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Will Bush Put McCain on the Ticket (Vanity)
me | May 24, 2004 | Self

Posted on 05/24/2004 3:11:38 PM PDT by Iron Eagle

Everyone keeps talking about McCain on the Democrat ticket. What if Bush tapped him as VP?

Think it is not possible?

McCain is pro-life, which fills the biggest concern for most Conservatives. (He trumps other popular names such as Powell, Ridge, Guliani, and Rice -- all of whom are pro-choice).

He brings military credibility, and a no nonsense approach that, while not popoular, is authentic.

More importantly, he is currently being lauded by democrats. In fact, Hillary is talking about supporting him on the Kerry ticket. Naming him now, puts dems in a very uncomfortable position, as they have all been building him up.

You think Bush wopn't do it? He will do and must do whatever he has to to get elected. McCain brings cross-over dems and moderates. He also is very atrtractive to independents. Bush would do it, particularly if Cheney says it is the best move.

You think McCain won't do it. Get serious. The man wants to be President. He ets to play white night in saving this administration. He gets the seat as heir apparent to the '08 nomination, and, in two years, he will be out of the House and campaigning. In essence, it would be a two yaer gig for him, where he will have real say and real independence. This is his last and best chance to be President.

I love Cheney. But he is almost certainly going to go to try to improve this ticket. In addition, he has no '08 future. The party must have an '08 advantage, and he has always known that.

Right now, Mccain is the best pick for all of these political reasons.


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Any thoughts?
1 posted on 05/24/2004 3:11:39 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: Iron Eagle

NO and HELL NO!


2 posted on 05/24/2004 3:13:57 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Iron Eagle

McCain hates Bush. His political ego has to be significantly intense for him to even consider it.


3 posted on 05/24/2004 3:15:04 PM PDT by Rebeleye
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To: Iron Eagle

"a no nonsense approach that, while not popoular, is authentic. "


That is a hoorible reason to put a guy on the ticket. I can't begin to name the turds throughout history and living today, who could fit in that sentence. Hell, Saddam was authentic and definitely not popular.


4 posted on 05/24/2004 3:17:10 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Iron Eagle

VP Cheney is the Presidents choice. I don't see that changing. PERIOD!


5 posted on 05/24/2004 3:19:02 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: Iron Eagle

Why would President Bush put his known enemy on his ticket?


6 posted on 05/24/2004 3:19:50 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: Rebeleye

LBJ and JFK weren't exactly in love with each other either, but they each figured they had something to gain. Apparently, Ronald Reagan and Bush I weren't exactly a mutual admiration society either. I think if there is a political case to be made, there is sometimes a time to hold your nose and take your medicine. I agree the animosity cuts both ways in the Bush/McCain case and that could be a problem, but if each guy thinks they could benefit, you just might see it.


7 posted on 05/24/2004 3:19:55 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Iron Eagle

Hopefully Cheney will see the handwriting on the wall and step down of his own accord.


8 posted on 05/24/2004 3:21:09 PM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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To: Iron Eagle

I think you have to be a Republican to run on our ticket.


9 posted on 05/24/2004 3:22:04 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: Iron Eagle

No. No. No.


10 posted on 05/24/2004 3:22:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Iron Eagle

Any thoughts?



LOL..... I guess my most immediate thought to your proposal is........ Ain't gonna happen. So why worry about something that is out of our control.


11 posted on 05/24/2004 3:23:08 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: Iron Eagle

McCain is NOT pro-life. He has made statements favoring the right to abortion on the public record.

McCain is frankly a lunatic as well. Although we hope not to have a vice president fill a vacancy in the presidency, it can always happen. McCain would be the worst president in U.S. history, with the possible exceptions of Carter and clinton.


12 posted on 05/24/2004 3:23:27 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tkathy

What does the handwriting on the wall say?


13 posted on 05/24/2004 3:23:28 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Retrosexual Vietnam veteran against John Kerry, proud to be a "crook" and a "liar.")
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To: Iron Eagle

McCain was so savaged by the Bush machine in 2000, he's now damaged goods. What happend to him is the same thing that happened to Bob Dole in '96. Phil Gramm, Steve Forbes and Pat Buchanan so savaged him in the primary, he was mortally wounded by time it came time to take on Clinton.


14 posted on 05/24/2004 3:23:33 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
think if there is a political case to be made, there is sometimes a time to hold your nose and take your medicine

Mondale worked miracles with choosing Geraldine Ferraro. That gathered him tremendous electoral votes.

15 posted on 05/24/2004 3:24:02 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: kaktuskid

I am so sick of these vanities. These posters just want to see their names in light for a few minutes.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 3:25:15 PM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: Iron Eagle

McCain can join the democRATS. Good Riddance!


17 posted on 05/24/2004 3:25:36 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Iron Eagle
What if Bush tapped him as VP?

