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Jordanian Militants Shown Confessing on State TV
Reuters ^ | 4/26/04 | Suleiman al-Khalidi

Posted on 04/26/2004 1:53:03 PM PDT by TexKat

AMMAN, Jordan (Reuters) - Jordanian state television aired Monday what it said were confessions by captured militants tied to al Qaeda who said they had planned deadly chemical attacks that could have killed thousands of people.

Authorities had already reported the plot earlier this month, but the confessions shown on a prime-time broadcast provided further details of the planned attacks.

The arrested militants, who included Syrians, said they were ordered by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, accused by Washington of being a top al Qaeda supporter, to attack targets that included the heavily fortified U.S. embassy and intelligence headquarters.

The head of the group, Azmi Jayousi, said that he first met Zarqawi during his training in an al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan and met him again in Iraq without giving any dates.

"I pledged allegiance to Zarqawi and after the fall of Afghanistan I met him again in Iraq," said Jayousi, who had clearly identifiable bruises on his face and palm.

"Zarqawi commissioned me to go to Jordan to wage military action," Jayousi said in the 20-minute broadcast where he calmly recounted how he carefully planned with his accomplices the chemical attacks using trucks.

A narrator, without any detailed explanation, said at least 80,000 people would have been killed in the attack by toxic fumes spreading over a radius of more than three miles. The high figure cited was symptomatic of the high tension prevailing in the kingdom, with wide media coverage of raids and street checks.

Jayousi said he set up a chemical factory near the northern city of Irbid, close to the Syrian border, and received $170,000 in financing and logistic aid along with fake passports and forged banknotes from Suleiman Darwish, an alleged Zarqawi aide living in Syria.

The broadcast showed graphic pictures of the location of the alleged chemical plants and the trucks that were to be used in the attacks. It did not say what type of chemical explosives were being prepared.

Another captured militant shown on television was a Syrian national, Annas Sheikh Amin, 18, who said he went to Afghanistan where he was trained at a Qaeda camp before heading to Jordan.

Jordanian Hussein Sharif said he was driven by a fervent belief that the attacks would promote the cause of Muslims.

"I agreed to this operation because I thought it would serve Islam," a bearded Sharif said.

Security sources said al Qaeda had sought to punish Jordan for supporting Washington's efforts to pacify post-war Iraq, and was incensed over covert aid Jordan had given to the U.S. military campaign there.

Jordanian officials said ten days ago they had found explosive-carrying cars believed to have been loaded by an underground group linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

Jayousi said he planned the attack with trucks laden with 20 tons of explosives. King Abdullah said after the arrest of the group earlier this month that it had had saved "thousands of lives"

Jordanian intelligence officials have often boasted in recent years that their efforts have foiled plots by al Qaeda-linked militants to launch deadly attacks on Western targets and government installations.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: annassheikhamin; azmijayousi; chemicalattack; husseinsharif; irbid; jordan; suleimandarwish; syrianborder
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1 posted on 04/26/2004 1:53:04 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Say, any one out there in FReeperland know if al-Jazeera(Arab eqivalent of N.Y.Slimes)(Motto: "All the Fiction Fit to Broadcast") is telling the Arabs about the al-Quaeda plot to kill thousands of muslims in Jordan on the off-chance they might get a few westerners??
2 posted on 04/26/2004 1:57:55 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: TexKat
How in the HELL is this being kept out of the mainstream media?????
3 posted on 04/26/2004 1:58:13 PM PDT by johnb838 ("I really don't care; they're all gonna die," US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: johnb838
Hey CNN is just today reporting the capture of the chemicals as breaking news. Only a week late
4 posted on 04/26/2004 2:02:34 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: johnb838
Did you check out the location of their chemical factory.

Jayousi said he set up a chemical factory near the northern city of Irbid, close to the Syrian border, and received $170,000 in financing and logistic aid along with fake passports and forged banknotes from Suleiman Darwish, an alleged Zarqawi aide living in Syria.

5 posted on 04/26/2004 2:06:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
"I agreed to this operation because I thought it would serve Islam," a bearded Sharif said.
I hear you, dude. I thought using a super-soaker to spray hydrochloric acid on school girls would serve Islam. Boy was I wrong. I should have tortured them with red-hot pokers first.

