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DIET FAD $TARVING US: FIRMS
NY Post ^ | May 16, 2004 | STEPHANIE O'BRIEN

Posted on 05/16/2004 5:50:18 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:21:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

May 16, 2004 -- Dr. Atkins' disciples are eating major food companies alive. The low-carb diet trend is turning the stomachs of the makers of traditional staples like bread and pasta, who are blaming their shrinking profits on shrinking waistlines.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atkins; atkinsdiet; bread; carbs; diets; food; lowcarb; lowcarbdiet; pasta; southbeach; southbeachdiet
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To: nyconse
You were lied to.

This started out as an economy related thread. I said that those who excercised alot or had manual labor jobs got the most out of pasta carbs. Therefore, the worldwide pasta industry should not suffer much because of our diet fads. I took into account the relative affordability of pasta carbs and the physical energy benefit per dollar/pound/peso/whatever. I stand behind that.

If you have medical problems of course the equation changes and you are the exception. As far as me getting lied to, I didn't depend on anybody else and my personal results are truer than anything you can recite.

51 posted on 05/16/2004 8:01:02 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Let me make it clear, fitness 100% and diet 100%. Fitness in the sense of something more than a 20 minute walk. Fitness in exercising 6 days/wk no more than 45 minutes to an hour, a combination of moderate aerobic exercise and weight lifting, done on opposite days. That's what I mean by physical fitness.


52 posted on 05/16/2004 8:05:43 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Pharmboy

The problem now is all the low carb junk foods. I get the worst gas from malitol that I wish I could get away from myself. But people are going to try to have their cake and eat it too, and then their efforts will stall because calories still count.


53 posted on 05/16/2004 8:05:50 AM PDT by MsGail61
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To: Enduring Freedom

I tried the Atkins diet but it definately doesn't work for me. Right now I'm leaning towards the raw food diet. I'm convinced that there IS a conspiracy against Atkins because it's a meat diet. I single out Atkins because after his death he was the target of PETA,etc.


54 posted on 05/16/2004 8:06:35 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: SamAdams76

Is there a Mrs.SamAdams????? WOW! :D


55 posted on 05/16/2004 8:07:29 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: SamAdams76

Very impressive.


56 posted on 05/16/2004 8:07:37 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: AlbionGirl

Your 50-25-25 diet seems fairly low carb to me, at least compared to what I think lots of Americans eat.

25% carbs isn't so very much, IMO.

OTOH, I think ancient men did probably not eat too much fruit, as it is mostly seasonal in temperate and cooler climates.

However, whenever I avoid sugary products for a couple days, like ice cream and soda, I greatly increase my intake of fruit and still lose weight.


57 posted on 05/16/2004 8:07:39 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: JimFreedom
I plan to do exactly that this afternoon. Got some porterhouse steaks in the refrigerator for the grill and will sautee some mushrooms and onions to go with them. Add some summer squash, jalapeno peppers and a tossed salad with sunflower seeds, bacon bits and olive oil. Maybe I'll take your suggestion and open a bottle of red wine. Who says you can't get plenty of veggies doing low-carb? As for fruit, I had a cup of blueberries this morning at breakfast with my eggs and yogurt. Lunch will be a hunk of cheese and sausage with a few strawberries. Now if only it would stop raining so I can go for my walk.
58 posted on 05/16/2004 8:07:53 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: AlbionGirl
Gee, you sound just like the book. :)
59 posted on 05/16/2004 8:08:13 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: MsGail61

Net carb candy bars,etc. There's nothing low carb about them. They're a bit lower in carb because they cut out some of the sugar and also they're smaller. I tasted a few and they're good... good and EXPENSIVE.


60 posted on 05/16/2004 8:09:03 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg

Yes there is and she is on my low-carb plan also! (Though I prefer to call it a "normal-carb" plan.) She's lost 30 pounds since last September and if I can convince her to go on my morning walks with me (I walk four miles every morning at 5AM), she'll lose the rest even faster. Thanks for the comment!


