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DIET FAD $TARVING US: FIRMS
NY Post ^ | May 16, 2004 | STEPHANIE O'BRIEN

Posted on 05/16/2004 5:50:18 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:21:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

May 16, 2004 -- Dr. Atkins' disciples are eating major food companies alive. The low-carb diet trend is turning the stomachs of the makers of traditional staples like bread and pasta, who are blaming their shrinking profits on shrinking waistlines.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atkins; atkinsdiet; bread; carbs; diets; food; lowcarb; lowcarbdiet; pasta; southbeach; southbeachdiet
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Wow...I didn't know the pasta company filed for bankruptcy.

Hey food companies: get with the program--low carb is where it's at.

1 posted on 05/16/2004 5:50:19 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

At least for now.


2 posted on 05/16/2004 5:52:37 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
At least for now.

LOL, that's a true statement.

3 posted on 05/16/2004 5:55:44 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Pharmboy
Wow...I didn't know the pasta company filed for bankruptcy.

Pasta Company? I thought it grew on trees. I read it on DU.

JOKING! I'm joking...really!

4 posted on 05/16/2004 5:56:55 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Pharmboy
Let's see - America's number one health "issue" is obesity.

The low-carb diet fights obesity, which is good.

However, American businesses are hurt by low sales because people who are fat are eating other foods. The sales in those foods, like eggs and meat, have soared, but we forgot to report that.

Therefore, these high-carb company bankruptcies are Bush's fault.

</sarcasm>

5 posted on 05/16/2004 5:59:52 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Bush '04 --- in a F'n landslide.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Nope--I think this is the real deal. As hunter gatherers (the way humans were for 99% of their time so far) it is difficult to get large amounts of carbs. In order to do that, agriculture has to happen, and then you have to grind the corn or wheat or barley so you can make concentrated delivery systems--like bread or pasta. Or, just eat a lot of rice. Our metabolic systems via our genes are set for this existence and not the super-size McDonald's type.

And from the metabolic point of view, carbs are the enemy as they do a lot of bad stuff--like increasing insulin secretion.

The low-fat craze for the past 20 years proved one thing: when you lower fat intake (which we did quite dramatically as a nation during this time) and increase carbs, you get fat.

6 posted on 05/16/2004 6:00:13 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: anniegetyourgun
At least for now.Exactly. The public and corporate America will come to a compromise. The manufactures will start producing stuff with less crap in it (paricularly that high-fructose corn syrup), let us sweeten and salt our own foods, realize that foods should be less processed, and we'll eat their products again.

The solution really isn't rocket science for them.

7 posted on 05/16/2004 6:03:22 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: grania

The problem is, they will need to re-tool and businesses hate to do that if they don't have to.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 6:08:02 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
I'm not surprised that these feedlots are hurting--but there's a flip side to success of lo-carb eating.

It's not cheap--good quality proteins and fresh green veggies are expensive.

I read of incidents at feedlots like "Ryan's" restaurants refusing to keep serving the roast beef to customers who want more protein than starch. Their profits depend on customers eating the desserts and potatoes and noodles, instead of the fish and chicken and roasts.

It's nice that places like Ruby Tuesday have wonderful offerings for locarbers--but they are significantly more expensive than the menu plates with carbs.

Perhaps there'll be more people eating at home...?

9 posted on 05/16/2004 6:08:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Not for a minute do I believe this "major eating habit trend" BS. Sales are only off by single digit numbers. Pasta carbs are still the best calories for anybody that exercises or has a manual labor job. Which includes 90% of the world population I would imagine.
10 posted on 05/16/2004 6:09:37 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: grania
The solution really isn't rocket science for them."

Rule # 1 in business survival....don't blame the customer....just give 'em what they want. Carbs are going the way of the beaver hat, the buggy whip, and the 8-track tape.

11 posted on 05/16/2004 6:15:44 AM PDT by Reo
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This'll probably turn around in 10 years or so when they find an increase in colo-rectal cancer and kidney disease in consumers of high protein. We don't work physically like hunter-gatherers did, and we probably don't quite utilize and assimilate the protein in quite the same way as they did.

And they ate quite a bit of fruit if it was available to them. The limiting of fruits is very counter intuitive to me. I refuse to believe that an orange, a banana and similarly glycemic indexed fruit, per day is bad for me.

