire called Hollywood.

You obviously have no clue what the line "I'm a screamer", actually means. But don't feel alone, this will go zooming over the heads of 99% of the audience. Crockett is actually warning the Mexican' that they are killing someone who is very important.

Per Mysanantonio.com : "Stephen Hardin, a professor of Texas and American history at Victoria College and a consultant for the film, explained the context of being a "screamer" in the 19th century.
"I don't think people are necessarily going to get this, but in the 19th century, being a screamer meant, 'I'm an important person, I'm a stud, I'm a person to be reckoned with,'" he explained. "It doesn't mean he's screaming like a girl."

31 posted on 04/11/2004 6:56:05 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: savedbygrace
I liked the movie alot. For these reasons:

The costumes and accoutrements were very authentic. The Hollywood crew obviously spent a lot of time consulting with the dedicated re-enacters. There were even some beautiful quilled decorations on some of the cosutmes.

The movie was a flintlock and blackpowder festival. As a fur trade rendezvous re-enacter and flintlock shooter I appreciated the use of real flintlocks which actually sparked and pan fired before shooting. No signs of the "miraculous" Hollywood flintlock which ignites without "flashing the pan" and has repeating capability as well.

I couldn't begin to judge the historical accuracy of the events or characters but if, like me, you enjoy a technically correct burning of tons of black powder and a much better than average attempt at historical accuracy in costuming (although most are too clean by half), you'll find the movie worth seeing.
32 posted on 04/11/2004 6:58:39 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (I could never vote for a guy with a chin like that.)
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To: commish
Well, I happen to believe Hollywood had no such historical meaning as a motivation for the line. It was a laugh line. Any such connection was a completely unintended coincidence.

I certainly "have a clue" as to how Hollywood revises the courageous portrayal of American historical characters.

33 posted on 04/11/2004 7:03:27 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Well, I happen to believe Hollywood had no such historical meaning as a motivation for the line. It was a laugh line. Any such connection was a completely unintended coincidence.

Not to butt in but what other part in this movie did you see where Davey Crockett was portrayed poorly? This is the best Davy Crockett I have seen. He wasn't balancing feathers on his nose to see who threw the first punch in a game of knockout your buddy. He was smart, funny, strong and brave. He wasn't a cartoon character, he was a brave man who had a sense of his reputation and knew what people expected of him. He wasn't flamboyant or loud or boastfull.

I would like to know if you took offense to other parts of the movies portrayal of him?

34 posted on 04/11/2004 7:12:10 AM PDT by normy (If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. Proverbs 24:10)
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To: MplsSteve
I liked it.

It's just a movie. I detected no agenda other than to tell a story in such a way as to make you actually have empathy for the characters.

I especially liked the subtle way that William Travis' character was developed over the course of the movie. You have lots of things to dislike about him at the beginning, but he proves himself to be a steadfast, honorable man by his actions.

Since this is just a movie, I am sure it is full of historical innaccuracies, but if you are only interested in historical accuracy then you should not bother with movies, which are mere dramatizations meant primarily to entertain.

One other thing: this movie may well get the Chicano population stirred up.
35 posted on 04/11/2004 7:12:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: MplsSteve
As I said on another post, William C. Davis, who is one of our very best U.S. historians, does not know for sure whether Crockett was killed inside or captured then executed, but there is NO doubt that he went down fighting either way, as observers (Mexican witnesses) recorded a pile of bodies around him at one point as he was fighting hand to hand. See "Three Roads to the Alamo."
36 posted on 04/11/2004 7:13:15 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I was also impressed by Travis in this movie. Most movies just make him to be a footnote, or a punk. The fact they put alot into Travis in this movie was a good thing.
37 posted on 04/11/2004 7:15:26 AM PDT by normy (If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. Proverbs 24:10)
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To: SwyChron 101
Great story about John Wayne while filming the Alamo. (Two actually):

1) Lawrence Harvey, a South African, was just loved by the Texans because they thought he stood "strong" on segregation. In fact, Harvey was a homosexual who would have repulsed most Texans had they known him.

2) Wayne, who directed the film, at one point was having great difficulty with a scene, and let loose with a tirade of curses. An assistant tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Duke, we have some visitors on the set." It was a group of nuns from a local nunnery. Red-faced, Wayne quietly promised to never swear on the set again, and he didn't.

38 posted on 04/11/2004 7:16:09 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: savedbygrace
I can only say that I found the story put forward in the movie is a strong statement to the courage of those men who fought and died at the Alamo. They where not cartoon characters, they where real men fighting in the real world. They fought bravery even facing impossible odds. There where parts of the movie that struck me. The reading of parts of the last letters of the men in the Alamo. They knew what was coming and in saying goodbye to those they loved stated their case for fighting. There was Travis's speech to the men. There was Crockett's last minutes.

