Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned For Summer

National Geographic News ^ | 4-27-2004 | Hillary Mayall

[Winfield]

Maybe.......but wouldn't it be interesting to find
some petrified elephant dung and emu poop up there on top of that mountain? ( :

[Sloth]

Yep, that's Noah's ark alright. Either that, or something else entirely. But it's definitely physical matter.

[johnwayne]

Looks like a rock sticking out of the snow.

This will probably lead to nothing. It would be nice if they discovered something of interest up there instead of them coming home completely empty handed. I don't think they'll find what they're dreaming about.

[Blzbba]

"So yes, Blzbba is right."


Thank you very much!

Thanks also for the diamond link. But what about U-Pb (Uranium-lead) radio-isotope dating, which, to date (bad pun) has been shown to be extremely accurate?

[swilhelm73]

That's the thing, as I mentioned - if the top of Mt Ararat is defrosting now, then it regularly defrosted before the little ice age.

[Blzbba]

" Both kinds too are subject to huge errors. "

So too is the retelling of an ancient story for several thousand years before finally writing it down for posterity and subsequently believing said story word-for-word without question...



"What I want to know is if evidence is found of a huge boat at 12,000+ feet, what will conventional science have to say?"?


The weather started getting rough, the mammoth ship was tossed! If not for the courage of Noah and crew, the Ark would have been lost!

(apologies to the Skipper and Gilligan, who did an excellent job of landing the Minnow)

[DannyTN]

"But what about U-Pb (Uranium-lead) radio-isotope dating, which, to date (bad pun) has been shown to be extremely accurate?

U-TH-PB DATING: AN EXAMPLE OF FALSE ISOCHRONS

"Excerpted the Conclusion fro above link

The concerns raised by Zheng [28] regarding U-Pb isochrons are warranted. At Koongarra a 207Pb/206Pb “isochron” produced from 11 hand-picked uraninite and galena grains, plus four whole-rock samples, yields an “age” of 863 Ma, the same as a near-concordant “age” from one of the uraninite grains. Nine weathered whole-rock samples yield an “isochron age” of 1270Ma, while 113 soil samples produce an excellent “isochron” with an “age” of 1445Ma. All of these “ages” are geologically meaningless. While the apparent isochron produced by the soil samples may be identified as a mixing line, produced by the mixing of radiogenic Pb with common or background Pb in the surrounding rocks and soils, even this explanation strains credulity because the samples come from up to 17km away from known uranium mineralization, and a few of the soil samples represent different rock types. Not only then has open system behavior of these isotopes been demonstrated, but apparent “isochrons” and their derived “ages” are invariably geologically meaningless. Thus none of the assumptions used to interpret the U-Th-Pb isotopic system to yield “ages” can be valid. If these assumptions were valid, then the 232Th/208Pb “age” of 0Ma for three of the five uraninite samples should be taken seriously. Creationists should therefore not be intimidated by claims that U-Th-Pb radiometric “dating” has “proved” the presumed great antiquity of the earth, and the strata and fossils of the so-called geological column. "

[BossLady]

Maybe it's the template for the 'Face On Mars'... LOL!

[Blzbba]

I would expect something like that from the Institute for Creation Research...

BTT - I have to leave work now and will look at it in more depth later. Appreciative of your responses, I am.

[John H K]

The deal with these dating techniques is they're incredibly complicated and really only people that do them could fully explain how they work.

But they're accepted by absolutely everyone except for a tiny band of young-earth creationidiots.

The Institude for Creation Idiocy does a fairly good job, however, of creating technical-sounding but bogus arguments against them for the benefit of their scientifically uneducated audience.

[Unknowing]

How can there be a large boat on top of a mountain? This expedition looks like just another excuse for a big fun camping trip.

[Burkeman1]

Yes I have seen that special on the History Channel as well. I don't know if it is Noah's Ark but with everything I have seen and read - there is something in the Ice up there of man made origin.

[DannyTN]

"The deal with these dating techniques is they're incredibly complicated and really only people that do them could fully explain how they work. "

Translation: "Trust us, PLEASE". What's so complicated about it?

• Certain radioactive elements are logically assumed (Assumption 1) to have decayed over time at the same rates that we currently measure radioactive decay.
• If (Assumption 2) the beginning ratios of mother and daughter elements can be assumed, and
• if (assumption 3) we can assume there has not been contamination into or leaching from the sample by either mother or daughter element or if (assumption 4) we can account for contamination/leaching, then it ought to work.

It looks quite simple to me, but it is based on assumptions and if those assumptions aren't sound, then false results occur. Also I understand that discordant dates using different methods are frequently obtained, but there is no way to know how many discordant dates were rejected either by the lab or the researcher and never reported.

But they're accepted by absolutely everyone except for a tiny band of young-earth creationidiots.The Institude for Creation Idiocy does a fairly good job, however, of creating technical-sounding but bogus arguments against them for the benefit of their scientifically uneducated audience.

Congratulations you just used 3 of the top bone-head arguments of evolutionists.

• Argument by name-calling.
• Argument by appeal to authority or intellectual snobbery: "All those scientists can't be wrong."
• Argument by claiming Creationists are money grubbers.

Top Bone-head evolutionist Arguments

[DannyTN]

"So too is the retelling of an ancient story for several thousand years before finally writing it down for posterity and subsequently believing said story word-for-word without question... "

But what if oral tradition never happened? Moses was trained as one of Pharoah's son's. It's entirely reasonable to believe that Moses could write. If God directed Moses to write the first five books of the Bible, then there is no oral retelling for thousands of years. There is only copying of the works of Moses and the obvious addition of the death of Moses.

Exodus 17:14 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

[4CJ]

Saw a special the other night on His. Intl. or History Channel. Looked like it was done back in 2000 or so. I'd like to see what they find. Doesn't change the fact the Flood happened but it would be interesting to find Noah's Ark

I saw the same thing. I have a book on it around here somewhere.

[blam]

"The wood could probably be dated using the carbon-14 method to see when the trees which compose the wood were cut down... "

Nah. They would use tree rings. The tree ring chronology is now 10,000 years long and is very well understood.

[blam]

"How can there be a large boat on top of a mountain?"

If Noah's ark is on that mountain, that's where he built it.

[fightu4it]

We have satellites that can read the numbers on an auto license plate. Wouldn't that be cheaper than going there?