(What sort of God-awful religion is this?!)
6 posted on 04/26/2004 2:07:36 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: TexKat
Jordanian state television aired Monday what it said were confessions by captured militants tied to al Qaeda

....OMGOSH...this will seriously contaminate the jury pool!! (/sarcasm)

7 posted on 04/26/2004 2:10:42 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: TexKat
I pledged allegiance to Zarqawi and after the fall of Afghanistan I met him again in Iraq

Don't hold your breath waiting for the mainstream press to cover this.

8 posted on 04/26/2004 2:13:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: TexKat
Still no one wants to report who was supplying the chemicals, or from where the terrorists were to get them. The version I heard last week, when this story was breaking everywhere in the world except the U.S. (FNC partially excepted), is that the chemicals were to come directly from Syria, but Syria may have been only an intermediary (albeit an active and willing one).

A birdie tells me that the bad stuff came originally from Iraq, and the plot was being implemented through Al Queada operatives based in Iraq, beginning with Al-Zarqawi, Al Queada's man in Iraq apparently at least since the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

If I wasn't such a cynic, I would further guess that this part of the story is being suppressed in the United States because it makes Bush look great and his political opponents (including especially the "mainstream" media) look, well, not so great.

9 posted on 04/26/2004 2:14:12 PM PDT by kesg
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To: johnb838
Was this part of Saddam's stockpile of wmds?

One of them on the Jordanian Govt. Video stated that this was to be the first of Al Queda chemical attacks.

10 posted on 04/26/2004 2:17:16 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: kesg
If I wasn't such a cynic, I would further guess that this part of the story is being suppressed in the United States because it makes Bush look great and his political opponents (including especially the "mainstream" media) look, well, not so great.

I think that everyone was waiting on the Jordanian government to get all their ducks in a row regarding the matter and bam here today we get the info. CNN just showed clips of the head guy and some of the raid.

CNN's Aaron Brown is scheduled to have a special on the matter tonight.

11 posted on 04/26/2004 2:23:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Wonder if these guys got THEIR Maranda rights read to them before the sharp stick started going under the fingernails or shoved up other dark spots?!?!?!?!
12 posted on 04/26/2004 2:37:08 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: TexKat
Ve haf waves of making you talk!


13 posted on 04/26/2004 2:38:00 PM PDT by Leisler (Everything is forbidden except when expressly permitted.)
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To: TexKat
Was this part of Saddam's stockpile of wmds?

The world wonders. Well, except for the US because Pravda and Izvestia aren't telling us about it.
14 posted on 04/26/2004 2:41:28 PM PDT by johnb838 ("I really don't care; they're all gonna die," US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: RetiredArmy
Jordanian state television aired Monday what it said were confessions by captured militants... (snip)

I pledged allegiance to Zarqawi and after the fall of Afghanistan I met him again in Iraq," said Jayousi, who had clearly identifiable bruises on his face and palm.


Can we PLEAZE get serious about fighting the war on terror?
15 posted on 04/26/2004 2:46:29 PM PDT by johnb838 ("I really don't care; they're all gonna die," US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: johnb838

This image grab from the official Jordanian TV shows a combo of 10 members of a terrorist cell, four killed and six arrested recently in Jordan, according to the official television station.(AFP/JORDANIAN TV)

This image grab from the official Jordanian TV shows 'chemicals that terrorists from Al-Qaeda were trying to make explosives with', according to a taped testimony by arrested members of a terrorist network in Jordan aired by the official television station.(AFP/JORDANIAN TV)

This image grab from the official Jordanian TV shows one of the workshops where members of a terrorist cell in Jordan were preparing 'chemicals that terrorists from Al-Qaeda were trying to make explosives with', according to a taped testimony aired by the official television station.(AFP/JORDANIAN TV)

This image grab from the official Jordanian TV shows one of the cars purchased by a terrorist cell in Jordan who were planning a huge attack in Amman, according to a taped testimony by members of the cell aired by the official television station.(AFP/JORDANIAN TV)

A portrait of Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden burns after protestors set alight his effigy during a protest against terrorism. Jordan foiled a chemical attack linked to Al-Qaeda against the intelligence services with trucks loaded with 20 tons of explosives that could have killed 80,000 people, security officials said.(AFP/File/Mandel Ngan)

16 posted on 04/26/2004 2:57:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Jordan says major al Qaeda plot disrupted

In a videotape shown on Jordanian TV, Hussein Sharif said he was recruited as a suicide bomber.

See the suspected terrorists' taped confessions on CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown at 10 pm ET.