What if Bush dressed up as a giant prophylactic and ran down the street?

18 posted on 05/24/2004 3:26:16 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: Rebeleye
McCain hates Bush.

Wouldn't you too if, escpecially in South Carolina, the Bush machine did to you what they did to McCain. I'm not saying that MCCain was the right man for the job. But in SC, the lies and other tactics went over the top.

19 posted on 05/24/2004 3:26:30 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: deport; All
Is it everyone's view that Cheney on the ticket would better help Bush win?

I'd love to hear why. (I love Cheney, but I can't think of how he helps us win this November.) Put another way, what vote does Cheney win for the President that he does not already have? In the end, Bush must win. Bush must win without compromising a core Republican philosophy too.
20 posted on 05/24/2004 3:27:32 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: kaktuskid

McCain could do less damage to Republicans as a Vice-President pushed into some corner office than what he can do in a divided Senate.

But McCain would never do it and Bush would never ask.


21 posted on 05/24/2004 3:27:43 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Iron Eagle

And he should raise taxes, pull our troops our of Iraq and name Hillary as his choice for next Supreme Court Justice.


22 posted on 05/24/2004 3:28:14 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Iron Eagle
I think it would be a good ticket, but unfortunately I think they truly dislike one another, and McCain (if his views differed) would think nothing of contradicting anything the President might say or propose.
23 posted on 05/24/2004 3:30:22 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Iron Eagle

"Any thoughts?"

Yeah, the only ticket McLame should be on is a ticket to France!!


24 posted on 05/24/2004 3:30:35 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Iron Eagle

Why do people persist in fantisizing about a new VP on the Bush ticket? He's already stated that Dick Cheney is his choice and will be running with him in November.


25 posted on 05/24/2004 3:32:48 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Iron Eagle

How about .... no


26 posted on 05/24/2004 3:33:58 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: DonaldDuke

hahahaha. Then even Willard might be in awe.


27 posted on 05/24/2004 3:34:13 PM PDT by kdot
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To: joesbucks

IIRC, they did go over the top. Was this the State where they (was it Falwell's people?) went after his adopted daughter? To be honest w/you I don't totally remember the circumstances, can you elaborate?


28 posted on 05/24/2004 3:34:29 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ("E meglio lavorare con qui non ti paga, e no ha parlare con qui non ti capisce!")
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To: Iron Eagle

If McCain were a waitress and Bush a customer in a diner, McCain would spit in Bush' soda and wipe her ass with the hamburger.


29 posted on 05/24/2004 3:39:40 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Iron Eagle

ARE YOU NUTS?? WHO NEEDS ANOTHER RINO...HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM COMING OUT OF THE FRUITY STATES IN EAST....ALMOST
AS BAD AS OUR TWO FLAKY SENATORS HERE IN CALIFORNIA....OH
HOW WE NEED MORE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS..ESPECIALLY SENATE...SCHUMER, CLINTON, ETC. MAKE ONE ILL..THEN THOSE
TWO FROM VERMONT..THEY HAVE DEANITIS..GEEZZZ...Jake


30 posted on 05/24/2004 3:40:47 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: Iron Eagle

NO! McCain would be a terrible choice.


31 posted on 05/24/2004 3:46:47 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: Iron Eagle

Unlike CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC and CNN, McCain knows what "torture" is -- and it ain't wearing panties on your head.


32 posted on 05/24/2004 3:48:18 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Iron Eagle
That one be one decision that President Bush could make that would guarantee that I would not vote for him in this election.
33 posted on 05/24/2004 3:52:03 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

no way it ever happens ... only thing McCain is going to be used for is as a comparison, no matter who Kerry picks for VP, they are going to look REALLY, REALLY LAME in comparison.


34 posted on 05/24/2004 3:52:50 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Iron Eagle
Last time I checked, it was the Bush-Cheney campaign.

Is Cheney a better conservative than McCain?

Obviously so.

McCain backstabs this administration so much that I think I'm watching a Janet Leigh movie.

McCain will be on the ticket sometime after hell freezes over.

35 posted on 05/24/2004 3:53:10 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Iron Eagle

Yours is the lamest "article" I've seen posted in a while. Your so-called rationale for McCain doesn't make any sense and Bush has already indicated Cheney will be the VP. Find something useful to post.


36 posted on 05/24/2004 3:54:04 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Iron Eagle

FOFLOL. Get Real ! There has never been, nor will there ever be, a day when President Bush craves power so badly that he'd actually choose to be in the same room with McCain. Ya see the problem with back stabbers like McCain is after the first blow they've lost their advantage.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 3:54:25 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Iron Eagle

Probably not. Will Bush suddenly switch parties and seek the Democrat nomination for president?


