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TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO DAILY THREADAPRIL 19, 2004 FORWARD
April 19, 2004 | floriduh voter

Posted on 04/19/2004 2:05:56 PM PDT by floriduh voter

Persistent and Loyal Friends of Terri and of the U.S. Constitution,

I'm home from today's hearing which was held at the Criminal Courthouse Complex on 49th Street, Clearwater before Judge W. Douglas Baird.

Once I collect my thoughts from today's hearing which just adjourned about a half an hour ago, I'll post them here. Initially, I wasn't going to do any reporting re: the hearing but it was enlightening.

I learned today in the hallway that Terri's parents, siblings and other relatives are still unable to see her some three weeks later due to the criminal investigation of what may have been mosquito bites. But, that's a different legal matter.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: baird; conservative; constitution; deathcultivation; discovery; douglasbaird; fightorg; govbush; grinches; happymothersday; jbaird; mothersday; mothrg; schiavo; schindler; sixthcircuit; spiritorg; terris; terrischiavo; terrisfight; terrislaw
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To: yesnettv
Not that I know of. Not as of yet.
351 posted on 05/01/2004 1:20:34 PM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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+ Pray bump +

Oh Terri

How we wonder how you are




352 posted on 05/01/2004 9:38:19 PM PDT by Chocolate Rose
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To: floriduh voter
"JIM KING RENOUNCES HIS FAITH...

Early Thursday, Florida Senate President Jim King apologized to the Senate because a pastor opened the session and closed his prayer in the name of Jesus!"


It was just a matter of time. I guess I'm not acting outraged because it's gotten beyond that; and not acting surprised because it was to be expected. Sooner or later, those on the dark side always tip their hand.
353 posted on 05/01/2004 10:33:32 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: pc93
Bravo. It had to be done, and I applaud you for being a brave person to do it.

Lots of people would be in lots of trouble if the violations of those laws were prosecuted. Unfortunately, they'd have to be prosecuted in the same courts that are a major part of the problem.

Gotta press on.
354 posted on 05/01/2004 10:40:23 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: pc93
bump
355 posted on 05/01/2004 11:52:47 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: floriduh voter
Hi, fv -- Thanks for your posts & pings.

I went to http://www.reclaimamerica.org/ but did not find this info listed there yet. How did you find this appalling info out? Do you have a link I can pass along to others of that information? It needs to get media attention.
356 posted on 05/02/2004 4:44:29 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer; cyn; FR_addict; windchime; Budge; Deo volente; nicmarlo; Ohioan from Florida; ...
Please share with others and tell them to share with others, etc.

Regards and thanks.

Petitions:

"Saving Terri Schiavo"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/19461949/

"Governor Bush Place Terri Into Protective Custody"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/chisana7/
357 posted on 05/02/2004 5:17:05 AM PDT by pc93
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To: pc93
WE DEMAND A PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE CLEARWATER
POLICE DEPARTMENT EXONERATING TERRI'S PARENTS FROM
ALL FALSE ACCUSATIONS.. TERRI HAD PETECHIA ON HER ARM. NO ANNUAL
CARE PLAN EXISTS OR HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR YEARS. MICHAEL NO LONGER
HAS RIGHT OF GUARDIANSHIP. HE NEEDS TO BE OFFICIALLY REMOVED
AS GUARDIAN! TERRI IS BASICALLY BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY MICHAEL
SCHIAVO/HIS ATTORNEYS. HOSPICE OF FLORIDA SUNCOAST IS AIDING
AND ABETTING VIOLATION OF MULTIPLE FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.
PLEASE ACT.

This is Terri's 34th day of forced isolation from her parents, siblings,
priest, those who love her and her 1483rd day confined to just a single
small room by Hospice of the Florida Suncoast (give or take a few days
of having to be in the hospital from neglect and almost being
dehydrated/starved to death). Terri is denied any extensive/comprehensive
range of motion therapy or any kind of therapies that could make her better.
Terri is not terminal yet Michael Schiavo is trying hard to make it so. AHCA's
April 1st investigation didn't see anything wrong with Terri's teeth yet shortly
after their investigation 5 teeth were completely removed from her mouth,
with no restorative work considered. The evidence cannot be denied. The
question is WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR
FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DOING ABOUT
BRINGING THE PERPETRATORS TO JUSTICE?