I think 50% protein, 25% fat and 25% carbs is a healthy diet. Combine this w/exercise and your bound to be as healthy as your genetic fate allows.

High protein diets should have this disclaimer: 'Atkins and the boys, cures obseity and peristalsis all in one fell swoop.' And don't forget, they're trying to sell you something too.

12 posted on 05/16/2004 6:16:24 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: RGSpincich
Sorry to disagree, but I must. Huge carb intakes lead to obesity as well as a condition know as the Metabolic Syndrome. This is a combination of risk factors in obese people with the genetic predisposition. It consists of (mainly) abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, abnormal blood sugar readings (either diabetes or close to it) and abnormalities in blood lipids (cholesterol and triglycerides. Google it.
13 posted on 05/16/2004 6:18:17 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
Atkins is only the latest in a growing list of excuses for gluttony.

One or two years ago, the "reason" for obesity was that restaurant portions were too big.

"Why am I fat? The restaurant gave me too much food. Yeah, that's it!"

A few weeks ago, CBS's Sunday Morning was whining that clothing designers were making sizes larger than in the past. Not only that, but urban planners were specifically named as contributing to obesity by making the seats in public transportation larger than in the past.

Everything under the sun is to blame except the person who eats too much.

"The sun! That's it! If the sun didn't shine, then plants wouldn't grow. If plants didn't grow, then the cows wouldn't have food, and they would die. If there were no cows, then ..."
14 posted on 05/16/2004 6:28:46 AM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: Pharmboy
Well, let's see.

Whining because you missed out on the eating phase, and you didn't react fast enough to catch a lion's share of the market, and you aren't happy about it.

Get over it.

15 posted on 05/16/2004 6:46:09 AM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
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To: Pharmboy

Bottom line for me is that I'm not buying anymore lies about food.


16 posted on 05/16/2004 6:52:37 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pharmboy
Huge carb intakes lead to obesity

I would agree with that. And I will look into the other stuff.

I've experimented with various home style diets, carbs and no carbs, while running grueling mountain courses. Carbs kick in, for me, and the fatigue wall falls. I know, one guy experiments don't get published. LOL.

17 posted on 05/16/2004 6:56:27 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Pharmboy
the tribbles died of this type of diet years ago


18 posted on 05/16/2004 6:58:59 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: Pharmboy
How about a "moderation diet", including exercise.

I agree that Atkins will run its course. Those true believers will continue in their low-carb ways, and trend-lovers will try the next diet. I say - whatever works for you!

But, what I also know is that our kids are so confused they don't know what to eat. Why is my 9 year old's friend "On Atkins"? Maybe she is growing OUT before she grows UP? Are we creating a climate that will result in trial-and-error excitement for adults, but dangerous eating disorders for our teenagers? Let's face it, the low carb revolution is obnoxious and in our faces. I'm not overweight, but have often been asked if I "really want to eat all that bread." Low-carbs=evangalism.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 7:02:16 AM PDT by kdot
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To: Pharmboy

There obviously should be a mandatory daily intake of carbs set for the American public. How else are we going to protect the jobs of the carb workers that are being squeezed out by Atkins?


20 posted on 05/16/2004 7:06:42 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: Mamzelle
It's nice that places like Ruby Tuesday have wonderful offerings for locarbers--but they are significantly more expensive than the menu plates with carbs.

Went out with some friends yesterday to TGI Fridays. We split a spinach artichoke dip with veggies instead of chips. It was yummy. It was also two dollars more then the one with the chips. Reason? The veggies have a short shelf life, take more preparation and cost more to buy in the first place.

Same with other low carb options, potatoes last forever, you can buy them in bulk and serve them over a month if you like. Fresh broccoli? Maybe a week. Lower volume, higher price, more waste equals higher menu prices.

21 posted on 05/16/2004 7:09:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Agnes Heep

Wonder what the next fad will be and what business will b.tch about it..


22 posted on 05/16/2004 7:11:13 AM PDT by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: AlbionGirl

Nice straw man argument!

Who told you not to eat fruit on Atkins?

Eat all the carbs you want, except for one thing:

But when carbs start making you gain weight, you'll have to choose WHICH carbs to eat, unless you want to look like Michael Moore. If you want fruit, enjoy.

Your 'refusal to believe' is just a refusal to accept reality of your body chemistry.


