Skip to comments.DIET FAD $TARVING US: FIRMS
Posted on 05/16/2004 5:50:18 AM PDT by PharmboyEdited on 05/26/2004 5:21:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
May 16, 2004 -- Dr. Atkins' disciples are eating major food companies alive. The low-carb diet trend is turning the stomachs of the makers of traditional staples like bread and pasta, who are blaming their shrinking profits on shrinking waistlines.
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This started out as an economy related thread. I said that those who excercised alot or had manual labor jobs got the most out of pasta carbs. Therefore, the worldwide pasta industry should not suffer much because of our diet fads. I took into account the relative affordability of pasta carbs and the physical energy benefit per dollar/pound/peso/whatever. I stand behind that.
If you have medical problems of course the equation changes and you are the exception. As far as me getting lied to, I didn't depend on anybody else and my personal results are truer than anything you can recite.
Let me make it clear, fitness 100% and diet 100%. Fitness in the sense of something more than a 20 minute walk. Fitness in exercising 6 days/wk no more than 45 minutes to an hour, a combination of moderate aerobic exercise and weight lifting, done on opposite days. That's what I mean by physical fitness.
The problem now is all the low carb junk foods. I get the worst gas from malitol that I wish I could get away from myself. But people are going to try to have their cake and eat it too, and then their efforts will stall because calories still count.
I tried the Atkins diet but it definately doesn't work for me. Right now I'm leaning towards the raw food diet. I'm convinced that there IS a conspiracy against Atkins because it's a meat diet. I single out Atkins because after his death he was the target of PETA,etc.
Is there a Mrs.SamAdams????? WOW! :D
Your 50-25-25 diet seems fairly low carb to me, at least compared to what I think lots of Americans eat.
25% carbs isn't so very much, IMO.
OTOH, I think ancient men did probably not eat too much fruit, as it is mostly seasonal in temperate and cooler climates.
However, whenever I avoid sugary products for a couple days, like ice cream and soda, I greatly increase my intake of fruit and still lose weight.
Net carb candy bars,etc. There's nothing low carb about them. They're a bit lower in carb because they cut out some of the sugar and also they're smaller. I tasted a few and they're good... good and EXPENSIVE.
Yes there is and she is on my low-carb plan also! (Though I prefer to call it a "normal-carb" plan.) She's lost 30 pounds since last September and if I can convince her to go on my morning walks with me (I walk four miles every morning at 5AM), she'll lose the rest even faster. Thanks for the comment!
Also wild fruit is very different from the fruit we have today. It was smaller, had more fiber and a lot less sugar.
Ever had a wild orange? Your mouth is stuck in a pucker for about three days.
"I don't believe that Atkins places first importance on fitness."
First I want to say that at 57 and being an ex-marathon runner I can no longer excerise as I once could and only diet can control my weight. I ran 30 miles per week for years and now have no knees left and back problems that prohibit most aerobic activities.
So I find that even a bowl of oatmeal in the morning causes my weight to increase. And magically eating eggs each morning no weight gain -- I have a cholestrol of 107/67 -- so that ain't bad and not what my family doctor would predict given my high fat diet.
Comment one: Media says, "Aiiiieeee, it's a disaster, all Americans are fat and none will diet!!!"
(Later that same planet)
Same media says, "Aiiiieeee, it's a disaster, all Americans are doing Atkins and high-carb companies are going bankrupt!!!"
Comment two: the explanation for this would be the maxim, "If it bleeds, it leads." If that is true, why didn't the appalling Berg murder displace the embarrassment and wretched mistreatment of a few enemy prisoners by a few worthless American soldiers?
Again I find myself asking myself, "Is it a sin for a Christian to hate the media?" Because... it's danged hard not to. They are beneath contempt.
One chapter does not primary importance make, it's cursory. I really don't have anything against Atkins, or his diet. A decent amount of protein is necessary. I just see that as a doctor he should have been as dedicated to the aspect of physical fitness as he was diet. But he was trying to sell his products, he's no different than the bread seller in that regard.
Just to my revise my remarks in the above because the word binge has certain connotations.