While your at it....make them investigate as to how MS got away with telling two seperate stories on how Terri was "found". See below:
This is court documented records that contain two ENTIRELY different scenes. How is it that this has not been investigated? WHO IS GOING TO ANSWER TO THIS???





IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
2 CIVIL DIVISION
DATE AND TIME: July 27, 1992; 9:05 a.m. CASE NO. 92-939CI-15
p.99 of MS Depo Med Mal Pt 4
24 Q Now, what -- when you saw her, do you know
25 what time it was? ___
p.103 of MS Depo Med Mal Pt 4
1 A I believe it was almost five a.m..
2 Q When you saw her, how was she lying; in other
3 words, on her back or --
4 A On her back.
5 Q Did she make any sound at all before she fell



CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
STATE OF FLORIDA IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
PROBATE DIVISION
CASE NO. 90-2908-GD3 January 24, 2000
BEFORE: GEORGE W. GREER
Circuit Court Judge
PLACE: Clearwater Courthouse
Clearwater, FL 33756
Q Michael, tell me what occurred on
11 February 25, 1990.
12 A I got home late from work that night. I
13 came in the house. Terri woke up. She heard me.
14 I gave her a kiss good night. She gave me aiss
15 good night. A few hours later, I was getting out
16 of bed for some reason and I heard this thud. So
17 I ran out into the hall and I found Terri on the
18 floor. I knelt down next to her and I turned her
19 over because she sort of fell on her face. On her
20 stomach and face.
21 I turned her over going, "Terri, Terri.
22 You okay?" She kind of had this gurgling noise.
23 I laid her down and ran over and called 911.

+++
>>The other side LIESFrom LKL
KING: Michael, if you eventually lose in the courts, do you have plans?

SCHIAVO: I'll continue to take care of Terri.

KING: You just will abide by that and continue to take care of Terri?

SCHIAVO: Yes.

...but MS also said this earlier in the interview...

KING: How do you feel about all this? In your gut, how do you feel? You could have walked away, Michael.

SCHIAVO: I could have. But I love my wife. And I'm going to follow her wish (Ed. Read "my wish". In court records Michael told a witness that he didn't know what Terri's wishes were).

And nothing's going to stop me.

___

Petitions:

"Saving Terri Schiavo"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/19461949/

"Governor Bush Place Terri Into Protective Custody"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/chisana7/
358 posted on 05/02/2004 7:03:01 AM PDT by pc93
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To: KDubRN
I thought Greer was up for reelection this year? Aren't we more likely to defeat him at the polls than to get the necessary signatures for recall (assuming that "recall" applies to judges; I think they fall under "impeachment" rather than "recall," but I'm not sure). Is Greer running unopposed, or has another candidate declared?

What did you find out?

359 posted on 05/02/2004 7:11:57 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Wampus SC
Every government representative in the country should be aware of Mark 8:38. The believers there ought to start praying publicly "in Christs name" ever time they open their elected mouths and every public opportunity they get. Let the rest of the ones that are ashamed of him be publicly known, not that God doesn't already know.
360 posted on 05/02/2004 7:25:03 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: cyn
This came in an email to me. I'm sorry I can't do any more research at this time because I'm on another project this a.m. Try googling for Senator Jim King headlines or news.
361 posted on 05/02/2004 7:27:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ GOP HELP TERRI or Constitution Party Here I Come)
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To: cyn
On google, I found this which gives the date of the JIM KING latest sign of incompetency and lack of a moral compass.

The right to pray MY way

Published Saturday, May 1, 2004 by Heather Johnson

www.Bocanews.com

What started out as a routine Senate session, soon turned into a battle between freedom of speech and abiding by the rules.