61 posted on 05/16/2004 8:10:43 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: Sam Cree
OTOH, I think ancient men did probably not eat too much fruit, as it is mostly seasonal in temperate and cooler climates.

Also wild fruit is very different from the fruit we have today. It was smaller, had more fiber and a lot less sugar.

Ever had a wild orange? Your mouth is stuck in a pucker for about three days.

62 posted on 05/16/2004 8:12:12 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: AlbionGirl

"I don't believe that Atkins places first importance on fitness."

First I want to say that at 57 and being an ex-marathon runner I can no longer excerise as I once could and only diet can control my weight. I ran 30 miles per week for years and now have no knees left and back problems that prohibit most aerobic activities.

So I find that even a bowl of oatmeal in the morning causes my weight to increase. And magically eating eggs each morning no weight gain -- I have a cholestrol of 107/67 -- so that ain't bad and not what my family doctor would predict given my high fat diet.


63 posted on 05/16/2004 8:12:39 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (You are what you eat.)
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To: Pharmboy; SamAdams76; Deb

Two comments:

Comment one: Media says, "Aiiiieeee, it's a disaster, all Americans are fat and none will diet!!!"

(Later that same planet)

Same media says, "Aiiiieeee, it's a disaster, all Americans are doing Atkins and high-carb companies are going bankrupt!!!"

Comment two: the explanation for this would be the maxim, "If it bleeds, it leads." If that is true, why didn't the appalling Berg murder displace the embarrassment and wretched mistreatment of a few enemy prisoners by a few worthless American soldiers?

Again I find myself asking myself, "Is it a sin for a Christian to hate the media?" Because... it's danged hard not to. They are beneath contempt.

Dan


64 posted on 05/16/2004 8:13:55 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

One chapter does not primary importance make, it's cursory. I really don't have anything against Atkins, or his diet. A decent amount of protein is necessary. I just see that as a doctor he should have been as dedicated to the aspect of physical fitness as he was diet. But he was trying to sell his products, he's no different than the bread seller in that regard.


65 posted on 05/16/2004 8:14:00 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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Recently went on what one could call a tortilla chip and salsa binge and gained 5 lbs

Just to my revise my remarks in the above because the word binge has certain connotations.

What I meant as "binge", was snacking on a half bag of tortilla chips, that were marked down by 50% and eating them with nicely refridgerated salsa for 3 days in a row.

66 posted on 05/16/2004 8:14:15 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Pharmboy

The article says, "shrinking waistlines." I was out and about yesterday and I've seen little evidence of that.


67 posted on 05/16/2004 8:14:39 AM PDT by corlorde (Without the home of the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: SamAdams76
Very impressive before and after pictures. A motivating thing to see. Good for you.
68 posted on 05/16/2004 8:16:57 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: AlbionGirl

That's just the diet book. However, he had a very popular radio show here in New York where he did talk about exercise a lot (esp. walking). You know what? A lot of people are LAZY and that's diets that tell people they don't have to exercise sell a lot. I think Atkins developed a reputation for a no-exercise diet thanks to some adherents but not necessaerily to Atkins.


69 posted on 05/16/2004 8:17:55 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: anniegetyourgun
At least for now.

Indeed, diet fads are cyclical (although this low carb business has been elevated to the status of near religion). And yet, Amercia gets fatter and fatter. Go figure.

70 posted on 05/16/2004 8:17:58 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Dane

LOL!!!!!!

Sorry to hear about the weight gain.........but I just found your definition of "binge" amusing. I would consider your "binge" more of a "splurge"!!!!!


71 posted on 05/16/2004 8:18:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: Dane
nicely refridgerated salsa for 3 days in a row.

I hope you mixed in some sour cream with the salsa, sticks to the chip better. I'm going running...

72 posted on 05/16/2004 8:19:22 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: MsGail61
I totally agree with you on the low carb junk foods. All those overpriced "low carb" candy bars that are in the stores these days are junk. Just read the ingredients...they read like an MIT chemistry experiment.