23 posted on 05/16/2004 7:15:01 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Trust me - Troy is Crap)
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To: Enduring Freedom

increate = increase


25 posted on 05/16/2004 7:20:42 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Trust me - Troy is Crap)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I am taken aback on a regular basis at how much people eat out, and how much they take eating out for granted. A lot of retirement funds could be maxed just by cooking at home.

Since starting on locarb, my food bills have increased but not incredibly so. However, there are many stages of marking-up in the restaurant business, and costs that register as nominal to the home cook will be exponential to those dining out.

26 posted on 05/16/2004 7:21:32 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Enduring Freedom
No straw man here, but a little defensiveness on your part.

My 50-25-25 ratio has kept me at the same weight for 27 years. BP 102 over 68, resting pulse rate, 58, weight 120, height 5'3", and I'm near 50 years old, and with a tendency to gain weight easily.

As I understand Atkins bananas, oranjes and any other fruit which place high on the glycemic index should be quite limited, and I don't believe that to be sound, unless of course, you're a diabetic.

So you stay with your system and I'll stay w/mine. A fit body processes carbs much differently than a non-fit body. Any diet worth it's salt would begin first with the concept of physical fitness, and I don't see Atkins doing that.

27 posted on 05/16/2004 7:23:20 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Enduring Freedom
Now, any open-minded experimenter could grasp this simple concept, unless they have a hidden agenda. Right?

Hidden agenda? For dieting? Oh yeah, everybody else is as obsessed as you.

29 posted on 05/16/2004 7:28:55 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Pharmboy

The solution is to switch to low carb solutions. Obesity is the number one killer of Americans and we've been told over and over and over by the media that we are a nation of fatties. Therefore, if these companies are having a problems IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT :o)


31 posted on 05/16/2004 7:31:39 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: AlbionGirl
Local strawberries are starting to appear in my area. I eat them in big bowls with cream and half a tsp of Splenda. But no cake, and no fake sweetened cream. I eat a good bit of fruit, peaches and cherries and kiwis and cantaloupe. I make lots of fruit salads where I can have about half a banana at a time--my carbs on Maintenance are probably more restricted than many, about 40-60 grams a day.

What I can't have is fruit juice, but I just discovered a lighter version of Ruby Red which is delicious. I can only have a small serving of that, however.

I go through at least two heads of broccoli, a head of cauli, a cabbage, large frozen package of peas, bunch of celery, a quart jar of home-canned half-run green beans, two heads of lettuce, large package of grape tomatoes a week. This for four people.

When I get the craving for a mealy potato, I make two into a soup with frozen asparagus.

This business about locarb being a bacon-and-eggs desert is a canard promulgated by overweight dieticians.

32 posted on 05/16/2004 7:31:51 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Enduring Freedom
Either way, Republicans win.

Well, not entirely. The Fanjul family (sugar), Archer Daniels Midland (grain), and J.R. Simplot (potatoes) are all major Republican contributors and they are all getting hurt by the low-carb trend.

33 posted on 05/16/2004 7:32:38 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: RGSpincich; Pharmboy
I would have to agree with RG. If you are active (I play a lot of tennis) then you body needs the carbs for energy. Active people will burn the carbs, especially the complex carbs when you need them. If you are not using them then they turn to fat.

It's a question of paying attention to how much activity you are going to participate in and planning accordingly.

On the whole, though, far too many people eat like cows. Fill the trough and they eat till it's gone.

34 posted on 05/16/2004 7:33:41 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: Pharmboy

The difference between the various low carb diets and other diets more apt to be described as "fads" is how universal the results are. People who could never lose weight in other ways lose weight rapidly on some low-carb variant. Kenechi Udeze, the USC DE now Viking, lost 80 lbs by switching to a low-carb diet.

It just seems to work as long as you do it. Whereas other diets didn't seem to work or you had to exercise your butt off, in which case it could have been the working out, rather than dieting.


35 posted on 05/16/2004 7:36:38 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Pharmboy
Doughnut king Krispy Kreme predicts its earnings to be 10 percent lower than originally expected this year; the maker of baked goodies like Twinkies and Yodels says its sales are down 2.5 percent; and Florida orange-juice makers are fighting a 5 percent sales dive.

Little over a year ago, I was eagerly awaiting the arrival of Krispy Kreme stores to my area. I was salivating over the prospect of picking up a half dozen on a lazy Sunday morning and eating them all in my car as I read the paper.