17 posted on 04/26/2004 3:21:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: oceanview; Peach; prairiebreeze; Dog; liz44040; rod1; brigette; Alan; Mitchell
Ping
18 posted on 04/26/2004 3:49:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
10:00 CNN tonight. I'm watching and taping it.
19 posted on 04/26/2004 3:56:31 PM PDT by Peach
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To: TexKat; Cap Huff; oceanview; swarthyguy; Boot Hill; Coop; Angelus Errare
See post number 5..
20 posted on 04/26/2004 4:00:04 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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Jordanian authorities said Azmi Jayyousi was the suspected ringleader in an alleged al Qaeda plot.

"I took explosives courses, poisons high level, then I pledged allegiance to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, to obey him without any questioning," Jayyousi said.

21 posted on 04/26/2004 4:10:07 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dog
Nightline's doing a program on this tonight. Let's see how hard they look at Syria.
23 posted on 04/26/2004 4:37:17 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: liz44040; Dog
my guess is - we have to talk it down, since we aren't prepared to do anything about it right now.

The media has sucessfully backed the administration into a corner on the whole WMD thing. they would start demanding positive proof as to where it came from, and we can't make a link that would "hold up in court" as they say.

the big fear now - do they have more of this stuff to use against our forces in Iraq. I still do not understand why Jordan was the target for use of this material.
24 posted on 04/26/2004 4:51:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: swarthyguy
nightline? they have this reduced to two M-80s tied to a bottle of Mr. Clean.
25 posted on 04/26/2004 4:52:20 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: TexKat; Peach; Dog
Great thread TexKat, thanks for the ping.

Dog, Who is Suleiman Darwish? I don't recognize the name.

Also, with the Syria connections being highlighted more and more, is Jordan being utilized to help put more pressure on Assad?

Prairie
26 posted on 04/26/2004 5:39:42 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Resign and testify you feckless, duplicitous, devious traitor. Yes, Jamie, I mean you!)
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To: TexKat
portrait of Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden burns after protestors set alight his effigy during a protest against terrorism

That's an improvement.

27 posted on 04/26/2004 6:33:26 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TexKat
maybe it's just the color scheme but....
28 posted on 04/26/2004 6:35:45 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TexKat
Does anyone know what kind of chemicals they were going to use in their chemical attacks? I mean were they "WMD" chemicals or were they just brewing some meth?
29 posted on 04/26/2004 6:40:17 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
Does anyone know what kind of chemicals they were going to use in their chemical attacks? I mean were they "WMD" chemicals or were they just brewing some meth?

LoudRepublicangirl the only chemical that I have heard mentioned thus far is sulphuric acid.

Azmi al-Jayousi, identified as the head of a Jordanian terror cell, appears in this image from video, from a 20-minute taped program aired on Jordanian television Monday, Apri 26, 2004. Al-Jayousi described meeting Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq (news - web sites) to plan chemical and poison gas attacks against the US Embassy and other targets in Jordan for Al-Qaida. (AP Photo/ArabicNat via APTN)

30 posted on 04/26/2004 7:30:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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This image grab from Jordan's official TV shows Jordanian al-Qaeda leader Ahmad Fadel al-Khalayleh, nicknamed Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, who was masterminding terror attacks to hit Jordan, according to a taped testimony by members of a terrorist cell aired by the official television station.(AFP/JORDANIAN TV)

31 posted on 04/26/2004 7:38:56 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Jordan Airs al-Qaida Suspects' Confessions

Tuesday April 27, 2004 3:01 AM

By JAMAL HALABY

Associated Press Writer

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) - Al-Qaida plotted bomb and poison gas attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan, suspects confessed in a videotape that aired Monday on Jordanian state television. A commentator said the plotters hoped to kill 80,000 people.

One of the alleged conspirators, Azmi al-Jayousi, said he was acting on the orders of Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian wanted by the United States for allegedly organizing terrorists to fight U.S. troops in Iraq on behalf of al-Qaida. U.S. officials have offered a $10 million reward for his capture.

Al-Jayousi, identified as the head of a Jordanian terror cell, said he met al-Zarqawi in neighboring Iraq to plan the attacks.

The 20-minute taped program contained what were described as confessions by the suspects, who were arrested a month ago. Officials said four terror suspects believed linked to the conspiracy died in a shootout with police in Amman last week.