38 posted on 05/24/2004 3:58:39 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: mass55th
Why do people persist in fantisizing about a new VP on the Bush ticket? He's already stated that Dick Cheney is his choice and will be running with him in November.

EXACTLY!!! BUSH has stated that Cheney is his VP and he will not change the ticket. What disturbs me is that there are so many FReepers who don't grasp the fact that Bush is a man of honor and character. Yes, he's a politician, but he is a politician who draws the line on political expedience.

It's unfortunate that so many people here have Bush confused with his Democrat rivals.
39 posted on 05/24/2004 3:59:37 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: plain talk
"Your so-called rationale for McCain doesn't make any sense"

How so?

You answer analysis with insult -- which is not surprising anymore on FR.

Mine was not an "article." It was a vanity. Which, by the way, was posted right next to the title. Yet you chose to partake anyway. So, now that you have wandered in, why not weigh in with something substantive. Plain talk can be substantive too.

Which part of my analysis makes no sense? Why? As I ask earlier -- how does Cheney -- who I prefer too -- help us win one more vote than we already have?

As for Cheney on the ticket. He may stay. But, having sat in a few of these meetings, I can tell you that the party has always wanted him to go -- and he has always understood that he hurts the Party in '08 if he stays. (This is not a single game transaction. The GOP must look ahead, and Cheney knew that when he picked himself.) Cheney is not running in '08, nor can he win. The Party prefers, and Cheney prefers, that we be in the driver's seat in '08.

In fact, Cheney staying is more likely now, because he probably envisioned leaving with the race in the bag. Leaving with Bush under duress, sends a signal the party is not keen on sending.

Picking this President is about winning -- plain and simple. All I ask is, putting aside our conservative love for Cheney -- how does Cheney help us? And, if Cheney does not stay -- who will we pick?

How about some plain talk on that.
40 posted on 05/24/2004 4:10:01 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: Iron Eagle; plain talk
Plain Talk has made the most important point: The Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers are already printed.
41 posted on 05/24/2004 4:18:40 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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To: Iron Eagle

If the job was open I would pick Zell Miller. That would tick off the liberals and Miller (prolife) might bite. I like cheney though.


42 posted on 05/24/2004 4:18:53 PM PDT by Engine82
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To: Iron Eagle

Let's see. This is what...the 4th thread today on the topic of Dick Cheney stepping down as vice president?

Discussing this possibility is EXACTLY what the Dims WANT us to do. They put up a rumor or trial balloon and people just reach up and grab it without thinking. You may think you are being clever and taking away their supposed potential V.P. dual-party nominee, but what you are actually doing is dissing President Bush, BIG TIME. You say "I love Cheney, but..." The Dims know this is a weak spot and will use it. They want to divide and conquer because they can't win any other way.

"Any thoughts?" Yes: start supporting the fine man who is already on the ticket for 2004, Vice President Dick Cheney, and cut out the dream team speculation.


43 posted on 05/24/2004 4:19:45 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Iron Eagle

And John Kerry will put Al Gore on the ticket, oops, better not give him any ideas.


44 posted on 05/24/2004 4:21:19 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: Iron Eagle
Right now, Mccain is the best pick for all of these political reasons.

Right now, this is the only thing I can think of that would make me stay home on Election Day.

Becki

45 posted on 05/24/2004 4:24:20 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops.)
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To: Rebeleye
McCain hates Bush. His political ego has to be significantly intense for him to even consider it.

BINGO! I'd venture to say that McCain's ego is VERY intense....& he loves controversy. I say this theory is plausable......probably won't happen, but it COULD!

46 posted on 05/24/2004 4:28:30 PM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: Iron Eagle
Right now, Mccain is the best pick

Go ahead and pick McCain.... and kiss the conservative support goodbye.

47 posted on 05/24/2004 4:38:27 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Iron Eagle

My only contention was that I think it's useless speculation as President Bush has said all along that Cheney is the man.... thus unless something changes to reverse that then nothing is going to happen. My guess is that if Cheney feels he's a drag or his health becomes an issue for him then he'll be on the ticket. I personally don't think people vote for a ticket based upon the VP all that much. Maybe a state would support a candidate of their own whereby they may not if he were from some other state....

It's about three months to the convention so yes it could change but so far nothing has came out of the White House indicating anything different.


48 posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:18 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: joesbucks
That's such a load of roadapples. McCain got savaged by the Dems who tried to pin it on the 'Bush machine' in order further coopt McCain. The tactic was a classic Chicago-Democrat one, and was used again by the DNC for Al Gore in election 2000 when the DNC had their foggy little telemarketing company make the early AM calls hinting to Democrat voters that they 'might have voted for Buchanan by mistake.'
49 posted on 05/24/2004 6:01:40 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: jmaroneps37

And I'm not so sure McCain still qualifies as a Republican.


50 posted on 05/24/2004 6:33:33 PM PDT by conshack
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