Reverend Dr. Clayton Cloer, senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Central Florida in Orlando, offered a prayer to open the Senate on Wednesday. But according to Senate guidelines, suggested by the National Conference for Community and Justice, Cloer did not follow them. Cloer believes he did follow those guidelines. “I did receive the guidelines. They say to ‘seek the highest common denominator without compromise of conscious.’ I would be compromising my conscious to not pray in Jesus’ name,” he stated.

Senator Ron Klein (D-Delray Beach) was one of the Jewish members of the Senate that heard Cloer’s prayer. Though he wasn’t offended, he believes that one should be able to pray to a group of people and still remain nondenominational.

“Prayer is something that can be done in a way that anyone could relate to. It’s just a courtesy that one can give a prayer to a variety of religious backgrounds without giving a specific reference to their own God, and be very successful to getting the day on the right foot by getting all 40 people in the room uplifted,” he remarked.

Referenced throughout Cloer’s prayer was the word “we.” For example, “We thank you, Lord, that there is a system in our state that affirms and appreciates religious expression and even provides the freedom for people to believe in one God; the freedom for people to believe in Jesus Christ; or to believe in that which is what they believe in their own conscience.”

Cloer ended the prayer by saying, “We pray these things in the wonderful, matchless name, the great name of our God and Savior. I pray them in the name of Jesus. Amen.” “I prayed on behalf of the group,” Cloer explained. “When I concluded, I went from ‘we’ to ‘I.’ I was not going to force people to pray to the God that I pray to.”

Though the prayer did offend some Jewish members of the Senate, as well as some local Jews, Cloer said he didn’t mean to offend anyone. In fact, it was Cloer who felt in some way offended.

“He [Senate President James King, Jr. (R-Jacksonville)] glared at me. I would hate to determine his level of indignation. I was stunned. I think this would upset anyone who heard my prayer that this type of prayer would call for an apology,” he said.

As for King, he was upset because this was the third day in a row that something like this happened – in which a person who came to give the opening prayer offended members of the Senate.

“The fact that he said anything was extremely rare. Senator Daniel Webster (R-Orlando) [who invited Cloer] said that he couldn’t remember that a presiding person had ever made such an apology.”

Klein did approach Cloer after the session. He wanted to make sure Cloer didn’t leave without understanding the reasoning behind the apology.

“We have a policy in the Senate that prayers are supposed to be inspirational and not divisive. I didn’t want him to walk out if the chamber and not understand why the Senate president said what he said,” Klein said.

Recently, Monsignor John McMahon, senior pastor of St. Joan of Arc in Boca, was Klein’s guest to say the opening prayer at the Senate. Klein says that McMahon remained inspirational while still following the guidelines for public prayer.

But Cloer doesn’t believe that one can pray to their Lord without praying in his name. Otherwise, it would just be a generic prayer.

“The Senate would have to virtually adopt their own prayer. They would have to leave their conscious at the door” Cloer said.

JIM KING, HOSPICE HALL OF FAMER AND SECULARIST OF THE YEAR. He's the opposite of Judge Roy Moore in many ways.

362 posted on 05/02/2004 8:02:23 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: CindyDawg
As of this moment, GREER IS UNOPPOSED and he's already filed his papers and opened his campaign bank account. Judges do not have FREE SPEECH so he won't be able to say anything about Terri during his campaign. If he's unopposed, then he won't even have to be on the ballot, I'm guessing. THEN WE NEED TO DO THE RECALL PETITION.
363 posted on 05/02/2004 8:05:22 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: floriduh voter
And get someone to "oppose" him. :')
364 posted on 05/02/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: cyn; Dante3
I can't pull it up but JIM KING's apology that Jesus's name came up on Wednesday is also on worldnetdaily.com.

What happened to "freedom of religion"? I guess once you make a deal to starve thousands of Floridians what's a little apology for having Jesus mentioned on the floor or the Senate?

365 posted on 05/02/2004 8:15:18 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: Wampus SC; cyn
hyperlink for JIM KING's apology:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38271

Why must we wait until November? He could still make trouble in his district!

