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Bob Kerrey admits Vietnam Massacre
BBC News ^ | 4/26/2001 | BBC News

Posted on 04/11/2004 4:06:18 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup

Former United States Senator Bob Kerry, a possible contender for the White House in 2004, has admitted that his commando unit massacred civilians when he was a Navy officer in Vietnam, The New York Times has reported. Mr Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star for the 25 February 1969 action in the village of Thanh Phong in the Mekong Delta.

Basically you're talking about a man who killed innocent civilians

Bob Kerry The two-time Democratic senator from Nebraska says his unit of seven Navy Seals - elite commando troops - killed at least 13 women and children during indiscriminate night-time firing.

One of the men under his command at the time disputes Mr Kerry's version of events, claiming that the unit rounded up the civilians and killed them to hasten their escape.

Mr Kerry refused to contradict the man, saying their memories differed.

In-depth investigation

Mr Kerry,who stepped down from the US Senate in January and is now president of the New School University in New York, admitted his role in the massacre over the course of more than two years of interviews with The New York Times.

Mr Kerry said he has been haunted by Vietnam memories

A possible presidential candidate, Mr Kerry said it would be "very interesting to see the reactions to the story. I mean, because basically you're talking about a man who killed innocent civilians."

It is not clear what effect the revelations would have on any decision that Mr Kerry might make to run for office in the future.

In Mr Kerry's version of events, his group approached Thanh Phong near midnight on 25 February, 1969.

They encountered a hut on their approach, and men under his command entered it and killed the people inside.

Mr Kerry denied participating in the killings, but took responsibility for them as commanding officer.

Indiscriminate firing

When his group reached the village, they were fired upon in the darkness and shot back, firing some 1,200 rounds.



When they investigated after they stopped shooting, he said, they found they had killed a number of women and children. There were no adult men among the dead.

Gerhard Klann, a more experienced soldier who was under Mr Kerry's command at the time, remembers events differently.

He said Mr Kerry helped him kill an old man and woman and three children at the first hut, and that the unit then rounded up and shot the women and children of Thanh Phong to prevent them raising the alarm.

The Army Field Manual explicitly forbids killing prisoners "on grounds of self-preservation", but many people who served in Vietnam said the unwritten rules of the conflict made it clear that such actions were acceptable.



A Vietnamese woman who says she was an eyewitness supported Mr Klann's story.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; bobkerrey; massacre; vietnam; vietnamwar
And this guy is on the 9/11 commmission?
1 posted on 04/11/2004 4:06:19 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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To: stocksthatgoup
He said Mr Kerry helped him kill an old man and woman and three children at the first hut, and that the unit then rounded up and shot the women and children of Thanh Phong to prevent them raising the alarm.
What a perfect running mate for Kerry. His wretched biography supports Kerry's claims circa '71 that our soldiers routinely committed war crimes.
2 posted on 04/11/2004 4:13:41 AM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Asclepius
So let me get this right... Kerry and Kerrey opposed the Viet Nam war because they themselves committed atrocities?
3 posted on 04/11/2004 4:16:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: stocksthatgoup
Former United States Senator Bob Kerry, a possible contender for the White House in 2004

Is the BBC confusing Bob Kerrey with John Kerry, or are they confusing 2004 with 1992?

Or are they implying that Bob Kerrey is trying to use the 9/11 commission as a launching pad for the VP slot on Kerry's ticket?

These admissions from Kerrey are old, and they are the same atrocities that John Kerry told Tim Russert on Meet the Press in 2001 that "yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities".
4 posted on 04/11/2004 4:22:27 AM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: stocksthatgoup
I had to go and check this for myself, and yes, the text of the article is exactly as you pasted it... the BBC misspelled "Kerrey" as "Kerry" throughout the entire article.