A big part of my success doing low-carb has been the elimination of nearly all processed foods. All that nasty high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils (trans-fats), etc., was doing me no good at all. Since keeping my foods simple and as natural as possible, I feel so much better physically and mentally that losing the weight ended up being only a minor side-effect.

In fact, I recently received a promotion at work and there is no doubt in my mind that my lifestyle change brought it about. I come to work with so much energy now and I project such a positive attitude that doors are opening up to me that were closed before.

73 posted on 05/16/2004 8:19:23 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: AlbionGirl
One chapter does not primary importance make, it's cursory.

Just go read the book will you? Then I will argue with you.

74 posted on 05/16/2004 8:19:56 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Mamzelle

If I remember right, though, the guy who's buffet experience made the news was on something like his 12th serving, and he had eaten enough that management was afraid there wouldn't be enough for everyone else.

Lots of Atkins followers seem to forget that the plan does not encourage you to gorge yourself.


75 posted on 05/16/2004 8:22:45 AM PDT by sharktrager (Insanity: To continue repeating the same act, each time expecting a different result.)
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To: Dane

Tortilla chips was one of my favorite snack foods before my lifestyle change. I'd eat them by the bag and when I went to Mexican restaurants, I'd ask for a second bowl to have with my meal. I too have noticed that when I try to work them back into my diet, I'll quickly gain back a pound or two. Even though the only chips I'll eat are the ones with all-natural ingredients. So even now, I have to watch myself with them.


76 posted on 05/16/2004 8:23:18 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: SamAdams76

Tony Snow had the guy from Supersize Me on about his experience of gaining twenty five pounds in a month from eating only McDonald's *LOL* I wonder if he only ate the meat what would have happened.


77 posted on 05/16/2004 8:24:46 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
I love eggs too and eat them regularly. I was never a marathon runner, but I was a dancer and while aerobics is definitely good for a strong heart and strong lungs, holding on to your muscle mass is what will help you avoid weight creep, as muscles stoke the glycogen stores fire.

Ideally what you should do (the rhetorical you, that is) is about 15 to 20 minutes of strength training, and 30 to 45 minutes of Moderate aerobics, six days, even 5 would do, a week. Moderate because high-end aerobics have a tendency to break down muscle mass, that's why marathon runners look the way they do.

Fitness first, diet second works for me. I have to say though, that I never eat desserts unless someone's having a birthday or there is a celebration. Fruit, cheese and nuts is what I end my lunch and dinner with, and after I've put in the kind of work I do for my body, I'm not about to pollute it with store bought cookies or cakes or ice-cream, splenda or no splenda.

78 posted on 05/16/2004 8:25:10 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I used to eat wild strawberries as a kid...they grew in the outfield, which was the position I always got assigned. I may not have paid too much attention to the game.

I have noticed that "feral" citrus fruit seems to lose much of its sweetness, citrus trees that have been abandoned and are just growing wild in the jungle. It's not nearly so sweet as the stuff we farm.

Once, years ago, on a Boy Scout hike in the Blue Ridge Mountains, we came upon a wild apple tree that was bearing fruit. Those apples were really sour...but wonderful. I have always wished since for an apple that tasted like that, but never found one in a store.


79 posted on 05/16/2004 8:25:19 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: SamAdams76

Man, that's great. I have not lost as much but I have lost about 40 and I feel better than ever. Eating better than ever, too. The food pyramid is as deadly to the people of this country as nicotine. The dietary advice of the federal govt is literally killing us. The sheeple need to awaken before they die of heart attacks or diabetes b/c that is where most are headed.


