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Proof that at least one of two (evolution, ice age) key theories is false
official school material ^ | 04/05/21 | self

Posted on 05/21/2004 10:42:47 AM PDT by Truth666

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To: Truth666
Well I must admit that I have been convinced.

All my life, I have believed in Jesus, God and the Bible. I thought I understood what has been taught to me over the years and that it was factual information.

After listening to the Creationists and their extremely distorted views of physical reality, perhaps it is time that I re-evaluate what I was taught as a child.

When people must distort, twist and lie to justify their views of religion, something is very wrong!

Way to go Creationists, you have gone a long way in convincing me that the Bible is nothing but fiction. I know that was not your desire, but it is how you are presenting your arguments.

Trust but verify....

41 posted on 05/21/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: Shryke
Ok, so where did that giant, flattened cottonball in the picture come from?

Why, that's God's beard! He was just exiting the frame when the picture was snapped, having molded palm trees and coral out of the living clay.

42 posted on 05/21/2004 12:03:16 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Thoro
Estimating the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow

But what is the capital of Assyria?

43 posted on 05/21/2004 12:05:45 PM PDT by machman
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To: Truth666
http://www.wcmc.org.uk/protected_areas/data/wh/lordhowe.html

VEGETATION A wide variety of vegetation types has been described for the islands, with the diversity corresponding with the range of habitats, viz. lowland, montane, valleys, ridges and areas exposed to the maritime influence. Variable exposure to wind and penetration of salt spray appear to be the main determinants of vegetation occurrence, structure and floristics. Lord Howe Island is almost unique among small Pacific Ocean islands in that its mountains have sufficient altitude for the development of true cloud forest on their summits. These are 241 native species of vascular plants on the island, including 105 endemics (DEST/ERIN (1995). Sixteen of these are considered rare, endangered or vulnerable. There are four endemic palm species in three endemic genera. There are also two other endemic genera in the families Asteraceae and Gesneriaceae. Other endemic species are widely scattered among families. Endemism is particularly noticeable among ferns and in the families Asteraceae, Myrsinaceae, Myrtaceae and Rubiaceae. There are 48 species of indigenous pteriodphytes (including 19 endemic ferns) belonging to 32 genera, and 180 species of angiosperms (56 endemics) in 149 genera. A further four species are represented by endemic subspecies or varieties; there are no gymnosperms. Some of the endemics suggest recent speciation, and many have confusing origins, such as the three endemic palm genera Howea, Hedyscope and Lepidorrhachis, and also Dietes sp., the three congeners of which are endemic to southern Africa and which has seeds with apparently only short range dispersal capacity. Other noteworthy endemics are Dendrobium moorei and Bubbia howeana. Many species are threatened or have restricted distribution on the island; there is only one known plant of non-endemic Pandanus pedunculatus, and Chionochloa conspicua ssp. nov. (Poaceae) is an endemic known only from one clump on Mount Lidgbird.

The vegetation has affinities with sub-tropical and temperate rain forests, and 129 plant genera are shared with Australia, 102 with New Caledonia and only 75 with New Zealand. There are 160 naturalised, introduced plant species, mostly, but not exclusively, in the lowland settlement area. Weed species of the greatest immediate concern within the preserve are bone seed (biton bush), kikuya grass (Davey, 1986) and asparagus fern Protoasparagus eathiopicus (Lord Howe Island Board in litt., August 1995). Many other species are potentially serious problems (Davey, 1986).

Twenty-five vegetation associations in twenty alliances have been identified (Pickard, 1983). Fourteen of these associations have endemic species as their dominant components. The slopes of the northern hills are dominated mostly by Drypetes/Cryptocaria rain forest, with Howea forsterana palm forest on the flats behind North Bay and H. belmoreana palm forest in the narrower gullies running down towards Old Settlement Beach. Melaleuca/Cassinia scrubs and Cyperus and Poa grasslands occur on the exposed slopes of Mount Eliza and along the crest of the sea cliffs on the northern coast. The southern mountains are covered with a more variable suite of rain forest and palm associations, often with Pandanus along drainage lines, and with scrub and cliff associations in the more exposed parts and along the coastline. Mutton Bird Point(on the east coast) and King Point (at the southern tip) have small occurrences of Poa grassland. The upper slopes of mounts Gower and Lidgbird include areas of forest dominated by another of the endemic palms, Hedyscepe canterburyana. The very humid summit plateau on Gower and the summit ridge on Lidgbird consist of structurally distinct gnarled mossy forest (Davey, 1986).

So you can't even get the details right about what grows where on Lord Howe. Come back when you've utilized the internet to vet your theories.

44 posted on 05/21/2004 12:06:53 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Truth666

You lose credibility when the first sentence uses the non-word "endoctrinated".


45 posted on 05/21/2004 12:10:29 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Physicist

Good answer. I got my EYE on you.


46 posted on 05/21/2004 12:11:26 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: machman
what is the capital of Assyria?

The provincial capital is Babylon, but the global HQ is The Hague.

47 posted on 05/21/2004 12:15:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Truth666

YEC INTREP


48 posted on 05/21/2004 12:19:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Truth666
So all you've done is present evidence that both the flora and the fauna of this microcosm has actually had to evolve (via natural selection) to weather these climate changes that you insist on. Unless these changes and their effects are not the only viable scenario...
49 posted on 05/21/2004 12:33:30 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: Cobra Scott

Doh,

Of course he means that since evolution is false (the premise), the ice-ages make evolution false.. oh wait.. nevermind -.-


50 posted on 05/21/2004 12:37:07 PM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: Cobra Scott

500 km is not a particularly long distance for a coconut (if that is the "seed" type for this palm) to drift. If this island is surrounded by warm currents it is a fair bet that the water came from tropical areas rather than the ice caps. Same for the reef animals. Seems simple enough to me.


51 posted on 05/21/2004 12:59:41 PM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Thoro

But african swallows are non-migratory.


52 posted on 05/21/2004 1:01:30 PM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Truth666

You want evidence of the last ice age? Fly over Minnesota sometime and see all of the lakes.


53 posted on 05/21/2004 1:04:55 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: 70times7

I'm hoping you continued to read this thread and have come to absorb the many ways "Truth666" was misleading and wrong in his original post.

Yes, sometimes we can be a bit harsh, but after 23423 posts with lies, yes, lies, it becomes tough to maintain the high ground all the time.


54 posted on 05/21/2004 1:13:13 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: dirtboy

I'd hate to fall off of that rain forest!

55 posted on 05/21/2004 1:15:16 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Truth666
So, just to take these two examples, both the coral and the howea would have had to have developed from scratch during the last 10,000 years.

Oh, yeah, you're overlooking one itty bitty detail. During the Ice Ages, sea level dropped around 400 feet. Which would have left the coral reef high and dry. However, another one would have started at the lower sea level, and then re-formed at the new level. Coral grows quite quickly - Japanese planes shot down in atoll lagoons during WWII are already well-crusted with corals.

56 posted on 05/21/2004 1:40:30 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: CobaltBlue

Coconuts can float:

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pldec398.htm


57 posted on 05/21/2004 2:07:44 PM PDT by Tac12
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To: Thoro

Build a BRIDGE out of 'er!


58 posted on 05/21/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by GEC
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To: Physicist

So are you saying that the unmistakable palms of Lord Howe could have developed during the last 10,000 years from other palms ?


59 posted on 05/21/2004 5:05:20 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
That depends how different they are. Don't you think that "unmistakable" breeds of dog developed during the last 100 years?
60 posted on 05/21/2004 5:16:44 PM PDT by Physicist
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