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Are Homeschoolers really similar to Islamic Terrorists?
Creative Loafing,Charlotte ^ | BY QUINN COTTON

Posted on 05/11/2004 8:39:01 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross

Homeschool Horror Divinely ordained education, taught by martyrs

BY QUINN COTTON

You know how there are terrorist cells embedded throughout the world? Well, in my neighborhood we have numerous "homeschool" cells humming in the cul-de-sacs. They're almost as scary as the terrorist ones in some ways -- and they definitely have some traits in common with them.

When we first moved to Charlotte, the houses next to us, behind us, and diagonally across the street all contained children who mysteriously never seemed to leave home, and mothers with glazed expressions on their faces. The whole set-up of moms stuck with their school-age kids 24/7 gave me the willies, and that was before I even had one of my own.

Middle class areas seem to be magnets for little suburban schoolhouses. Even though there must be homeschooling pockets all over Charlotte, somehow I don't picture your basic Ballantyne babe risking breaking a nail on a chalkboard in the bonus room, or skipping a tennis set for an educational excursion to the sewage plant. Likewise, I doubt many Belmont moms miss a beat packing those kids off to public school. It's the middle class that gets suckered into the myth that mothers and older children can survive being together all day without somebody being strangled. The true "haves" and "have-nots" know better.

What's scary is that a lot of the homeschooling faithful are as fueled by a fanatical, religion-based belief in their mission as Islamist terrorists, and seem to be just about as brainwashed. Sometimes I even wonder if they're a manufactured race along the lines of the Stepford wives in Ira Levin's book, but assembled in fundamentalist Christian churches instead of family basements. Like the Stepford robots, they're programmed to fulfill their husbands' fantasies, only in this case it's their role as the Ultimate Selfless Mothers.

Other times I feel like the heroine in another famous horror story by Levin, Rosemary's Baby, at that chilling moment when she puts together the anagram "All of Them Witches" and realizes it refers to her seemingly harmless neighbors. Some of the homeschooling moms (HMs) are kind of witch-y, with the uncut hair and the long skirts because pants on females are unholy, but the description that really applies to this coven is "All of Them Zealots."

They're not only terrorist-like in their conviction that their calling is divinely ordained, homeschoolers also often have a broad martyr streak. Rather than suicide bombings, though, they commit "suicide book-learning," sacrificing their own lives to teach their kids. I've known one or two to get pregnant as an excuse to get out of homeschooling hell, but the true martyrs keep right on instructing, with the newest little pupil glued to their breast.

Beyond a certain age, children and mothers are just not meant to be isolated together. It's unnatural. Keeping the kids at home might have worked back in the Stone Age, but cave women would've at least had each other for company, and I bet they made damn sure the youngsters stayed off in a group together while they grunted gossip and drank their Cro-Magnon coffee.

Kids need their teachers to be adults, separate from their mothers. That way they can idolize or despise them apart from a parent figure, and don't have to depend on one person for everything they require. Did a parent of yours try to teach you to drive? How'd that go? 'Nuff said.

All young animals must be immersed in a mass of their peers so they can figure out what it means to function as a member of the larger group. Believe me, I'm aware that homeschooling families get their children together, since occasionally there'll be a flood of them from next door scrambling over the fence to play uninvited in our yard, but being with maybe a dozen other kids once in a while doesn't do the trick. It takes serious numbers for developing humans to catch on to the nuances of accepted behavior and to have a chance to make enough friends. I just can't see homeschooling providing adequate socialization.

One of my neighboring HMs taught her two kids through eighth grade, then threw them to the wolves in public high school. The boy ended up dropping out and doing jail time, and the girl got pregnant.

Yes, I know that homeschooled kids have won high-profile academic contests, but for every homeschooler who aces a spelling bee, there's some poor child being "instructed" by a parent who's barely literate herself. Teachers in the public school system are required to have certification and college degrees, yet any yahoo can force their kids to stay home as long as they pass an annual test.

What's really scary about homeschooling is what it can do to the sanity of a mother deluded into thinking it's her Christian duty. No woman was ever meant to be trapped in a house all day with children old enough to spell "homicide."

So if new neighbors move in next door and you notice that the kids never leave for school and mom wears her hair in two braids, be afraid. Be very afraid


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: barf; education; homeschool; homeschoolparanoia; homeschoolterrorism; northcarolina; socalledjournalism
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To: fml
"They will be more open minded then many here"


Gee, fml, I wish you had gotten the message out sooner, you're being held prisoner here. I set you free!!! And try not to feel so badly about sending your kids to public schools, sometimes parents really don't have a choice!