80 posted on 05/16/2004 8:25:30 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: Gabz
Now, any open-minded experimenter could grasp this simple concept, unless they have a hidden agenda. Right? Hidden Agenda EQUALS BIG bucks in diet books and specialty foods.. Wonder why those darn rural Asians are so thin with all those carbs. LOL. I eat carbs all day, every day, its truly my main stay and lets see... 98 Pounds, 5'3" AFTER 4 kids... Patients in my office have been on the Atkins diet when it originally hit the bookshelves... they are now seeing the deterimental effects.. Including some rebound effects on Cholesterol, one of the unfortunates watched her hubby of twenty years eat a strictly Atkins diet, he almost bought the farm on his last heart attack. I did retain 20 pounds after number three, then was struck with the realization that i had as much food on my plate as my Hub. Shocking revalation, but i still have High School jeans i can zip without laying down or using pliers.... I just dislike the misinformation and the desperation of overwieght people, which leaves them open to the next miracle cure, magic pill, dangerous supplement, and anything else proported as "weight loss, without effort". Someday, the truth will come out, again, about this dangerous diet. Meanwhile, Mrs Atkins is mad cuz the truth is, her hub died of obesity related CV disease... Thank goodness she put out a statement of denial so her big bucks continue to roll in I am not unsympathetic to those with weight issues. My hub is one of them, but truly it's a result of far too many calories, a desk job, and no exercise. Thankfully, he knows without a doubt i adore him exactly as he is.. I cannot stand thin men, looks unhealthy. Good luck to everyone out there dieting! I truly hope u make peace with God about his love for you regardless of shape, color or liberalism. Just be sure to get careful and frequent health checkups with this diet.
81 posted on 05/16/2004 8:26:25 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be.)
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To: RGSpincich

Being slim is great, but if you eat many processed carbs (pasta is made from white flour) you can still get diabetes. This is a metabolic process. Also, carbs have been known (not known how) to play a role in inflamation. I can tell you my arthritic knee has improved greatly while low carbing. I have a couple of very thin friends who have attested to the same results. It is not just a matter of losing weight. I play tennis in Atlanta-very warm. We play three sets. Although, if the game is close we can play alot more. I eat protein and vegetables (green) before a match. I also eat berries. I have plenty of energy and always complete my matches. I eat low carb, high fiber bread. I eat pasta sometimes (like it), but I eat a high fiber version (low carb)-new quite delicious. It comes in a black box. I can't think of the name. I eat high fiber low processed grain (small amounts), fresh fruit and vegetable and meat. I feel great and my cholesterol is now 160-down over 20 points from high carb, low fat days. Everyone is different and responds to food in a unique way, but certain foods-white sugar, white flour, white rice etc- are bad for you whether you gain weight or not because they has little/no nutritional value.


82 posted on 05/16/2004 8:27:51 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: cyborg

I read his book 2 years ago, and I don't remember him placing primary importance on physical fitness, he gave it a cursory review, and as a Doctor I found that to be a shirking of his responsibility.


83 posted on 05/16/2004 8:28:51 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: momincombatboots

He died from head trauma slipping on ice. That CV stuff has been debunked and he was also EIGHTY years old. We can hope to only have a bit of plaque at 80 instead of taking a dirt nap. Step away from the PETA front group press releases.


84 posted on 05/16/2004 8:30:56 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: SamAdams76

Congrats on your promotion......and I would expect you are probably correct in your assessment about it.


My husband spent nearly 30 years in construction and was always trim and fit, but swinging a hammer and pounding up and down ladders for that many years finally took it's toll and he now has a jacket and tie job that is not quite as physically demanding. Yet he still remains trim and fit.

I think much of that is because of a minimum of processed foods in our diet, and lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. Yes we eat lots of meats and fish and carbs, but do balance them all out.


85 posted on 05/16/2004 8:31:04 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: AlbionGirl
I really don't have anything against Atkins, or his diet.

Perhaps not, but you most definitely have a problem with admitting when your reach has overcome your grasp. Is it that costly for you to admit making an assumption that was invalid?

It's a diet book, not an exercise book. But it seems obvious you're not going to concede the point with anything approaching polite correction.

86 posted on 05/16/2004 8:31:13 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: AlbionGirl

I don't know of any diet book that places fitness first, otherwise it would be an exercise book not a diet book :) I'm not a doctor but I play one in a health food store btw hehehehe and all I meet are lazy people. They don't want to eat less and exercise.