A commentator on the tape, who wasn't further identified, said the plotters targeted Jordan's secret service, its prime minister's office and the U.S. Embassy.

``At least 80,000 people would have been killed,'' the commentator said. Al-Zarqawi ``is the terrorist'' who plotted this operation.''

Another Jordanian suspect, car mechanic Hussein Sharif Hussein, was shown saying al-Jayousi asked him to buy vehicles and modify them so that they could crash through gates and walls.

The bearded Hussein, looking anxious, said al-Jayousi told him the aim was ``carrying out the first suicide attack to be launched by al-Qaida using chemicals ... striking at Jordan, its Hashemite (royal family) and launching war on the Crusaders and nonbelievers.''

A Web site known for publicizing messages from Muslim extremists on Monday carried a purported claim of responsibility from al-Zarqawi for suicide boat attacks against Gulf oil terminals Saturday that killed three Americans and disabled Iraq's biggest terminal for more than 24 hours.

``I have pledged loyalty to Abu-Musab to fully be obedient and listen to him without discussion,'' al-Jayousi said in the Jordanian television segment. He said he first met al-Zarqawi in Afghanistan, where al-Jayousi said he studied explosives, ``before Afghanistan fell.'' He said he later met al-Zarqawi in Iraq, but was not specific about when.

The videotape also showed still photographs of al-Jayousi and nine other suspects. The commentator said four had been killed in clashes with security forces. Three of the slain men were identified as Syrians. But Syria has denied Jordanian claims that militants involved in the plot entered Jordan from Syria.

Al-Jayousi said he received about $170,000 from al-Zarqawi to finance the plot and used part of it to buy 20 tons of chemicals. He did not identify the chemicals, but said they ``were enough for all the operations in the Jordanian arena.''

Images of what the commentator said were vans filled with blue jugs of chemical explosives were included in the broadcast.

Hussein, the car mechanic, said he met al-Jayousi in 1999 but did not clearly say when the terror plans were laid out.

Al-Jayousi said he and Hussein bought five vehicles, including a truck which was to be filled with explosives and used to attack the intelligence department. At least two vehicles had forged license plates and car registrations.

Citing unidentified technical experts, the commentator said al-Jayousi had made enough explosives to cause ``two explosions - conventional and chemical - which were to have directly affected an area within a 2-kilometer (one mile) radius.''

Al-Jayousi said he began making the explosives in a secret lab. Another detained terror suspect, Ahmad Samir, said that he worked in one of the labs for two months. ``I never had the chance to leave it at all ... for the protection of the operation.''

No trial date has been set in the case.

Airing suspects' confessions before their trial is unusual in Jordan. In 1998, six men accused of affiliation with a militant group confessed on television to planting a bomb that exploded outside an Amman hotel. Five years later, a court found them innocent.

The unusual move may be an attempt to answer critics who claim the government has exaggerated the terror danger to justify tightening security. Officials in Jordan, a moderate Arab nation with close ties to the United States and a peace treaty with Israel, say the kingdom has been repeatedly targeted by al-Qaida and other militant groups.

32 posted on 04/26/2004 7:50:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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The Jordan Times

'Attack could have killed 80,000'

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

The members of the terrorist network planned on attacking the headquarters of the General Intelligence Department, the Prime Ministry and the US embassy

By Mahmoud Al Abed

AMMAN — Suspects arrested earlier this month in connection with a major terrorist plot confessed to planning to carry out the first ever Al Qaeda chemical attack in Jordan.

The members of the terrorist network planned on attacking the headquarters of the General Intelligence Department, the Prime Ministry and the US embassy in Amman.

In taped testimonies broadcast on Jordan Television Monday, the suspects revealed that the mastermind of the operation was the Iraq-based top Al Qaeda leader, Ahmad Fadeel Khalaileh, better known as Abu Mussab Zarqawi.

The TV programme quoted experts as saying that if successful, the operation could have killed 80,000 persons and caused physical harm to 160,000 others.

The suspects in custody are the group's leader, Azmi Jaiousi, Ahmad Samir, Hussein Sharif Hussein, Anas Sheikh Amin, Mohammad Salamah Sha'ban and Hosni Sharif Hussein. Four others, Mwaffaq Odwan, Hassan Simsimiyya, Salah Marjehm and Ibrahim Abu Kheir linked to the same plot, were killed in shoot out with security forces when they refused to surrender.

