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Posted on 04/19/2004 2:05:56 PM PDT by floriduh voter
Persistent and Loyal Friends of Terri and of the U.S. Constitution,
I'm home from today's hearing which was held at the Criminal Courthouse Complex on 49th Street, Clearwater before Judge W. Douglas Baird.
Once I collect my thoughts from today's hearing which just adjourned about a half an hour ago, I'll post them here. Initially, I wasn't going to do any reporting re: the hearing but it was enlightening.
I learned today in the hallway that Terri's parents, siblings and other relatives are still unable to see her some three weeks later due to the criminal investigation of what may have been mosquito bites. But, that's a different legal matter.
The right to pray MY way
Published Saturday, May 1, 2004 by Heather Johnson
What started out as a routine Senate session, soon turned into a battle between freedom of speech and abiding by the rules.
Reverend Dr. Clayton Cloer, senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Central Florida in Orlando, offered a prayer to open the Senate on Wednesday. But according to Senate guidelines, suggested by the National Conference for Community and Justice, Cloer did not follow them. Cloer believes he did follow those guidelines. I did receive the guidelines. They say to seek the highest common denominator without compromise of conscious. I would be compromising my conscious to not pray in Jesus name, he stated.
Senator Ron Klein (D-Delray Beach) was one of the Jewish members of the Senate that heard Cloers prayer. Though he wasnt offended, he believes that one should be able to pray to a group of people and still remain nondenominational.
Prayer is something that can be done in a way that anyone could relate to. Its just a courtesy that one can give a prayer to a variety of religious backgrounds without giving a specific reference to their own God, and be very successful to getting the day on the right foot by getting all 40 people in the room uplifted, he remarked.
Referenced throughout Cloers prayer was the word we. For example, We thank you, Lord, that there is a system in our state that affirms and appreciates religious expression and even provides the freedom for people to believe in one God; the freedom for people to believe in Jesus Christ; or to believe in that which is what they believe in their own conscience.
Cloer ended the prayer by saying, We pray these things in the wonderful, matchless name, the great name of our God and Savior. I pray them in the name of Jesus. Amen. I prayed on behalf of the group, Cloer explained. When I concluded, I went from we to I. I was not going to force people to pray to the God that I pray to.
Though the prayer did offend some Jewish members of the Senate, as well as some local Jews, Cloer said he didnt mean to offend anyone. In fact, it was Cloer who felt in some way offended.
He [Senate President James King, Jr. (R-Jacksonville)] glared at me. I would hate to determine his level of indignation. I was stunned. I think this would upset anyone who heard my prayer that this type of prayer would call for an apology, he said.
As for King, he was upset because this was the third day in a row that something like this happened in which a person who came to give the opening prayer offended members of the Senate.
The fact that he said anything was extremely rare. Senator Daniel Webster (R-Orlando) [who invited Cloer] said that he couldnt remember that a presiding person had ever made such an apology.
Klein did approach Cloer after the session. He wanted to make sure Cloer didnt leave without understanding the reasoning behind the apology.
We have a policy in the Senate that prayers are supposed to be inspirational and not divisive. I didnt want him to walk out if the chamber and not understand why the Senate president said what he said, Klein said.
Recently, Monsignor John McMahon, senior pastor of St. Joan of Arc in Boca, was Kleins guest to say the opening prayer at the Senate. Klein says that McMahon remained inspirational while still following the guidelines for public prayer.
But Cloer doesnt believe that one can pray to their Lord without praying in his name. Otherwise, it would just be a generic prayer.
The Senate would have to virtually adopt their own prayer. They would have to leave their conscious at the door Cloer said.
JIM KING, HOSPICE HALL OF FAMER AND SECULARIST OF THE YEAR. He's the opposite of Judge Roy Moore in many ways.
What happened to "freedom of religion"? I guess once you make a deal to starve thousands of Floridians what's a little apology for having Jesus mentioned on the floor or the Senate?
Why must we wait until November? He could still make trouble in his district!
Click here: Recall Senate President Jim King Petition
Please disseminate this petition far and wide if you will. While registered voters in Jim King's Florida district are most pertinent, we would be remiss if we excluded those who feel their voice must be heard.
According to the Florida Constitution, Article V (Judiciary), Section 8 (Eligibility):
No person shall be eligible for office of justice or judge of any court unless the person is an elector of the state and resides in the territorial jurisdiction of the court. No justice or judge shall serve after attaining the age of seventy years except upon temporary assignment or to complete a term, one-half of which has been served...No person is eligible for the office of circuit judge unless the person is, and has been for the preceding five years, a member of the bar of Florida.
And while the Florida Division of Elections site is a little confusing to me, it appears that "qualifying" as a candidate may close on May 7 (this coming Friday). I'm confused because the circuit court judicial elections are "nonpartisan" and they may fall (instead of under "State and Judicial") under "State, Multicounty, County, District and Nonpartisan Candidates," which would mean the candidate qualifying period would be July 12 - July 16.
Source? I've read an awful lot about Jim King lately, and all I've been able to find out about his future political plans is that he "might" seek reelection to the state senate in 2006, but is still undecided. I've seen no references to any gubernatorial aspirations.
I certainly don't want to see the man become governor (although, even if he did run, I doubt that he'd get past the first primary), but I also don't want to expend limited energy and resources fighting a battle that doesn't exist.
It appears to me that Florida is becoming more and more corrupt, just like the UN. Do you suppose that good 'ol George Soros could be paying these guys under the table? He is pro-death among other things and has a lot of money that can be used to "buy" a lot of people--eg: judges, senators, attorney generals, etc., etc.