Regards,
Montana Beth
51 posted on 05/11/2004 9:22:48 AM PDT by MontanaBeth (Irritating a Democrat a day, since 1970)
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To: Caipirabob
Teachers in the public school system are required to have certification and college degrees, yet any yahoo can force their kids to stay home as long as they pass an annual test.

Now there's a REAL whopper. Many of the "guvmint certificated" teachers couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
52 posted on 05/11/2004 9:23:36 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
This guy is sooooo right! Nowadays it is extremely strange, suspicious, and downright terroristic for someone to refuse to enroll their children in the government-run socialist school/indoctrination system. Better call CPS and have those children taken by the State for their own good and the parents sent to the gulags/reeducation camps.
53 posted on 05/11/2004 9:24:27 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Teachers in the public school system are required to have certification and college degrees...

Lefties do so love some skins on the wall. Without a doubt, the most consistently clueless individuals I knew in college were the elementary education majors.

54 posted on 05/11/2004 9:27:06 AM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Izzy Dunne
"It takes serious numbers for developing humans to catch on to the nuances of accepted behavior and to have a chance to make enough friends. I just can't see homeschooling providing adequate socialization."

Here's some examples of government-school "socialization":

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My youngest son, who is in the fifth grade, brought home a letter from the principal yesterday. I seems he was disciplined for fighting. The letter stated that he had been knocked to the ground and was being kicked by a group of fellow students, and he got up and started hitting them back as I have always taught both of my boys. My son was punished for defending himself.
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At my Jr. H.S., it was standard policy to send BOTH parties involved in a fight home. A bully always slapped a friend of mine in the back of the head when he came into class EVERY day. And the wimp of a teacher did NOTHING!!!!! So one day my buddy switched seats with me an the bully hit me, and I stood up. I kicked his ass, of course. The teacher did NOTHING, AGAIN!!!!! But I was sent home, even though the priciple told my dad that the bully admitted to starting the fight. It was just school policy.
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Beginning of the school year some high school kid decides to establish a pecking order that includes my son...........resulting in him being pushed off his bike and picked on over a few days.

Our school has a "policy" against bullying, fighting, etc. At the open house my wife and I meet with the vice principal (after phone conversations) and put him on notice - we have noted the problem, the school has failed to deal with the issue-----he states that they will try to monitor the situation.

Fast-forward to a week later------big kid pushes my son off the bike at a corner......as my son gets up to brush himself off big kid comes in for more......a combination sweep of his legs and blow to his chest leaves the big kid gasping for air and in a world of hurt for awhile Big kid's buddy trys to get involved........ and discovers my son's foot in his face.
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I have been attacked several times at school. If there are teachers or administrators around, I just take it like a good little sheep. I already have bad enough grades, no sense making them worse by being suspended.

Now, if there aren't any admins around... at least I only have to hit back once or twice before they quit.
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My brother had the same problem. The school bully and his posse thump my nephew around a couple times, nephew won't fight back because he doesn't want trouble. School won't do anything about it.

Brother tells him to fight back in the future. Next time it happens, the bully ends up with a bloody snoot, and the principal called a meeting between parents to resolve the situation.
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I was standing in line to have my test graded in 5th grade math, and there was this jerk behind me. His back was about 3ft from the wall, as the line curved and they were standing parrallel. This is important for later.

So I was standing there, and the little jerk wouldnt leave me alone. Poking, hitting, slapping the back of my head. No matter what I said, he wouldnt stop, and the instructor was oblivious. Luckily, he was also the basketball coach.

Much to the dismay of the jerk in question, I had seen Goldfinger the night previously, and for some reason, the get-out-of-a-choke hands up then slammed into the ribcage move stuck with me. So, I turn around, and push him and tell him to stop. He decides he is going to grab me by the sholders and try something. Having remembered the move well, I executed it flawlessly. Hands up between his, knocking his arms out of the way, then straight down into his ribs with authority! He doubled over, and then I promptly body slammed him (little skinny punk, I weighed almost twice what he did) into the concrete wall. I then told him in a scary calm voice to "leave me alone." He did so after that...

My teacher said to take it outside next time, and not in his classroom. Ehh.
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I just have to share my daughter's experience when she was in JH. She's not imposing to look at, at 5'2", but swam competitively for about 9 years and even swam a 1500 freestyle event using the butterfly stroke to make a point. (Mostly the coach making a point about her to her).