Just the sort of accuracy and fact checking we are used to from the BBC!
5 posted on 04/11/2004 4:25:11 AM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: stocksthatgoup
The Kerry,Kerrey ticket sounds like a winner all right, both committed atrocities in Viet Nam and now they both stand up for murdering the unborn .
6 posted on 04/11/2004 4:32:41 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Asclepius
What a perfect running mate for Kerry. His wretched biography supports Kerry's claims circa '71 that our soldiers routinely committed war crimes.
Kerry had better name Kerrey for VP. I believe he has the Medal of Honor? It's gonna take more than a Silver Star to try to outshine the commander-in-chief.
7 posted on 04/11/2004 4:38:28 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is as subjective as the person who knows he is objective.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
BBC - that paragon of truth and accuracy - seems still under the spell of Baghdad Bob.
8 posted on 04/11/2004 4:41:35 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: stocksthatgoup
I'm confused.........Kerrey? Kerry?
Where are we?
9 posted on 04/11/2004 4:48:52 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: stocksthatgoup
Our generation has still not gained sight that all wars were/are ATROCITIES.

The Vietnam War exhibited powerful images that were captured by the news media and sent into homes throughout the world. However, the images we saw do not differ from occurances in other wars. Ignorance of history is responsible for these types of stories gaining prominence.

10 posted on 04/11/2004 5:15:43 AM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
And, of course, we are yet to see the public release of KetchUp-Kerry's full military record ... in country so little time and so many ribbons ...

Gosh, does the establishment media "smell" a story here ... not!!!

11 posted on 04/11/2004 5:23:12 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: stocksthatgoup
He's either lying about Americans committing war crimes, or he committed war crimes.

Either way, he's clearly unqualified to sit in judgement of Americans on anything... let alone on the solemn matter of running a finger-pointing blame-game circus like the 9/11 commission.

12 posted on 04/11/2004 5:26:32 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: stocksthatgoup
Krauthammer said on Inside Washington today that Kerry was one of the only politicians in Washington calling for hunting down al Qaeda and destryong them in 1998. So he's got his good sides and his bad sides. I disagree with many of his tactics, but the 9/11 commission is a necessary step in dealing with the aftermath of a major attack on our mainland -- the first in 194 years -- in our democratic republic. We are an open society, and it's only right that we go after the details surrounding this horrific event. The commission has been overly politicized, but that was inevitable.

Just imagine the reactions of Americans if the 9/11 commission hadn't been allowed, or hadn't been prosecuted by someone who took an aggressive approach? It would be far worse for GW then.
13 posted on 04/11/2004 5:33:39 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
Kerry said al Qaeda had declared war on us, so we should declare war on them. Right on! Too bad nobody was listening. Too bad Kerry wasn't strong enough to make himself heard.
14 posted on 04/11/2004 5:35:29 AM PDT by risk
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To: counterpunch
Very confusing indeed unless you consider that the story was published on April 26, 2001 when Bob Kerrey was indeed considered a possible presidential candidate. It threw me for a loop too, until I viewed the original story. As far as the spelling well...?
15 posted on 04/11/2004 5:50:13 AM PDT by wheelright
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To: risk
Bob Kerrey is an egotistical ass and more than a little racist. Any points he had were taken off the board this week.
16 posted on 04/11/2004 6:02:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: stocksthatgoup
Trying to heap disgrace upon Bob Kerrey?

You have no shame!

17 posted on 04/11/2004 6:04:59 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: stocksthatgoup
"...his commando unit..." ???

revisionism from the communists who back kerry and the dnc!
18 posted on 04/11/2004 6:34:56 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: stocksthatgoup
This has been on the internet for years, but of course the media hasn't picked up on it. Let's see if those on this side of the pond will bring it up.
20 posted on 04/11/2004 7:16:01 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: stocksthatgoup
Silly journalist didn't bother proofreading but then again he may be smarter than I first thought. Heehee!
21 posted on 04/11/2004 7:17:46 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: stocksthatgoup
BBC. YAWN!!
22 posted on 04/11/2004 7:19:22 AM PDT by verity (A Vote for Kerry is a vote for National Suicide!)
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To: risk
"Kerry said al Qaeda had declared war on us, so we should declare war on them."