What I meant as "binge", was snacking on a half bag of tortilla chips, that were marked down by 50% and eating them with nicely refridgerated salsa for 3 days in a row.
The article says, "shrinking waistlines." I was out and about yesterday and I've seen little evidence of that.
That's just the diet book. However, he had a very popular radio show here in New York where he did talk about exercise a lot (esp. walking). You know what? A lot of people are LAZY and that's diets that tell people they don't have to exercise sell a lot. I think Atkins developed a reputation for a no-exercise diet thanks to some adherents but not necessaerily to Atkins.
Indeed, diet fads are cyclical (although this low carb business has been elevated to the status of near religion). And yet, Amercia gets fatter and fatter. Go figure.
Sorry to hear about the weight gain.........but I just found your definition of "binge" amusing. I would consider your "binge" more of a "splurge"!!!!!
I hope you mixed in some sour cream with the salsa, sticks to the chip better. I'm going running...
A big part of my success doing low-carb has been the elimination of nearly all processed foods. All that nasty high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils (trans-fats), etc., was doing me no good at all. Since keeping my foods simple and as natural as possible, I feel so much better physically and mentally that losing the weight ended up being only a minor side-effect.
In fact, I recently received a promotion at work and there is no doubt in my mind that my lifestyle change brought it about. I come to work with so much energy now and I project such a positive attitude that doors are opening up to me that were closed before.
Just go read the book will you? Then I will argue with you.
If I remember right, though, the guy who's buffet experience made the news was on something like his 12th serving, and he had eaten enough that management was afraid there wouldn't be enough for everyone else.
Lots of Atkins followers seem to forget that the plan does not encourage you to gorge yourself.
Tortilla chips was one of my favorite snack foods before my lifestyle change. I'd eat them by the bag and when I went to Mexican restaurants, I'd ask for a second bowl to have with my meal. I too have noticed that when I try to work them back into my diet, I'll quickly gain back a pound or two. Even though the only chips I'll eat are the ones with all-natural ingredients. So even now, I have to watch myself with them.
Tony Snow had the guy from Supersize Me on about his experience of gaining twenty five pounds in a month from eating only McDonald's *LOL* I wonder if he only ate the meat what would have happened.
Ideally what you should do (the rhetorical you, that is) is about 15 to 20 minutes of strength training, and 30 to 45 minutes of Moderate aerobics, six days, even 5 would do, a week. Moderate because high-end aerobics have a tendency to break down muscle mass, that's why marathon runners look the way they do.
Fitness first, diet second works for me. I have to say though, that I never eat desserts unless someone's having a birthday or there is a celebration. Fruit, cheese and nuts is what I end my lunch and dinner with, and after I've put in the kind of work I do for my body, I'm not about to pollute it with store bought cookies or cakes or ice-cream, splenda or no splenda.
I used to eat wild strawberries as a kid...they grew in the outfield, which was the position I always got assigned. I may not have paid too much attention to the game.
I have noticed that "feral" citrus fruit seems to lose much of its sweetness, citrus trees that have been abandoned and are just growing wild in the jungle. It's not nearly so sweet as the stuff we farm.
Once, years ago, on a Boy Scout hike in the Blue Ridge Mountains, we came upon a wild apple tree that was bearing fruit. Those apples were really sour...but wonderful. I have always wished since for an apple that tasted like that, but never found one in a store.
Man, that's great. I have not lost as much but I have lost about 40 and I feel better than ever. Eating better than ever, too. The food pyramid is as deadly to the people of this country as nicotine. The dietary advice of the federal govt is literally killing us. The sheeple need to awaken before they die of heart attacks or diabetes b/c that is where most are headed.
Being slim is great, but if you eat many processed carbs (pasta is made from white flour) you can still get diabetes. This is a metabolic process. Also, carbs have been known (not known how) to play a role in inflamation. I can tell you my arthritic knee has improved greatly while low carbing. I have a couple of very thin friends who have attested to the same results. It is not just a matter of losing weight. I play tennis in Atlanta-very warm. We play three sets. Although, if the game is close we can play alot more. I eat protein and vegetables (green) before a match. I also eat berries. I have plenty of energy and always complete my matches. I eat low carb, high fiber bread. I eat pasta sometimes (like it), but I eat a high fiber version (low carb)-new quite delicious. It comes in a black box. I can't think of the name. I eat high fiber low processed grain (small amounts), fresh fruit and vegetable and meat. I feel great and my cholesterol is now 160-down over 20 points from high carb, low fat days. Everyone is different and responds to food in a unique way, but certain foods-white sugar, white flour, white rice etc- are bad for you whether you gain weight or not because they has little/no nutritional value.