One day near the end of school some boy attempted liberties with regards to her clothing that were uninvited, unwanted, and inappropriate. She decked him and made him cry.
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Personally, when I finally found myself surrounded by my elementary school tormentors, shoving me and calling me names, and swung out and caught one of them on the lip with my dentist's-office ring, I was sent to the office.

When I was being daily tormented by a pair of classmates during my newspaper route, it only came to a halt when I finally whipped a rock at him and hit the ringleader in the thigh from about 10 feet away.

How does this typical, run-of-the mill government-school socialization have anything to do with real life? In real life, if this kind of thing happened in a workplace, the oblivious supervisors would be sued right down to the kitchen sink and the perpetrators would be rotting in jail.
55 posted on 05/11/2004 9:27:18 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Izzy Dunne
And what's wrong with 2 braids? I'm trying to convince my wife she won't look like Pippi Longstockings if she wears them. (As she home-schools our 2 daughters, the 2 boys having gone off to college.)
56 posted on 05/11/2004 9:28:04 AM PDT by aloysius89 (I don't march. I am the different drummer.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
An acquaintance at Yale in '65, a scion of the Buckley clan, had been "homeschooled" by his father, before that word had even been coined.

Let me see:
brilliant - check
upperclass - check
resemblance to anyone described in this article: Nope!
57 posted on 05/11/2004 9:28:34 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Yes, I have a comment! The author is a pig. It sounds like he has his own problems raising his own child.

I homeschool my child but not for religious reasons. Wear jeans everyday and never braid my hair. I'm glad this guy is not my husband or father.

58 posted on 05/11/2004 9:28:34 AM PDT by knak
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
While I would not home school my kids, to compare home schoolers to terrorists is silly. some do however isolate their kids from the real world a bit too much IMO
59 posted on 05/11/2004 9:28:54 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Home schooled children are deprived of their basic inalienable right to score drugs from their classmates.
60 posted on 05/11/2004 9:29:01 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Second, I am giving serious consideration to homeschooling, or enrolling my youngest kids in a charter school. They are behind grade level, and even though we're moving to a different area, my youngest no longer likes school. Too bad...she still needs to master the core subjects.

It takes time and committment. I made the leap from employee to employer so that I could spend more time with my son, age 5. My wife is a full-time mom. He gets plenty of socialization, thankyaverymuch. He comes into my (home) office every morning to learn about stuff (planets and space, these days). I don't set up an instruction period, we just go to websites and drive the mars rover, or watch videos about planets. Next month it may be crabs, or dinosaurs, who knows.

Kids are full of learning instincts, until it gets beat out of them (as happened to me and my wife both) by public school.

Third, I may not be up to this task,

I would worry if you were sure of yourself. Since you're not, I'll bet you'll do just fine.

And it's not like you're committing to twelve years - do it until you can't manage any more.

61 posted on 05/11/2004 9:30:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
read later
62 posted on 05/11/2004 9:30:51 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Moleman
some do however isolate their kids from the real world a bit too much IMO

Look at post 55 and tell me how any of that typical government school BS has anything to do with the "real world."

In the real world, people work with and become friends with other people of all different ages, rather than being segregated into age-specific groups.

In the real world, assault is punished, not ignored.

63 posted on 05/11/2004 9:31:59 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Funny article if taken as satire.
64 posted on 05/11/2004 9:32:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (`,,`,,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,,`,,`)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
I bet they made damn sure the youngsters stayed off in a group together while they grunted gossip and drank their Cro-Magnon coffee.

What a sorry opinion of women this person has!
Apparently the purpose of sending the kids to school is so the moms can gossip and drink coffee!

65 posted on 05/11/2004 9:32:54 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: MontanaBeth
fml = fOAMING AT THE mOUTH lIBERAL
66 posted on 05/11/2004 9:33:20 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: Tax-chick
Well she did give us men some credit...

"Like the Stepford robots, they're programmed to fulfill their husbands' fantasies, only in this case it's their role as the Ultimate Selfless Mothers."

