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Bush Will "F--- Whack This S---" for Enron, "Crude, But True"(CBS Rather Blathers Enron Bush Tie)
MRC ^ | Wednesday June 2, 2004 | BrentBaker

Posted on 06/02/2004 3:18:52 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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1 posted on 06/02/2004 3:18:53 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Forgive me, but were they not manipulating the market during the Clinton Administration?


2 posted on 06/02/2004 3:21:49 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: fight_truth_decay
Wow. See-BS does it again, with guilt-by-association masquerading as journalism.

CBS is gonna have to answer for a lot after Bush gets re-elected.

3 posted on 06/02/2004 3:26:21 PM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
CBS News reporter Vince Gonzales maintained that back in 2000 "they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices."

Bush was not President in 2000 and Clinton did little to hinder his buddies at Enron.

4 posted on 06/02/2004 3:29:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Not only that, but if memory serves, it was Clinton who played golf with Ken Lay.
5 posted on 06/02/2004 3:30:26 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

It is just me, or does anyone else think the press is getting desperate for subjects to bash Bush with? With the same vigor with which they ignored Clinton's transgressions, they have brought up everything they could find, distort or torture into an anti-Bush piece. I think they're beginning to fear they won't be able to influence the election and seem to be going for broke.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 3:33:15 PM PDT by Spok
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To: fight_truth_decay

So, Bush holds a legitimate free market position against price caps and he's in bed with Enron? Rather's an idiot.


7 posted on 06/02/2004 3:36:29 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: fight_truth_decay; Ernest_at_the_Beach; snopercod; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; randita; Carry_Okie
I have heard quite a bit recently about these tapes, in the hope that they are the "smoking gun" that will allow some PNW utilties to get FERC to change its mind and force the bankruptcy Judge in the Enron case to provide for a bigger share of money to move toward these utilities and allow them to reduce their Enron-related obligations to the federal bankruptcy court.

I am not sure what will happen when the dust settles, but I doubt that it will change much at FERC. Part of the problem is that it is very difficult to retroactively unwind all of the short term and power market spot sales. It is even harder to figure out who made money and who lost money. If there was a big pot of money that Enron and others had, it would be easier to come up with a solution.

As it is now, a lot of "innocent" PNW public utilities got hammered by high prices to keep the lights on in California. They are fighting that tooth and nail and want to reset the clock and get refunds.

8 posted on 06/02/2004 3:37:55 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: MizSterious

Yes, and if I remember correctly, when Enron started having money problems, Lay went to Bush, via Clinton's ex-Sec of Treasury Rubin, asking for a bail-out. Bush said "No!" I wonder why Dan didn't say anything about that? Bernie Goldberg's Bias.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 3:39:19 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: fight_truth_decay
I expect any night now Dan Rather will begin his news broadcast wearing panties on his head. And insisting that the Bush Administration, with the help of Enron and Halliburton, placed them there.
10 posted on 06/02/2004 3:40:06 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: Robert357
What these tapes mostly show is that some Enron employees had foul mouths and were enjoying the dysfunctional market in California. Their actual evidentiary value is not terribly high, except for that one quote where the employee was recommending taking a power plant offline.

A good report would have included information as to whose plant that was, and whether it was in fact taken offline. But the purpose of this story was not to provide facts or context. It was to smear George Bush, even though he had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 3:48:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Spok
It is just me, or does anyone else think the press is getting desperate for subjects to bash Bush with?

Like Rush said this morning, you haven't seen anything yet. Some of these characters will be foaming at the mouth by October. I won't be surprised if Ratherbiased breaks down in tears on national TV, if Dubya has a good lead by that time. What bothers me is that many of my parents' generation tune in to RatherJenningsBrokaw every night, and soak up their propaganda like a sponge.

12 posted on 06/02/2004 3:53:18 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: fight_truth_decay
The corruption began during the Clinton Administration and came to light and ended under the Bush Administration.