But last April 1, I went on a low-carb diet (no April foolin') and lost over 100 pounds. Krispy Kreme has been in the area for a year now and I haven't been inside of one yet. And I go to Dunkin' Donuts for their coffee only. No Twinkies in over a year. No Yodels. Not even a glass of orange juice. I thought it would be tough giving that stuff up but after about two months, it was no longer a problem. Now a cup of yogurt is my dessert (tastes like soft-serve ice cream to me) and a handful of nuts satisfies any cravings for snacks that I might have.

36 posted on 05/16/2004 7:37:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: Mamzelle
I am taken aback on a regular basis at how much people eat out, and how much they take eating out for granted.

Me too. I go out an average of twice a month, brown bag it to work and cook from scratch. The amount of money I spend on food is a very small portion of my budget.

I have been lo-carbing for several years now and I found you can cut cost even further if you buy the veggies at a farmers market and they taste better too! Add in buying your meat in bulk and avoid processed foods, even the lo-carb ones and your food budget doesn't have to go up that much if any.

However, there are many stages of marking-up in the restaurant business, and costs that register as nominal to the home cook will be exponential to those dining out.

Preparation is the biggest part of your costs in restaurant food and lo-carb food often, requires more preparation and doesn't keep well.

But I am glad to see restaurants responding to the lo-carb demand. It makes dining out much less of a hassle for me.

37 posted on 05/16/2004 7:39:02 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Pharmboy

Boycotts do work. However, it seems that food, copulating, drinking (drugs) and sleeping are the only factors sufficient to motivate Americans.


38 posted on 05/16/2004 7:39:48 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: Enduring Freedom
Here's how Atkins works:

1. Eliminate carbs for a few weeks and watch the weight melt off your body.

2. Reintroduce carbs slowly, to determine how your body uniquely responds to them.

3. Adjust the level of carbs to achieve your desired RATE OF ON-GOING WEIGHT LOSS.

4. At your target weight, increate the level of carbs to maintain your desired body weight

I didn't buy the Atkins book, but did cut down on the carbs and lost 20 lbs in 2 months and maintained for another 2, eating moderate amounts of carbs(a baked potato once a week, an apple a day and such).

Recently went on what one could call a tortilla chip and salsa binge and gained 5 lbs.

It wasn't the salsa that caused the gain, but damn it was good. Happens about once a year.

39 posted on 05/16/2004 7:40:00 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Enduring Freedom

You nailed it! It has worked really well for me and my wife. I actually put the brakes on the elimination of carbs as I just wanted to fit nicely in my clothes and not change waist size. LOL! Noe I can tuck that shirt in and everything looks nice and neat! I lost easily 20 pounds over a few months. I love this way of eating. I take it easy on the carbs during the week but then 'pig out' on the week ends with no problem. And FAT is good, especially in the good cuts of meat.


40 posted on 05/16/2004 7:40:33 AM PDT by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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To: RGSpincich

High carb wouldn't be good for me under any circumstances because I would become a diabetic (runs in my family). Years ago, the governmnet foisted the pyramid food plan on us. It is interesting to note that dietitions and other experts of that day believed the pyramid to be dangerous to health and so it is. Even children get type II diabetes today. Also, many Americans have sedentary (office) jobs: no need to pile on carbs which become fat. Eating a high carb low fat diet caused me to be constantly hungry and gain 35 lbs in four years. I have now lost 25lbs of this weight low carbing. I have no sympathy for these food companies. It has been known for quite a while that corn syrup is very bad for you, but they continue to use it. By the way studies have now shown that low carb is healthier than high carb. You may not want to hear this, but pasta is not good for you. You were lied to.


41 posted on 05/16/2004 7:43:39 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Mamzelle
All I know is that my system works, and I'm sticking with it. I've had an interest in health and fitness since my early twenties, so my 50-25-25 ratio has been in place since then.

I never was really overweight, but I noticed that in my twenties I went from 115 to 125 over a 3 year period. I was eating the same, but I became less active because my life slowed down.

Anyway, I always had good eating habits, but as an Italian carbs represented a pretty good part of my diet, although Americans have a real problem w/portion control, eh? I remember going over to my Anglo friends houses for dinner, and being stunned by how much they ate. Portions in my house/family were always normal size.