87 posted on 05/16/2004 8:33:29 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Pharmboy

It all started when they closed TipTop Baking Co. (smile)


88 posted on 05/16/2004 8:35:08 AM PDT by Walnut
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To: cyborg
Actually there is somebody doing the same thing only he is losing weight. Instead of gorging on Big Macs and fries, this guy is eating things like chicken salads, scrambled eggs and yogurt parfaits.

The premise behind the movie "Supersize Me" is so silly that I can't believe anybody would waste their money seeing it. Based on your menu choices you could gain or lose weight at any chain restaurant.

Since going on this low-carb lifestyle, I have found the salads at the fast-food chains quite acceptable. Especially the salads at Wendy's. Only I don't order them with any dressing. I keep a bottle of olive oil in the glove compartment of my car when I am on the road so that I can use that instead. For some reason, the fast food places do not offer olive oil as a substitute for dressing which is a shame because olive oil is so good for you.

89 posted on 05/16/2004 8:35:52 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: papertyger
I never implied it was a fitness book, just that as a Doctor he seemed to me to be giving the importance of fitness secondary place. And as a Doctor, I didn't see how he could responsibly do that.

He wasn't some regular schmuck just doing a diet book, he was a Doctor, for crying out loud, that changes the equation a little bit, IMO.

But here you go, I was wrong you're right, it was a diet book, end of story.

90 posted on 05/16/2004 8:37:46 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: SamAdams76

Thanks for the link. I don't know of anyone who eats McDonald's like that other guy.


91 posted on 05/16/2004 8:37:52 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: momincombatboots
Hidden Agenda EQUALS BIG bucks in diet books and specialty foods..

Big Bucks is the hidden agenda of everything.

92 posted on 05/16/2004 8:38:17 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: Pharmboy

I could not live with - out Carbs. lots of them, and I'm as healthy as they come. not too fat and not too skinny.
just too old (smile)


93 posted on 05/16/2004 8:38:23 AM PDT by Walnut
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To: rebelyell
The dietary advice of the federal govt is literally killing us.

Along with the "nutrtional experts" who are desperately trying to convince the public their training is still relevant.

94 posted on 05/16/2004 8:41:22 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: momincombatboots
Wonder why those darn rural Asians are so thin with all those carbs.

I don't. Rural Asians are physically active and do more walking in a day than the average American does in a week (and in flip-flops or barefoot). Now in the urban areas of China, Japan, and elsewhere, obesity is becoming a major concern. Especially since packaged, processed foods are beginng to show up in supermarkets even there.

95 posted on 05/16/2004 8:41:45 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: SamAdams76

The salads at Wendy's are delicious. I don't have a weight problem, so I eat the whole package, but they do make a great meal at work.

Thos pictures are amazing. Congratulations to you and the Mrs. for taking such good care of yourselves. You cannot imagine the pain and disability you are saving yourself from.


96 posted on 05/16/2004 8:45:03 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: AlbionGirl

"Ideally what you should do (the rhetorical you, that is) is about 15 to 20 minutes of strength training, and 30 to 45 minutes of Moderate aerobics, six days, even 5 would do, a week. "

I can't even walk anymore and I have a dog that is getting fatter but your regieme is not for me I only have one tool left and that is diet.

Any carb cause me to crave more carbs.


97 posted on 05/16/2004 8:47:31 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (You are what you eat.)
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To: SamAdams76; cyborg
The premise behind the movie "Supersize Me" is so silly that I can't believe anybody would waste their money seeing it. Based on your menu choices you could gain or lose weight at any chain restaurant.

Exactly. For his next film, he should enroll in useless classes in a dozen ivy league schools, and demonstrate how he comes out an even bigger dumbass than when he started. He could call it "Stupid-Size Me."

98 posted on 05/16/2004 8:48:57 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

I'd watch Supersize Me if it were just a show on TV. No way I'd pay money. I saw the guy on Tony Snow and he's WEIRD. Sounds like a doper baby to me too *lol*


99 posted on 05/16/2004 8:50:54 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

Atkins is definately for you then, and I know people who do low carb using chicken and fish and cheeses without the beef,etc.


100 posted on 05/16/2004 8:51:52 AM PDT by cyborg
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