I read his book 2 years ago, and I don't remember him placing primary importance on physical fitness, he gave it a cursory review, and as a Doctor I found that to be a shirking of his responsibility.
He died from head trauma slipping on ice. That CV stuff has been debunked and he was also EIGHTY years old. We can hope to only have a bit of plaque at 80 instead of taking a dirt nap. Step away from the PETA front group press releases.
Congrats on your promotion......and I would expect you are probably correct in your assessment about it.
My husband spent nearly 30 years in construction and was always trim and fit, but swinging a hammer and pounding up and down ladders for that many years finally took it's toll and he now has a jacket and tie job that is not quite as physically demanding. Yet he still remains trim and fit.
I think much of that is because of a minimum of processed foods in our diet, and lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. Yes we eat lots of meats and fish and carbs, but do balance them all out.
Perhaps not, but you most definitely have a problem with admitting when your reach has overcome your grasp. Is it that costly for you to admit making an assumption that was invalid?
It's a diet book, not an exercise book. But it seems obvious you're not going to concede the point with anything approaching polite correction.
I don't know of any diet book that places fitness first, otherwise it would be an exercise book not a diet book :) I'm not a doctor but I play one in a health food store btw hehehehe and all I meet are lazy people. They don't want to eat less and exercise.
It all started when they closed TipTop Baking Co. (smile)
The premise behind the movie "Supersize Me" is so silly that I can't believe anybody would waste their money seeing it. Based on your menu choices you could gain or lose weight at any chain restaurant.
Since going on this low-carb lifestyle, I have found the salads at the fast-food chains quite acceptable. Especially the salads at Wendy's. Only I don't order them with any dressing. I keep a bottle of olive oil in the glove compartment of my car when I am on the road so that I can use that instead. For some reason, the fast food places do not offer olive oil as a substitute for dressing which is a shame because olive oil is so good for you.
He wasn't some regular schmuck just doing a diet book, he was a Doctor, for crying out loud, that changes the equation a little bit, IMO.
But here you go, I was wrong you're right, it was a diet book, end of story.
Thanks for the link. I don't know of anyone who eats McDonald's like that other guy.
Big Bucks is the hidden agenda of everything.
I could not live with - out Carbs. lots of them, and I'm as healthy as they come. not too fat and not too skinny.
just too old (smile)
Along with the "nutrtional experts" who are desperately trying to convince the public their training is still relevant.
I don't. Rural Asians are physically active and do more walking in a day than the average American does in a week (and in flip-flops or barefoot). Now in the urban areas of China, Japan, and elsewhere, obesity is becoming a major concern. Especially since packaged, processed foods are beginng to show up in supermarkets even there.
The salads at Wendy's are delicious. I don't have a weight problem, so I eat the whole package, but they do make a great meal at work.
Thos pictures are amazing. Congratulations to you and the Mrs. for taking such good care of yourselves. You cannot imagine the pain and disability you are saving yourself from.
"Ideally what you should do (the rhetorical you, that is) is about 15 to 20 minutes of strength training, and 30 to 45 minutes of Moderate aerobics, six days, even 5 would do, a week. "
I can't even walk anymore and I have a dog that is getting fatter but your regieme is not for me I only have one tool left and that is diet.
Any carb cause me to crave more carbs.
Exactly. For his next film, he should enroll in useless classes in a dozen ivy league schools, and demonstrate how he comes out an even bigger dumbass than when he started. He could call it "Stupid-Size Me."
I'd watch Supersize Me if it were just a show on TV. No way I'd pay money. I saw the guy on Tony Snow and he's WEIRD. Sounds like a doper baby to me too *lol*
Atkins is definately for you then, and I know people who do low carb using chicken and fish and cheeses without the beef,etc.