So he knew - shouldn't the commission be investigating why he didn't prevent 9/11?

Just once I would like to see a Republican turn an attack from the Democrats with "Where were you? You knew what we did and you did nothing."
23 posted on 04/11/2004 7:42:25 AM PDT by Plain Old American (Remember who said what; Remind those who don't Remember; Vote and take a friend to the polls)
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To: Plain Old American
Good points. The Republican leadership has been most gracious.
24 posted on 04/11/2004 7:44:59 AM PDT by risk
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To: Plain Old American
Kerrey needs to take a timeout and take of his own demons! The log in his eye is so huge - and he picks at the toothpick in others eyes! A hypocrite!
25 posted on 04/11/2004 7:45:51 AM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam)
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To: jamaksin
so little time..so many medals....BINGO!...less then 4 months in VN... when you subtract non combat orientation time and non combat clearing time it appears he was the dumbest and most unlucky SOB ever in country!!...Im guessing he spent less then 60 days in which he was exposed to actual combat conditions...In a nut-shell... jean "Forbes" kerry was resume building!.....think about it........umpteen purple hearts and he bleed less then a bitch dog in heat!!!....He should be ashamed of denigrating the honor of a purple heart...not proud of it!!!
26 posted on 04/11/2004 7:51:26 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: stocksthatgoup
Former Senator Bob Kerrey. That is K-e-r-r-e-y.

If both Senators did indeed kill civilians in Viet Nam it only proves that neither of them is/was fit to serve in the Senate.

27 posted on 04/11/2004 7:57:48 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Specter50
Whoops - wrong kerry - kerrey ?

They are both murderers by their own admission ... war criminals who must be tried, convicted, and do what must be done to murderers. no? Why not execute baby killers?

Oh, I forgot, baby murder is a "choice"
28 posted on 04/11/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: iconoclast
Kerrey has said of himself that he committed atrocities....both Kerry and Kerrey have admitted such. They have reaped shame on themselves.
29 posted on 04/11/2004 8:38:12 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: nuconvert
Precisely the desired effect, I am sure. Now all ills can be attributed to the other Kerr(e)y.
30 posted on 04/11/2004 9:12:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Never get between the lemmings and the water.)
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To: stocksthatgoup; Smokin' Joe
This story from 3 yrs ago? April 26, 2001?
31 posted on 04/11/2004 9:21:14 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: Ann Archy
Kerrey has said of himself that he committed atrocities....

I'm well aware of that sweet Anny, but until you and the other armchair Generals here have given BOTH of your legs in the service of your country, kindly shut up.

I'll cut some of them some slack, those that are too young or too stupid to know we're talking about the Senator from Nebraska, but for the rest of you ... kindly direct your invective at the politicians and not at the brave servicemen of that filthy war.

32 posted on 04/11/2004 9:30:00 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: nuconvert
Got Me. I didn't see the date.
33 posted on 04/11/2004 9:31:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Never get between the lemmings and the water.)
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To: Ann Archy
PS

I meant to say ..brave and UNAPPRECIATED servicemen ..

34 posted on 04/11/2004 9:32:16 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
President Nixon decorated Bob Kerrey with the Congressional Medal of Honor.

It seems that certain clandestine work was being done against vietcong infrastructure people, and this guy was part of it. The full story will probably never be told because it is rumored to have involved special operations. Nothing glamorous, in fact quite the opposite.

This is an old article, and back then JFn Kerry was supporting Kerrey. Now that he's the apparent frontrunner, JFn Kerry gains most by distancing himself from Bob Kerrey, no?
35 posted on 04/11/2004 9:48:09 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: jamaksin
It's hard to tell just who th Bc is talking about here. But...

With John Effin' Kerry, the most important part of his record is what he did AFTER he returned, which was despicable and inexcusable.