366 posted on 05/02/2004 8:35:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: CindyDawg
re: 364. Easier said than done. This is the devil's playground.
367 posted on 05/02/2004 8:41:08 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: cyn; All
3. PETITION TO REMOVE SENATE PREZ JIM KING

Click here: Recall Senate President Jim King Petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/nutmeg97/petition.html

Please disseminate this petition far and wide if you will. While registered voters in Jim King's Florida district are most pertinent, we would be remiss if we excluded those who feel their voice must be heard.

368 posted on 05/02/2004 8:48:56 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: floriduh voter
Yeah, but seriously what are the required qualifications? Surely there is one pro life candidate that would be willing to give him a run for his money. Maybe even a freeper :')
369 posted on 05/02/2004 9:02:15 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: floriduh voter; All
Please ping your lists and disseminate this recall on Jim King.
Doesn't matter that King is up for reelection or not. What matters is that he is planning to run for GOV when JEB's term is up.
Can we get the required sigs? With a lot of drive we can.
And if others choose to sign the petition as well, what a statement.
So, please sign and disseminate.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?nutmeg97
370 posted on 05/02/2004 1:29:27 PM PDT by KDubRN
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To: CindyDawg
Yeah, but seriously what are the required qualifications?

According to the Florida Constitution, Article V (Judiciary), Section 8 (Eligibility):

No person shall be eligible for office of justice or judge of any court unless the person is an elector of the state and resides in the territorial jurisdiction of the court. No justice or judge shall serve after attaining the age of seventy years except upon temporary assignment or to complete a term, one-half of which has been served...No person is eligible for the office of circuit judge unless the person is, and has been for the preceding five years, a member of the bar of Florida.

371 posted on 05/02/2004 1:36:28 PM PDT by tbritton
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To: tbritton
So we need a lawyer (under 70. That's stinks)of 5 years that resides in the county, right? Any freeper takers? It would we wonderful but winning not necessary. This judge gets competition and he might start listening to the "little people" Yall, don't let him run unopposed. At least make him work for it.
372 posted on 05/02/2004 1:55:38 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
bump
373 posted on 05/02/2004 2:37:08 PM PDT by Chocolate Rose
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To: CindyDawg
So we need a lawyer (under 70. That's stinks)of 5 years that resides in the county, right? Pretty much, except the person would have to reside in the judicial "circuit" (in this case, Pinellas or Pasco counties, I think).

And while the Florida Division of Elections site is a little confusing to me, it appears that "qualifying" as a candidate may close on May 7 (this coming Friday). I'm confused because the circuit court judicial elections are "nonpartisan" and they may fall (instead of under "State and Judicial") under "State, Multicounty, County, District and Nonpartisan Candidates," which would mean the candidate qualifying period would be July 12 - July 16.

374 posted on 05/02/2004 2:55:33 PM PDT by tbritton
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To: cyn
You see this ? Freep mail.
375 posted on 05/02/2004 3:09:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: KDubRN
Doesn't matter that King is up for reelection or not. What matters is that he is planning to run for GOV when JEB's term is up.

Source? I've read an awful lot about Jim King lately, and all I've been able to find out about his future political plans is that he "might" seek reelection to the state senate in 2006, but is still undecided. I've seen no references to any gubernatorial aspirations.

I certainly don't want to see the man become governor (although, even if he did run, I doubt that he'd get past the first primary), but I also don't want to expend limited energy and resources fighting a battle that doesn't exist.

Thanks!

376 posted on 05/02/2004 3:10:48 PM PDT by tbritton
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To: KDubRN
Just signed the petition with the comment "He is NO servant of the people and must GO!"

It appears to me that Florida is becoming more and more corrupt, just like the UN. Do you suppose that good 'ol George Soros could be paying these guys under the table? He is pro-death among other things and has a lot of money that can be used to "buy" a lot of people--eg: judges, senators, attorney generals, etc., etc.

Thoughts?