Last week, authorities announced that they had killed four terrorist suspects, three of them reportedly Iraqis, in shoot-out in the Hashmi Shamali neighbourhood of Amman.

Jaiousi, who appeared in the televised programme, said that he met Zarqawi in Afghanistan, then in Iraq, where he was recruited to carry out the attack.

"Abu Mussab assigned me to go to Jordan, with Mwaffaq Odwan. Our mission was to instigate military work on the Jordanian arena. He [Zarqawi] arranged for my infiltration to Jordan," Jaiousi testified.

Jaiousi added that contacts with his leader were through prepaid mobile phone cards and through messengers who came from Syria.

The first attack was planned against the General Intelligence Department, using three large trucks laden with 20 tonnes of chemical explosives and two small cars.

Using $170,000 Zarqawi sent him from Iraq, Jaiousi said the group purchased the vehicles and structurally reinforced them, bought the chemicals and manufactured part of them in a deserted house in a village near Irbid, then later in a warehouse near Ramtha.

"I envisioned the result after executing the work. According to my experience as an explosives expert, the whole of the Intelligence Department would have been totally destroyed, and nothing of it would have remained, nor anything surrounding it. Destruction would have even reached far away areas," Jaiousi said.

The suspects said they were driven by religious beliefs to carry out the terror attacks.

Hussein Sharif, who helped in preparing the trucks, said: "I agreed to participate in this operation, because I thought it would serve Islam."

Security officials arrested members of the group in March and earlier this month and seized five explosives laden vehicles.

His Majesty King Abdullah described the plot as "a crime never before seen in the Kingdom.”

He told the San Francisco Chronicle, while visiting the US last week, that "it was a major, major operation."

"It would have decapitated the government," the King told the paper in April 17 interview.

Zarqawi was sentenced to death in absentia earlier this month, when the State Security Court found him guilty of masterminding the October 2002 murder of USAID employee Laurence Foley.

33 posted on 04/26/2004 8:25:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
If this guy in the screen capture is al-Zarqawi, and I question whether or not it is based on the photos I saw in this last week on another thread, then the guy they caught, Jayyousi might just be al-Zarqawi.

One is frontal and one is a profile, but these guys look like the same guy to me. Check out the eyes and the lips especially. At the very least, these guys are related to one another, but they look like the same guy, with the color photo being a bit older and a little heavier.

I really think it's the same guy. They better make sure of who they have before they kill this guy.
34 posted on 04/26/2004 8:32:16 PM PDT by GEC
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To: GEC; prairiebreeze; oceanview; Peach; Dog; swarthyguy
but they look like the same guy

They certainly do look alike GEC.

Opinions??

35 posted on 04/26/2004 9:30:37 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: GEC; MEG33

36 posted on 04/26/2004 9:38:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
What is GEC?
37 posted on 04/26/2004 9:50:05 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
GEC is the freeper who posted to me in post #35.
38 posted on 04/26/2004 10:37:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
These reports about how Jordon stopped a "deadly chemical attack" by terrorists have been coming in for well over two weeks now and with each telling of the story, the size and deadliness of the bomb keeps getting inflated higher and higher.

Now this particular version of the story comes along, and just like all the others, it remains silent on the single most crucial fact of the entire story. And that is, what was the WMD chemical agent that the terrorists had in their possession and were planning on using with such devastating effect?

When terrorists are caught planning to set off a bomb, that is a "dog bites man" story. But when terrorists are supposedly caught with great amounts of what, by all press accounts, could only have been one of the deadly nerve toxins (sarin, tabun, soman, VX, etc.) and the only source of supply for those toxins would be from a government (like the former Iraqi regime), then you have an earth-shaking, stop the presses, 144 point type headlines, "man bites dog" story.

Yet, pregnant by its absence, these reports continue with still no one confirming what deadly WMD agent was found in the possession of these terrorists.

Mind you, I have no doubt that Iraq was in possession of WMD as of March, 2003. Nevertheless, these recent series of unconfirmed reports out of Jordon about "deadly chemical" weapons, have the distinct odor of bovine excrement about them.

I'm glad you posted this story, but until the authorities choose to disclose what chemical warfare agent was involved, I would recommend to all a very much greater degree of skepticism.

--Boot Hill

39 posted on 04/27/2004 12:14:53 AM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: TexKat
Still, I guess the stuff they had was highly explosive(I'm no explosives expert)I think this Zarqawi guy is the Al Qaeda link in Iraq. So much for the dummycraps trying to deny that Iraq played a hand in 9-11.
40 posted on 04/27/2004 5:24:06 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Leisler
Ve haf waves of making you talk!