He joined the VVAW, an organization funded by Fonda and the CPUSA. He undermined his fellow servicemen in a time of war and dishonored and lied about their service while making political hay with his own. He traveled abroad and consorted with the enemy to undermine the United states, the people of Vietnam, and betray American prisoners of war. He maintained his membership in the group when one of their leaders proposed the assassination of US leaders. The group actually took a VOTE on it, yet not one, not even Kerry, had the integrity to report the assasssination plot. He tried to deny his presence there, but was caught in his lying and still associates with the individual who proposed it to this day. He ran for ofice and used his brother to break in to his opponents' headquarters and steal for John Effin' Kerry's benefit.

He uses his position as Senator to make deals for his cousin with communist Vietnam for profit, helping his company obtain valuable Vietnamese real estate development contracts in exchange for promoting the interests of the Vietnamese government. He uses his position as Senator to make deals with Chinese nationals to give China missile technology in exchange for political donations. He voted to cut US intelligence capability - benefiting all of our enemies- to promote his radical vision of an America that cannot act independenty even in its own defense.

He rejected his medals and his scorned his own service- he should not be credited with that he himself has publicly scorned and thrown away, even if he secretly threw someone else's medals away because he could not part with what he needed so desperately to disguise his intenationalist agenda and dupe potential voters who might erronously assume he is a patriot instead of an international socialist serving foreign interests, not American ones.

And the only foreign 'leader' we know who has met Kerry after he made his claim was the terrorist leader of the IRA who met him in Boston recently.

Just the guy we need to confont terrorism. Maybe it takes one to know one. [/sarcasm]

So it would be te John Kerry's advantage to bring on Bob Kerrey- they are made for each other in that Kerrey could 'back up' Kerry's broadbrushed lies about American troops, at least in the eyes of the ignorant voters they need. They could try to cloud Kerry's internationalist agenda with Bob Kerrey's 'atrocities' (which he says others did but he verbally takes responsibility for without of course, actually taking any REAL responsibility for under the law.) I suppose some folks would think that a guy who could commit an atrocity against Vietnamese couldn't possibly be in bed with them, or with other foreigners.

And Kerrey's one-time vocalness in going after al Qaeda (which may or may not have be typical of his other comments during the nineties) would help cover for John Kerry's very dangerous weakness in foreign policy. Nevermind that with John Kerry, he may talk tough when in front of a crowd of veterans or soldiers, but will sing a totally different song of appeasement when he is spaking infron radical friends. Is Kerrey any different? Most leftists are two-faced and inconsistent since it maximizes their voter base.

Plus Kerry could add Kerrey's medals to the ones he spit on in the hopes that simple-minded voters would assume that so many medals, including self-awarded ones, always imply that the bearers have a love of country. Nevermind that history features a number of medaled men who committed terrible acts against their own citizens and nations.

36 posted on 04/11/2004 10:04:45 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: iconoclast
Kerrey didn't lose both legs.....and he ADMITTED to atrocities, so what's a person to do, just say..."YOU ARE A HERO"....you must think that Max Cleland is a hero also.
37 posted on 04/11/2004 12:28:03 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Kerrey didn't lose both legs.....

I KNOW he didn't lose both legs, you dingbat. I was implying that you hero evaluators should OUTDO him before you set yourselves in judgment of him.

I'm sorry one lost leg and the Medal of Honor doesn't impress you. I suspect you don't have personal memories of the Viet Nam War.

38 posted on 04/11/2004 5:38:06 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
You have no idea who you are addressing....I have PLENTY of memories of Viet Nam.
39 posted on 04/11/2004 7:10:12 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: iconoclast
Only Bob Kerrey is responsible for his shame
40 posted on 04/11/2004 7:48:30 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Tell the truth on the b9st0rds)
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To: stocksthatgoup
I wasn't there. Were you?
41 posted on 04/12/2004 1:47:14 AM PDT by iconoclast
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