377 posted on 05/02/2004 6:43:37 PM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: CindyDawg; floriduh voter; pc93; tbritton; Pegita; FR_addict; Ohioan from Florida; ...
What do the locals and legal minds think? Is finding an opponent to Greer worth pursuing? If so, how best to do it since time is of the essence? It does not need to take attention off other things needing to be done for Terri.

From our archives, [and THANKS to those who put this info to the thread in the first place, incl. pegita, tutstar, taxrelief] we find at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1110705/posts?q=1&&page=1 4/3/4 posts 29, 34, 35:

--> http://www.greeklaw.com/ --> http://www.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/library/releases/2002/july/jnc-07-09-02.html -- Tragos Appointed to 6th Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission. Tragos is listed w/ Clearwater address.

Also we know Tragos is a listed on the board of directors of professionals in excellence in health care: http://www.pehc.org/ -- P.O. Box 3034, Clearwater, Fl. 33767 They posted a statement against euthanasia
And look who's on the advisory board: Demetria Tragos, R.N. ... h'mm.

So what kind of interest there is in finding and VERY actively supporting a candidate for Greer this time, not just freepers -- but needs LOCALS, pref. w/legal background or contacts. Time is short, if true ends this Fri. (vs July?)

Is this worth doing? Seems worth it to me -- put some fear and humility into the equation. As someone says, "campaign like you're on the ballot"!

I'm praying for God, our merciful Father, to put it into someone's heart to run against this most ethically-challenged incumbent. I was a small part of a judicial campaign like this, and let me tell you -- the victory was **very, VERY** sweet!

378 posted on 05/02/2004 9:22:52 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Prayerfully submitted, in hopes that the right locals will see and be able to pursue this to a very satisfactory end.

Good night, FR; good night, Terri. May those angels seen and unseen continue to guard, protect, and defend you now as they have in the past. Let no one lay an unkind hand or word on you.

May your mother soon be allowed the mother's day gift she most wants: YOU.
379 posted on 05/02/2004 9:26:59 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
If someone intersted in running it is a win situation either way. Even if the judge gets re-elected , the campaign going to bring Teri to the attention of a lot of voters.
380 posted on 05/02/2004 9:31:14 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
A referendum on Terri, if you will; get the fence sitters and the bored thinking about who and what they support.
381 posted on 05/02/2004 9:35:48 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: CindyDawg; Pegita; PrepareToLeave; cpforlife.org; Coleus; MHGinTN
To get it going -- I'll donate $10 to the qualified pro-life conservative candidate who runs against Greer in this election.

I know it's not much -- but it comes with my standard "loaves and fishes" prayer, lol!

Plus (fwiw) what I learned from that other campaign: keep it all simple, don't have to spend a lot of money to run a good, smart, winning campaign. I couldn't even get a yard sign; I was on a dead end -- signs all went to prime yards, lol!
382 posted on 05/02/2004 9:41:57 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
$10.00, that's what freeper congressmanbillybob is doing to fund his campaign.
383 posted on 05/02/2004 9:51:01 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: cyn
Yeah, you guys in Florida find us a good lawyer to run and I'll match Cyns 10 and will make her a yard sign :')
384 posted on 05/02/2004 10:04:44 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Coleus; CindyDawg
Hi, coleus. Thanks for that info and that link. I noticed he's a lawyer, that he writes a civil rights column . . . is he aware of Terri Schiavo's situation, and might that be of interest to him to address in some way? might he be of some help to freepers in that area in suggesting how they might roust up a viable candidate?
385 posted on 05/03/2004 6:10:14 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: CindyDawg; Congressman Billybob
...it was SO funny! I did finally get one -- election night! But then I gave it back for the next time! That campaign was all about good stewardship and appreciation of everyone's time, money, and efforts, and committing it all to the Lord.

The ethically-challenged candidate got more votes than he should have, but more voters learned that they DID have a VERY good alternative, and they took it.

It is an awesome & powerful thing to have a truly good and honorable candidate.

Thank GOD for good people in office, and they have my prayers that they stay strong and good for us. And now let's get some for Terri.