I don't remember the details but if I remember correctly there was something fishy during the Clintons' administration involving Enron and India.

Didn't Lay sleep in the WH when Bill was there.

13 posted on 06/02/2004 3:53:25 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If anyone other than low grade morons got their "news" from Dan Rather, this just might be.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 3:55:24 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Foreign leaders for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: MizSterious
Enron En-Fluence: Bill Clinton
15 posted on 06/02/2004 3:59:47 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: fight_truth_decay

So Dan Rather will take the blame for the ranting of all the low level CBS employees?


16 posted on 06/02/2004 4:07:47 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: lonestar

The Chinese deal with Enron has its roots with former Vice President Al Gore. In 1998, Gore wrote the Chinese leadership, urging them to sign lucrative contracts with Enron.

The Clinton-Gore National Security Council and Vice President Gore strong-armed Mozambique so that Enron could obtain an exclusive deal using threats of aid cuts as leverage.It would take two visits from VP Gore and Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary to South Africa to convince the Pretoria government to buy the Enron deal.

During Clinton's eight years in office, the company and Lay contributed about $900,000 to the Democratic Party. Former Enron officials said an important part of their strategy to win favor with the Gore campaign was a significant increase in the company's donations to Democrats. In 1999 and 2000, the company gave $362,000 in soft-money donations to Democrats.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/14/124745.shtml

1999 Gov. Gray Davis of California led a $200,000 trade trip to Europe that was very high on the Enron list. Davis tripped on California taxpayer expense with his wife in ancient Greece, lobbying on behalf of Enron Wind for the "Greek Wind Project."

1999 documents are part of a long string of heavy lobbying efforts that the Clinton administration carried out to convince the Greeks to buy Enron Wind products for Crete.

Enron also pushed the limits inside the former Yugoslavia. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown worked on an Enron contract in Croatia just prior to his death in 1996.

1997, Enron executives flew to Croatia with Clinton Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor. The trade trip took place just after Enron executives made a $100,000 donation to the DNC. As a result, Enron struck a deal with the Croatian government to build a power station and run it for 20 years at a highly inflated price of nearly $200 million above market prices.

The most infamous Enron project is the troubled Dabhol power plant in India. President Clinton highlighted Enron's problems with its planned $3 billion Dabhol power project in a short "FYI" note to his chief of staff Mack McLarty. McLarty worked with Enron and the U.S. ambassador in New Delhi to keep tabs on the Dabhol project.

Four days before India finally granted approval for the project, Enron donated $100,000 to the DNC.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/23/133051.shtml

Many former Clinton administration officials eventually went to work for Enron, including former White House counsel Jack Quinn, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, former Assistant Treasury Secretary Linda Robertson, former Chair of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Elizabeth Moler, and the former media adviser to Vice President Al Gore, Greg Simon.

The newly released documents show that the Clinton administration worked for Enron in China, Vietnam, South Africa, India, Brazil, Argentina, Mozambique, South Korea, Japan, Belgium, France, Russia, the Philippines, the West Bank and Uzbekistan.

Guess Rather is suffering from amnesia.






17 posted on 06/02/2004 4:23:21 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Dog Gone

The media won't be able to sell the message that Bush was protecting his Enron friends because the timeline won't work. The attack at Bush will be for not admitting the markets were manipulated and bailing out California. Bush allowed the fiscal situation in California to deteriorate for partisan gain. Bush insiders were being told the California voters would become so upset with Grey Davis that they would recall him from office and elect a Republican instead. The next step for the media is to establish some sort of connection between the Bush administration and the Davis recall effort.

The media knows that there is no way the Bush administration could have foreseen such events much less rigged them, but all they will be trying to do is cast doubt in the mind of enough voters to skew the election results. The Bush re-election effort will be taken off message dealing with this recycled media created "scandal".