67 posted on 05/11/2004 9:33:22 AM PDT by Critter (What ever happened to conservative principles?)
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To: MontanaBeth
"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated -- and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't." --Charles Colson
68 posted on 05/11/2004 9:33:53 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit softly. Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
I’m an atheist home schooler who does so because the educational system in the UK failed my Dyslexic son. I took him out of the state educational system at 14years and successfully complained to the Local Government Ombudsman that the Local Education Authority had by their actions denied my son an education. They also had to change their policy in providing alternative methods of writing for dyslexic children. When it became clear that my daughter was also failing in the state educational system I removed her at the age of 9yrs from that situation and home educate her too. It’s been a steep learning curve and at times I have had a dark tea time of the soul when doubting my sanity and contemplating the enormity of the responsibility I had taken on. My son is now in Further Education and looking forward to studying philosophy, psychology and sociology at University. My daughter who believed she was too stupid to learn to read and write is now a bookworm who loves literature. I consider being able to homeschool an exciting experience which will also give me many advantages in the job market in the years to come (multi-tasking, organization, the ability to develop new skills and knowledge independently and the ability to pass on that information to name a few) Why do they always wheel out the old chestnut of socialization, the perceived notion that children, ‘must be immersed in a mass of their peers so they can figure out what it means to function as a member of the larger group.’, that always had undertones of children should be seen and not heard for me. Sadly, yet another sweeping, generalized and biased article about home education
69 posted on 05/11/2004 9:34:18 AM PDT by surfingdemon
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To: section9
"What tommyrot!"

I don't know if I've ever seen you this riled! Anyhow, I thought this article was a joke at first, but even if it were there are leftist zeolots out there who feel this way. We homeschool our kids and the world this writer portrays is completely foreign to us.

70 posted on 05/11/2004 9:35:16 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Exactly, only thing I liked was the Cro-Magnon coffee (does it come in de-calf?).
71 posted on 05/11/2004 9:35:43 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: mvpel
In the real world, assault is punished, not ignored.

How is assault ignored?? Please explain. I went through public school and so far have not been on drugs, killed anyone, voted for our President and have a successfull career.

72 posted on 05/11/2004 9:36:19 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: MortMan
Can the author of this tripe spell "socialist societal suicide"?

And can you say it three-times-quickly? How about after a couple of drinks :-).

But seriously, homeschooled students in NC don't have to *pass* any tests ... they just have to take a nationally-administered test and keep the results. This is only fair, since school students don't have to pass tests, either ... just take them.

73 posted on 05/11/2004 9:36:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; Dataman; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama
Spoiled-rotten, self-absorbed, adult-bodied infant trying to make herself feel better about being a spoiled-rotten, self-absorbed, adult-bodied infant.

Dan
74 posted on 05/11/2004 9:37:13 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: fml
They will be more open minded than many here,

Since you agree withe the article (as you said earlier), then should I assume that you would teach your kid(s) that Homeschoolers are like terrorists?

And who here would you say is not "open-minded"?

75 posted on 05/11/2004 9:37:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Moleman
See 55 for a variety of instances where assault was ignored by the administrators until the victim fought back.

I could recount many such instances from my own experience, but I'm not particularly interested in casting a pall over my afternoon.
76 posted on 05/11/2004 9:40:21 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Freepers, don't waste your time writing. "Creative Loafing" is one of those free rags you see in downtown cafes and avant-garde bong shops in Left Coast cities. We have one here in San Diego that spews leftist cr-p all the time and is hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Let Quinn Cotton write her trash. It's not changing anyone else's mind.
77 posted on 05/11/2004 9:41:00 AM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: All; everyone; SOMEONE; Everybody; Kim_in_Tulsa; diotima; TxBec; SLB; BibChr; JenB; ...

78 posted on 05/11/2004 9:41:37 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
What's scary is that a lot of the homeschooling faithful are as fueled by a fanatical, religion-based belief in their mission as Islamist terrorists, and seem to be just about as brainwashed.

Of course, Quinn. Do not let anyone tell you that you are intolerant and bigoted, OK? We would not want your bubble world to be popped.

Children who are homeschooled by religious parents are in good company and follow a tradition of homeschooled people, such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln...

79 posted on 05/11/2004 9:42:22 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (FMCDH)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
At least home schooling kept that daughter from getting knocked up in second grade as she might have in public school and the son wasn't prosecuted as a three time loser, in 8th grade, so home schooling proves it's benefits once again.
80 posted on 05/11/2004 9:42:25 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Republicans who die between now and 2 Nov. will be voting for Kerry. Stay healthy!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
I've come to the conclusion that when people realize they are of a lower moral character than others they deal with it by insulting, belittling and degrading those of higher morals.