386 posted on 05/03/2004 6:42:30 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: All
Bumping the Petitions



"Saving Terri Schiavo"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/19461949/

"Governor Bush Place Terri Into Protective Custody"
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/chisana7/
387 posted on 05/03/2004 7:57:48 AM PDT by Chocolate Rose
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To: Chocolate Rose; cyn; NYer; nickcarraway; FL_engineer
FROM THE SPTIMES.COM WAY BACK MACHINE.

By CANDACE RONDEAUX © St. Petersburg Times published July 10, 2002

Officials failed to carefully monitor guardianships set up for the elderly and infirm, leaving some of the Pinellas County's most vulnerable citizens at risk of being defrauded, an audit has found.

The audit found that guardians didn't file reports on time, that the Clerk of the Circuit Court didn't monitor attorney and guardian fees, and that the clerk's office does not consistently review documents filed by the guardians.

The late filings and lack of county oversight provide a breeding ground for hucksters looking to bilk elderly and mentally disabled wards out of money.

"There needs to be a better level of protection provided to the wards," said Robert Melton, deputy director of the clerk's Internal Audit Division.

Karleen De Blaker, the county's longtime clerk of the circuit court, acknowledged the audit's findings and said the "cursory checks" her office conducts of guardians' reports aren't enough.

De Blaker said the six county employees assigned to review guardians' records are not sufficiently trained to identify errors or irregularities in reports submitted by attorneys and guardians.

"They're clerical employees. They're not auditors trained in accounting. There were definitely some cases where they hadn't always checked accounts with reports from the year before," De Blaker said.

De Blaker, first elected in 1980, said the county plans to provide additional training in basic auditing techniques for clerks who review guardianships before the year is out.

The St. Petersburg Times won a Pulitzer Prize in 1995 for a series of articles that examined Florida's probate system and guardianship administration.

Guardians are appointed to oversee the financial affairs of elderly, infirm and otherwise incapacitated people who can't take care of themselves. Sometimes the guardians are family members; sometimes they are professionals appointed by a judge. They are supposed to file regular records and inventories of their clients' assets.

According to the report, Pinellas oversees an estimated 8,500 guardianships, open estates and incapacity cases.

The recent audit, dated June 20, examined 42 cases. Among the findings:

In 57 percent of the cases reviewed, auditors found that guardians and personal representatives had not filed state-mandated initial inventories of their clients' assets and accounts on time. In at least two cases, initial accounting reports were filed seven months late.

In 39 percent of the cases, auditors found that guardians filed incomplete annual reports for their clients, leaving out key details that could alert the county to fraud or financial mismanagement.

In roughly one third of the cases, guardians did not provide itemized billing detailing separate fees for attorney and paralegal services.

The auditors' report includes 15 recommendations to improve the county's oversight of guardians, including the introduction of a tracking system for late and incomplete reports.

De Blaker said the two judges assigned to monitor guardian and attorney fees in Pinellas County need to take a closer look at the annual reports. "The judges are just signing off on it, but they're not looking to see whether the attorney is charging the right amount or what it's for," De Blaker said.

One of the two judges, Circuit Court Judge David Seth Walker, said he questioned the audit's findings.

Walker said he was "astounded" that the county's internal auditors did not contact the court to ask for more information about the way attorneys' fees for guardianships are handled.

"I am deeply disturbed by the fact that they've written this report without any judicial input whatsoever," he added.

Walker and others who work with the probate division say that much of the confusion and opportunities for financial misdeeds occur when family members become legal guardians for elderly parents or mentally disabled children.

Bryan Albers, chief counsel for the Guardianship Association of Pinellas County, said professional guardians and probate attorneys receive routine training from his organization about new rules for guardianship accounts.

Albers said family members who become guardians are frequently overwhelmed by the mass of paperwork for simple tasks like home repairs for an elderly parent's home.

"They're trying to take care of their loved ones as much as possible and on some of these things it's easy to slip up," Albers said.