41 posted on 04/27/2004 5:49:36 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Is this the one where he sings, 'Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds'? If so there might be a Geneva Convention prohibition.....
42 posted on 04/27/2004 7:04:19 AM PDT by Leisler (Everything is forbidden except when expressly permitted.)
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To: JeeperFreeper
Just visited the alJazeera site in Arabic. They are just showing the usual ANTI US photos of Iraqi civilians (who knows?) with their heads blown off, laying down, and people crying over them. Probably in Najaf or Fallujah earlier today. Graphic. www.aljazeera.net

That's as much as they have on this Jordanian attack think, i.e. ZILCH.

43 posted on 04/27/2004 7:14:55 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hey...who stole my tag line earlier today? Give it back!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Correction: They are in fact running something. It is at:

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2004/4/4-27-4.htm

44 posted on 04/27/2004 7:17:35 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hey...who stole my tag line earlier today? Give it back!!)
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To: TexKat; Dog; Angelus Errare
DOn't know if Zarkawi and Juayassi are the same guy or not.

Why would they hide it? What would be the motive.

But, AE, significant to me that two of these jihadis seem like older guys, not that they aren't prevalent in the islamistinternationale, but you rarely see them in operational squads.

Does make sense that Mid40's somethings guys, entranced by the jihad, would, just like younger men, seek salvation through their jihad.

Maybe that our profiling methods just went out the window and the age bracket should expand upward.


45 posted on 04/27/2004 9:52:30 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Zarqawi is a member of Bani Hassan, a native Jordanian tribe, while Jayyousi is said to be a Palestinian. The photo the media is using of Zarqawi is his mugshot from back when he was released from Jordanian prison in 1997 and I've seen more recent ones showing him as sporting a full beard. Jayyousi also appears to have broader shoulders than Zarqawi.

As far as age goes, Zarqawi is only in his 30s and he in fact dropped out of high school to go fight in Afghanistan. Jayyousi looks to be in his late 30s to mid-40s so my guess is that he's the older of the two. Jayyousi's now confessed that trained at Zarqawi's camp in Herat and my guess would be that he's part of the first generation of Afghan Arabs from the 1980s and folded into al-Qaeda like most of the rest of them after bin Laden assassinated Abdullah Azzam.

I agree that our profiling bracket should expand upwards, but keep in mind that the traditional profile of a suicide terrorist was more or less demolished by the 9/11 hijackers. As of right now, we should probably be ready for anything.
46 posted on 04/27/2004 11:38:34 AM PDT by Angelus Errare
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To: TexKat
Thanks for the side by side view.

My brain functions like a face-recognition machine.

I track faces of celebrities in movies and TV with little difficulty in spite of makeup, etc.

If I could see these two guys walking I would know for sure.

The color photo guy has a LOT more weight than the guy in B&W, but I'd bet the ranch that it's the same guy.

That being said, I saw four photos of Zarqawi once and they did not all look like they were the same guy to me.

If the guy on the left is Zarqawi, he was wearing the tuq for a reason. Balding is one of those reasons.

I don't expect the Jordanians to let this guy go either way, but I hope they beat him up some more before they behead him or hang him.

47 posted on 04/29/2004 2:04:44 PM PDT by GEC
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To: Angelus Errare; TexKat
Don't be fooled by the receding hair line.

"Jayyousi" is in his 30s. My guess would be early 30s.

There is no material difference between Jordanians and Palestinians.

If you were Zarqawi and you got busted, would you admit to being Zarqawi?

Zarqawi may indeed be in Iraq, and indeed he may be in Fallujah, but I think the possibility that this "Jayyousi" guy is Zarqawi should be investigated.

Of course, none of the media outlets in the U.S. will even touch the story, let alone investigate the players.

48 posted on 04/29/2004 2:26:51 PM PDT by GEC
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To: swarthyguy
Why would they hide it? What would be the motive

Have you ever known a criminal who doesn't initially try to use an alias when he has a rap sheet as long as his arm, or $10 million on his head?

49 posted on 04/29/2004 2:29:51 PM PDT by GEC
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To: GEC
But why would the JOrdanians hide such a catch.
50 posted on 04/29/2004 2:33:38 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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