I'm guessing its the mind's way of justifying bad behavior.
81 posted on 05/11/2004 9:42:49 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Critter
Yeah, so many husbands have fantasies about a woman with scruffy hair, frumpy clothes, no makeup, and wild eyes, discussing Quality Adjectives at the dinner table table while nursing a baby and exchanging knock-knock jokes with a 2-year-old, who gets up at 2 a.m. saying, "I have to put the laundry in the dryer!" and doesn't remember it in the morning ...
82 posted on 05/11/2004 9:43:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: tom h
"Freepers, don't waste your time writing. "Creative Loafing" is one of those free rags you see in downtown cafes and avant-garde bong shops in Left Coast cities. We have one here in San Diego that spews leftist cr-p all the time and is hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Let Quinn Cotton write her trash. It's not changing anyone else's mind."

BUMP! Creative Loafing is a leftist bird cage liner.
83 posted on 05/11/2004 9:44:11 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Rave on but don't come knocking on my door when you wonder why my 8 kids are at home.
84 posted on 05/11/2004 9:44:23 AM PDT by biblewonk (No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Creative loafing?

Indeed. But I think the loafing is more of the mental sort.

85 posted on 05/11/2004 9:44:24 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Tax-chick
LOL
86 posted on 05/11/2004 9:44:42 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
"When we first moved to Charlotte, the houses next to us, behind us, and diagonally across the street all contained children who mysteriously never seemed to leave home"

Obviouhe the writer is not a native North Carolinian. My guess is the writer is from New York City or some similar den of atheistic. anti-American, baby-killing, gun-hating, patriophobes. The writer might even be from Sodomscico in Gomorrahfornia.

Her comparison of children to animals indicates where her thoughts lie.

Her comparison of Christian Fundamentalists to Islamofascists demonstrates her total lack of knowledge of American culture, Christianity, Islam, history, and comparative theology.

I think the people of North Carolina would be much better off if the writer and other invaders who think like her, took their oral flatuence and went back to wherever they came from and left North Carolina what it was until relatively recently - a completely unadulturated part of Real America.
87 posted on 05/11/2004 9:45:13 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
I bet the person who wrote this was one of they bisexual breeders for choice marching in DC last week.
88 posted on 05/11/2004 9:45:54 AM PDT by biblewonk (No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Some people's worldviews are so limited that anything different is threatening. I am not talking about the homeschoolers, but about the standardized american thinking cranked out by the public school system that writes articles such as this hoping to get a reaction out of homeschoolers.
I am not upset because my job is mostly over. My child is 10 and mostly set in his nature. He is almost old enough to start searching for what he wants to believe in. He is comfortable hanging out with Spanish/English speaking legal/illegal people of all ages as well as religious zealots of all types including know it all liberals and conservative atheists. My family has to do without some things with one income, so he is not spoiled by presents or toys that two income families shower upon their children in lieu of human interaction.
As we don't report our activities to the authorities as required in one of the worst states to homeschool, this necessitates living in areas that are less desirable to the suburban groupthink writers who hang out in suurban cul-de-sacs. In some neighborhoods, people learn to not ask too many questions
As a result, my child has met and played with more black and brown children than the author has likely met as peers in his lifetime so far (he-he).
If I was to really take the writer seriously, the question I would ask humorously would be, Whose children will be better prepared for big br0ther and the attendent collapse in living standards? Those who will sell their family's souls to keep their declining middle class lives or those who are poor in lifestyle but rich in family?
When the suburban enclaves decline to third worldism as they might put it and all sorts of riff raff such as us move in or if you flee to join us now, all I can say is welcome to the neighborhood.
89 posted on 05/11/2004 9:45:55 AM PDT by rector seal ("I think I'll get into the family business" Santa's son from movie The Santa Clause)
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To: RightWingAtheist
I like your stomach content graphic. A lot more subtle than the usual spew photographs that are sometimes posted.
90 posted on 05/11/2004 9:47:06 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: norraad
Cro-Magnon coffee...

Hehe. Cro-Mag Coffee. Sounds like a real heart starter.

91 posted on 05/11/2004 9:47:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (`,,`,,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,,`,,`)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
somehow I don't picture your basic Ballantyne babe risking breaking a nail on a chalkboard in the bonus room, or skipping a tennis set for an educational excursion to the sewage plant.

Well, we see what type of mother she hangs around with.
Should we be surprised?

92 posted on 05/11/2004 9:49:25 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Tax-chick
And can you say it three-times-quickly? How about after a couple of drinks :-).

I'll have to try that - the couple of drinks part, that is!:-D

I believe the law is the same in GA - just take the test and keep the results (plus submitting attendance reports so the gubmint skool gits their tax subsidy money).

My wife and I have 2 in home school, with the four year old standing in the doorway.