FV SAYS: Back in 1995 and 1996 when I did probate and guardianship accountings in the Sixth Circuit, my WORK HAD TO BE PERFECT per the Probate Dept.'s satisfaction, to the penny. Something drastic changed after 1996. The entire Sixth Circuit has run amok and THEY DESERVE ALL THE BAD PUBLICITY THEY'RE GETTING THESE DAYS.

388 posted on 05/03/2004 8:02:22 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: tbritton
Judge Greer's buddies wrote the Judicial campaign rules which PROTECTS INCUMBENTS. If someone whats to run against Greer they must file the first week in May, moved up from July this time around.
389 posted on 05/03/2004 8:05:41 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: cyn
The opposition to Greer must file this week. So far nobody's filed to run for Judge. If Greer's unopposed, we will have to unseat him now or after he's handed his undeserved job for another term.
390 posted on 05/03/2004 8:07:49 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: pc93; cyn; sweetliberty; NYer; nickcarraway; russesjunjee; GWB and GOP Man; Republic; ...
New Bureaucrat to email. The Guardianship Task Force seems to be ignoring Terri as much as the other bureaucrats. Does anyone get the feeling that to all but a handful of leaders, TERRI'S INVISIBLE?

TALLAHASSEE – The Guardianship Task Force plans to meet on Friday April 23, 2004 in the St. Petersburg area at Stetson University’s Gulf Port campus. The Guardianship Task Force will be addressing issues of guardianship and incapacity as directed by Senate Bill 2568 (2003). The public meeting will also include time to receive comments from the public on guardianship and incapacity. Public testimony is scheduled to begin at 10:00a.m. Written public testimony may be mailed to the Guardianship Task Force, Statewide Public Guardianship Office, 4040 Esplanade Way, Suite 360-I, Tallahassee, Florida 32399-7000, faxed to 850-414-2384, or

emailed to Sean Griffith at griffithsp@elderaffairs.org

IT TAKES A HALF A MINUTE OR LESS TO DO THESE EMAILS. It's a good idea to save an original Email re: Terri and just copy and paste it so we don't have to be Pulitzer Prize winners every time we do an email. Just a suggestion.

391 posted on 05/03/2004 8:22:22 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: floriduh voter
"The Guardianship Task Force plans to meet on Friday April 23, 2004 in the St. Petersburg area at Stetson University’s Gulf Port campus." -- how could they have avoided some discussion of Terri, at least in general terms? I wonder what was covered in this meeting, wouldn't it be open under the sunshine laws?

anyway...bump

392 posted on 05/03/2004 10:46:14 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
There are a lot of task forces and meetings over here. Unfortunately, we can't cover everything that goes on. It's logisically impossible.

Everyone will avoid discussing Terri if they're part of the system. It was an open meeting but we have other obligations in addition to helping Terri.

Maybe that Task Force will have a report that's available on line or that would be available under the Freedom of Information Act.

We simply cannot attend everything even if it's open to the public. It's a pressure cooker to live here and we're keeping it together somehow.

393 posted on 05/03/2004 4:20:24 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: cyn; Saundra Duffy; tutstar; Republic; FL_engineer; FR_addict; NYer; nickcarraway
Terri's Fight News is at my web site. If you want to put your Terri blog or web site link on my Terri page, freepmail me.


394 posted on 05/03/2004 4:37:17 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: AnimalLover
Just signed the petition with the comment "He is NO servant of the people and must GO!"
It appears to me that Florida is becoming more and more corrupt, just like the UN. Do you suppose that good 'ol George Soros could be paying these guys under the table? He is pro-death among other things and has a lot of money that can be used to "buy" a lot of people--eg: judges, senators, attorney generals, etc., etc.

Thanks for the sig.
Florida isn't safe, unless you're an animal. You have all kinds of protections then.
As a Republican, King sure has some skewed views. I think most are aware of Soros and his euthanasia lobbying. That's what is so troubling about King withdrawing SB692 from all committees.
There was a blip on local news that King was interested in GOV when JEB's term expires. My husband has been saying for months he was running for GOV.
395 posted on 05/03/2004 7:52:06 PM PDT by KDubRN
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To: KDubRN
There was a blip on local news that King was interested in GOV when JEB's term expires.