Being a conservative I can understand how defensive we can be because of the attacks on the pass from the left. The left likes to bring down the people who founded this country because they did not conduct themselves to the standards of political correctness of the 21st Century. But I look on not their failings. All men have faults. But when faced with that moment of truth what did they do. The men at the Alamo fought and died for freedom. If you have a question then find out for yourself. If there is disagreement with us here at F.R. then take a look at the movie. I am not the only one here that found the movie to be a good story on the Alamo.
39 posted on 04/11/2004 9:06:45 AM PDT by Ironsman
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To: Paradox
I really liked "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind." I first saw it recommended on NRO. It is written by the same guy who wrote "Being John Malkovich" which I also liked. But "Eternal Sunshine..." is even better because it is so real and down-to-Earth about human relationships.
40 posted on 04/11/2004 3:35:42 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MplsSteve
Because of much of the pre-release publicity, I made a pact with myself to avoid the movie until I saw some of the comments on FR. This thread has convinced me to go see it.

I've been listening for years the argument about the demise of Crocket. As long as the argument doesn't involve an unsupported slanderous smear of cowardice, I could never see the point. Whether he died in the battle at the end of the siege or after capture and execution is irrelevant. Any man that put himself in the Alamo in those days could never be regarded as a coward. It was so hopeless, sort of the supreme sacrifice.

41 posted on 04/11/2004 5:58:31 PM PDT by stevem
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To: MplsSteve
Who knows what makes a movie successful? I saw Disney's first effort for the first time when I was about 5 years old. That wasn't really the story of the Alamo, but was the story of Davey Crockett (Fess Parker). Disney made out quite well in that effort.

I liked John Wayne's Alamo, although thought it could have been a bit shorter. I also truly liked Widmark's portrayal of Bowie, although you would be pretty hard pressed to find much that Widmark ever did that was anything but professional. John Wayne went broke making that movie, so maybe it's tough story to sell for a profit. For Wayne it was a labor of love if I understand anything I have ever read about it. Anyway, after that movie, Wayne had to do about 3 movies per year for a number of years in order to keep out of bankruptcy court.

After reading through this thread, I'm now looking forward to taking a run at it.

42 posted on 04/11/2004 6:06:43 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Here is something to ponder, what if the Texas Revolution was lost? Did Santa Anna had territoral aspects i.e. trying to conquer more land? Mainly go against the US?
43 posted on 04/11/2004 6:20:59 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: All
Bump!
44 posted on 04/11/2004 8:18:19 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve; PRND21; k2blader; latina4dubya; SwyChron 101; Names Ash Housewares; dawn53; ...
Bump : )

Thank you for posting this, Steve. It hurts to see so many freepers draw conclusions from hype and preconceptions rather than from fellow freepers who have seen it.

Out of the few dozen who have actually seen the film, only one freeper I've noticed on all the threads came away unhappy. The rest of us were pleased with it. It reminds me of what happened with prejudgements of The Passion...

I saw it (The Alamo) here in a ultra-conservative suburb of Dallas, at one of the largest theaters... to my left and right were two older men, who claimed they seldom went to movies but were Alamo buffs, and sitting below me was an elderly man who was grumbling before it started. lol

At the movie's end, this Texas audience applauded long and loud. As we left, we all discussed how much we enjoyed it -even the grumbling man was smiling and said he was pleasantly surprised.

None of us were really thrilled with Billy Bob playing Crocket. And there were a few lines by him that were over the top. But it wasn't anything like the false rumors flying around here said (and still say) it was. I watched the John Wayne version the night before, and even it showed Crocket's ambivalence about the fight. And this movie made both Houston and Travis look even more honorable.

Anyway, I wish more here would go see it. It is hard to see so many misperceptions get recycled here.

Even SamWolf and his lovely wife here at the freeper canteen enjoyed it and encouraged us to give it a chance. : )
45 posted on 04/11/2004 11:27:54 PM PDT by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: SwyChron 101
Last night in Austin ... wrapping yet another Billy Bob movie, "Friday Night Lights."


46 posted on 04/11/2004 11:31:20 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Trinity_Tx
I'm looking forward to seeing The Alamo. While working on "Friday Night Lights" I met a lot of local extras, actors and stuntmen who worked on The Alamo and they were proud of their hard work and anxious for the movie to finally be released.
47 posted on 04/11/2004 11:41:26 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Trinity_Tx
Well said Trinity_Tx. Just one correction...at the freeper canteen..

that's the FReeper Foxhole, we do history!

48 posted on 04/11/2004 11:48:07 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: ValerieUSA
Great : ) They should be proud, IMHO.

I heard that the actor who played Travis opened the movie's preview showing in San Antonio with the song "God Bless America".


49 posted on 04/11/2004 11:48:50 PM PDT by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: snippy_about_it
Oh of course! Yeeeeesh... My apologies. I should go to bed rather than stay up posting while zoned-out, lol.

(And you two have made the foxhole a wonderful Den in the FR Home. I keep tellin myself that someday I'll quit lurkin and chirp up, maybe. lol)
50 posted on 04/11/2004 11:54:31 PM PDT by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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