93 posted on 05/11/2004 9:50:01 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: Rebelbase
Teachers in the public school system are required to have certification and college degrees, yet any yahoo can force their kids to stay home as long as they pass an annual test. ++++++ As opposed to Public Schools which simply pay the teachers and pass the children along whether they can pass a test or not. Then, as to the specific charge of Homeschooling creating Evil Radicals, consider the products of wonderful drug infested Public Schools. Anyone know of any planned or actual mass murders involving homeschooled students? The article is simply biased nonsense written by someone too lazy to do anything other than parrot disinformation.
94 posted on 05/11/2004 9:50:09 AM PDT by aaCharley
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; TexasCowboy; No more Demofascists
Gee I had no idea I was a Stepford Wife with no social skills and glazed eyes - Now I know I have to wear mammy-made dresses and let my hair grow into a braid - I guess makeup is out too - my religious beliefs must become fanatical and extreme and I need to prepare for my son to plan for prison life due to his attempt to kill me.......

And all this time I thought I was helping him through a difficult time in his life........ I'm so stupid.....

(Disclaimer: This was typed by my son because I can barely read - I don't have a teaching certificate or a Union card therefore I must not be capable of reading or writing)

95 posted on 05/11/2004 9:50:58 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Caipirabob
Doesn't ELF farm their members froms the public school? I would say more, but I would probably get into trouble. Hopefully, my point is made.
96 posted on 05/11/2004 9:51:18 AM PDT by Liberatio (Please forgive my misspelling)
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To: mvpel
As per your statements:

When my brother and I were in Middle School(6-8th. grades), my brother was being picked on daily my a bully in his class. I told hem to fight back but he did not want to get in trouble.

One day while standing in line for lunch, this bully who weighed about the same as myself comes by and starts poking his finger in my face telling me he's going to "whup" my brother when he sees him.

I grabbed his finger and bent it back to his wrist and put him down on his knees while telling him not to ever poke his finger in my face again or I would brake his finger off and shove it down his face. I also told him if he ever bothered my younger brother again he would hear from me again!
He never bothered my brother again and would always give me a wide berth when he saw me coming. By the way I was not that intimidating at that age (5'6")and was considered to be very easy going. It was just that I stood up to him while others would knuckle under and take it. I guess it was the Irish in me(wink).
My teacher who saw and heard everything that went on, came over and congratulated me for standing up to this bully. He then took him to the Principles office for discipline. He was a rare Teacher who was a Conservative and a patriot. Most of the female teachers just looked the other way so that they would not have to deal with the problem.
97 posted on 05/11/2004 9:51:29 AM PDT by Southron Patriot (Deo Vindice)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Well, the author of this article has painted us all with rather a broad stoke,don't you think? Let me point out a few of her errors:

It's 1 (ONE) braid, preferably French.

Long skirts? Ha ha, they're denim, and as short as practicable.

Public school teachers are certified to teach either by grade (elem) or subject. How many teachers do you know who are able to teach American Govt., American Lit., American History, Algebra 1, Grammar and home ec (this year's classes)? I'm talking about teaching those subjects every day. All of them. Oh, and at the high school level.

Just as at public school, not every homeschool fits the traditional pattern. Some homeschool because the high school doesn't care about the student, doesn't care that a senior reads at the 3rd grade level, doesn't care that the student flunked algebra 1, put em in Alg.2 anyway.

I wish the author lived by me. We could either open her eyes to the great flexibility of homeschooling, or we could do studies on whacky, nosey neighbors who have nothing better to do than write fiction disguised as fact.

Schooling, like shoes (and,hey, you didn't see her talking about shoes,did you? She probably wears Birkenstocks (I've never seen them, I hear libs wear them)) has many different styles. Not every student can bloom in the public schools. Thankfully, some parents are wise enough to know this, even without one of those fancy-schmancy degrees.

I could be offended at her article,but actually I find it kinda funny. How often do you see a publication that is willing to pay for its writers to display their ignorance?

And, remember ladies: It's one French braid, short skirts, men's shirts, Kerry sandals (as in flip-flop!) and a great tan. We really must dispel this myth of dowdy dressing overprotective mothers!

98 posted on 05/11/2004 9:51:42 AM PDT by blu
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To: 2Jedismom

Dear 2Jedismom,

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We now return to the regularly scheduled thread.


99 posted on 05/11/2004 9:51:49 AM PDT by mrustow
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Obviously this person is very ignorant of life outside of the public education system.
100 posted on 05/11/2004 9:52:09 AM PDT by Liberatio (Please forgive my misspelling)
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