For me it was less about what I ate than how fit I was. And that has been my philosopy ever since. I can't consume more than 2 or 3 oz. of protein at a time (it slows me down physically and mentally), and I usually balance that w/a starchy veg or bread and a fibrous veg.

I eat bananas, apples, grapes every day. I like strawberries, but they're never naturally good, I always have to doctor them up w/cream or something, so I don't eat them unless they're in season. I eat a ton of blueberries with my cereal every morning, I love them, and if ever there was a super food it's them.

42 posted on 05/16/2004 7:44:41 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: AlbionGirl
Any diet worth it's salt would begin first with the concept of physical fitness, and I don't see Atkins doing that.

You didn't read the book. Exercise is covered quite extensively.

43 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Pharmboy
Huge carb intakes lead to obesity as well as a condition know as the Metabolic Syndrome. This is a combination of risk factors in obese people with the genetic predisposition. It consists of (mainly) abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, abnormal blood sugar readings (either diabetes or close to it) and abnormalities in blood lipids (cholesterol and triglycerides.

I totally agree. Here is a picture of me from summer of 2002 when I weighed close to 300 pounds, had high blood pressure, was tired (and hungry) all the time and was a borderline diabetic. And this was during a time when I tried eating "right" (lots of corn, rice, bread, fruit, potatos, etc.) according to the "balanced diet" of the food pyramid.

And here I am after just six months of the low-carb diet when I slimmed down to 214 (I currently weigh 196). I'll just let the pictures speak for themselves. This "high-carb" food pyramid is killing many of us.


44 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: Mamzelle
In the Boston area (and I think in CT also) there is Cafe Belo, a Brazilian chain, where you buy food from a buffet and meat from the spit at a per-pound cost. It's very reasonably priced, fresh, and a good way to emphasize meat and veggies. It actually has a decent Zagat's rating.

We eat there at least once a week...it's actually less expensive than getting that variety at home.

45 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:18 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I don't believe that Atkins places first importance on fitness. Point me to the sections in his book where you can confirm my error, and I'll be glad to concede your point. Atkins covers physical fitness and the primary importance of it in a cursory way, IMO.


46 posted on 05/16/2004 7:48:52 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Mamzelle
I am taken aback on a regular basis at how much people eat out, and how much they take eating out for granted. A lot of retirement funds could be maxed just by cooking at home.

Agree with you there. Although my grocery bill spiked when I went low-carb (natural foods are much more expensive than processed foods), eating less at restaurants has more than offset the higher cost of groceries. I now prefer to eat at home because I control the ingredients. Restaurants tend to add a lot of "extra" ingredients to their dishes that really pile up the calories and fat. For example, the steak dinner I make at home might have 750 calories but in a restaurant, it could add up to 2,000 calories easy.

I recently took my family to the Outback and the bill came to $120 (with tip) for the four of us. That's nearly five days worth of groceries in one shot!

47 posted on 05/16/2004 7:52:32 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: Pharmboy

Sorry - I'm not buying it.

I'm not disparaging any particular diet or any person who is on a diet, I am one of those fortunate people who has never had to diet and most likely never will.


The vast majority of the products listed here are highly processed which (supposedly) makes them nore expensive. More people are choosing less processed foods for a variety of reasons, including cost, not just the latest diet trend.

I personally have added to the profit losses of these companies because I long ago stopped buying as much prepared food, not to say I don't at all, but most of the stuff is outrageously expensive and tastes nothing like home made.

So, IMHO these companies have brought this upon themselves with over priced over processed products and are just looking for a scapegoat.......the current trend of low carb dieters are it. They need to blame something other than their own selves in order to appease the stockholders.


48 posted on 05/16/2004 7:53:35 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: AlbionGirl
Atkins covers physical fitness and the primary importance of it in a cursory way, IMO

Let us be clear on what you are saying, by fitness you mean exercise as part of a balanced life style correct?

Try Chapter Six in Atkins for Life. He talks about the importance of aerobic and anaerobic exercise.

Like I said, you have obviously not read the books.

49 posted on 05/16/2004 7:57:37 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: SamAdams76

Good job SAM! Hey, lets grill some steaks today with some nice FAT still on them, some green veggies, etc! Way to go! And for some CARBS, a nice glass of RED WINE!


50 posted on 05/16/2004 7:58:01 AM PDT by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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