Maybe it's time we ALL called Mr. King's office, flooded it with mail and load up E-Mails, advising him there is NO way he will ever become Governor or dog catcher if WE have anything to say about it!

Also, maybe if we all chipped in $5.00 we could hire a good investigator to check this guy out. I'll bet he's on the take and corrupt as they come. And, a RINO!

396 posted on 05/04/2004 12:15:48 AM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: floriduh voter; phenn; cyn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; Deo volente; ...
Somehow I missed this post. I think I've missed a bit over the last couple of days. Has there been any progress on finding an opponent for Greer? I'm pinging my whole Terri list in case anyone has any current news. Please post if you do. Thanks, y'all!
397 posted on 05/04/2004 8:40:53 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; FL_engineer; sweetliberty; NYer; nickcarraway; MeekOneGOP; russesjunjee; ...
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE. Please ping your lists.

Can you do one simple project for me that would be a major help.

CITY OF CLEARWATER IS POLISHING ITS IMAGE FOR A CONTEST TO BE THE ALL AMERICAN CITY. www.sptimes.com today's paper. I haven't gotten it here yet. CYN, could you link it here?

I have the phone numbers for the City of Clearwater's Communication Director: DOUG MATTHEWS: PH #727-562-4661 AND cell #224-7031.

(I haven't looked up his physical address or email address yet) NEED A VOLUNTEER TO LOOK THOSE UP?????

The contest is being run by the NATIONAL CIVIL LEAGUE out of Denver, Colorado.

*** Please forward this email to your friends to contact Doug Matthews and tell him Clearwater's chances of winning as All American City are slim and none because of Clearwater and Pinellas County's mistreatment of an INNOCENT WOMAN. They can fill in their own remarks beyond that.

IMPORTANT: It's KEY to state that you are not with the attorneys or Terri's family, but are a CONCERNED TAXPAYER FOR JUSTICE IN PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

Thanks a bunch,

floriduh voter(great archives if you click on my screen name there)

PS: I will be getting contact information for the National Civil League in Denver, CO.

When those who want to contact the NCL do so, WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL NOT TO SLANDER THE CITY OF CLEARWATER AND TO JUST LAY OUT THE FACTS AS WE KNOW THEM. They have tried to starve Terri to death TWICE, the Judges have ignored the guardianship statutes and the Clearwater Police Dept. is investigating a criminal assault against Terri Schindler-Schiavo WHICH MAY SIMPLY BE A HOAX PERPETRATED BY the husband's attorney.

Hardly an All American City unless we are competing with the TALIBAN and Al Quaeda. If you think that the City of Clearwater should win as All American City, then DISREGARD THIS POST.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, floriduh voter

398 posted on 05/04/2004 9:35:37 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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To: floriduh voter; phenn; cyn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; Deo volente; ...
Pinging to 398!
399 posted on 05/04/2004 9:46:47 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
REST OF FREEP OF VOTING AGAINST CLEARWATER AS ALL AMERICAN CITY.

INFORMATION ON NATIONAL CIVIL LEAGUE IN DENVER, COLORADO:

Why is Clearwater in the top 30? Visit the web site and see what the award is for. It doesn't match with what's been done to Terri!

NATIONAL CIVIL LEAGUE

http://www.ncl.org/about/press/2004/0415.htm

National Civil League - the winner of the All American City Award is FOR EXCELLENCE IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, HUMAN RIGHTS, POLICING, etc.

NATL CIVIL LEAGUE - Contact Info: gchandler@ncl.org Ph #303-571-4343 FX #303-571-4404

IMO, this is not a good year for Clearwater to be in the TOP THIRTY. CLEARWATER SHOULD LOSE THE COMPETITION hands down.

400 posted on 05/04/2004 10:00:18 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/ Me, My, Mine)
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