18 posted on 06/02/2004 4:28:32 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: fight_truth_decay

Let me see if I understand this right. They committed crimes during the Clinton administration because they "knew" Bush was going to be elected. Do I have that right?


20 posted on 06/02/2004 4:34:24 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Poodlebrain
I don't think Enron or the California power crisis will have any impact on this election unless California starts having blackouts again this summer.

I am totally convinced that the American public, in any meaningful numbers, can't remember anything longer than six months.

This story is a nice one-day smear, but it's just part of a never-ending campaign to elect Kerry. By itself, I don't think it means much.

21 posted on 06/02/2004 4:35:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: fight_truth_decay

BOYCOTT CBS IT IS A HAZARD TO AMERICAN FREEDOM>


22 posted on 06/02/2004 4:36:46 PM PDT by solo gringo (Always Ranting Always Rite)
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To: solo gringo

Is it free speech to publish the addresses of journalists?


23 posted on 06/02/2004 4:39:27 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Liberalism is communism one drink at a time)
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To: dero

What did Lay and Enron donate to Clinton and the DNC other than the $100,000 mention earlier?


24 posted on 06/02/2004 4:40:52 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: atomicpossum
At the rate see-BS is going, by this time next year they will have less viewers than CNN.
25 posted on 06/02/2004 4:41:39 PM PDT by snooker (John Flipping Kerry, the enemy's choice in Vietnam, the enemy's choice in Iraq.)
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To: dero
During Clinton's eight years in office, the company and Lay contributed about $900,000 to the Democratic Party. Former Enron officials said an important part of their strategy to win favor with the Gore campaign was a significant increase in the company's donations to Democrats. In 1999 and 2000, the company gave $362,000 in soft-money donations to Democrats.

Never mind to my question about donations to Dems.

27 posted on 06/02/2004 4:43:25 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Dan Rather -- the anchorman who blushed and gushed before Saddam.


28 posted on 06/02/2004 4:44:56 PM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver.")
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To: Dog Gone

There were a couple of guys down at the local pub hammering on Bush. I have it on tape. You think Dan will air it for me?


31 posted on 06/02/2004 4:53:48 PM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: NeonKnight

Absolutely. You could probably sell it to him for big bucks.


32 posted on 06/02/2004 4:58:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: gov_bean_ counter

that's correct.

if rather wasn't an a-h, he'd question what the s.e.c under the clinton admin. was doing, or rather, not doing.


33 posted on 06/02/2004 5:01:22 PM PDT by no_problema
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To: gov_bean_ counter
were they not manipulating the market during the Clinton Administration?

Actually, all the investigations to date have not found any manipulation at all, or very little.

But the liberal press is desperate for anything they can pin on President Bush, so they keep telling the big lie in hopes it will catch on if they repeat it enough times.

35 posted on 06/02/2004 5:21:14 PM PDT by snopercod (I'm a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
That's right. Enron made so much money manipulating the energy markets that they promptly went out of business.

And I also believe that John Kerry was a war hero.

36 posted on 06/02/2004 5:23:17 PM PDT by snopercod (I'm a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Oh, what I would pay to have Dan Rather alone for just 5 minutes. In a dark alley.

/from an old Pantera song, "Five Minutes Alone"

38 posted on 06/02/2004 5:26:09 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Party Before Country" - The New Motto of the Democratic Party)
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To: fight_truth_decay
MY EMAIL TO SEE B.S. "NEWS"

Dan Rather & the whole "decision"-making crew at CBS Evening News:

Lousy lead story tonight, again trying to dredge up the old Enron thing. Bill Clinton's administration was the one presiding when Enron was bilking investors and, allegedly, consumers. He did squat.

California since then has voted in a Republican governor...and the Ashcroft Justice Department has gone after a lot of the suspected perps in Enron. Breaks your heart, eh?

Trying to make Bush the bad guy here is foolishness. Gonzales and Rather both should know the Enron guys called and asked for special help from the Bush administration and were REFUSED. Guess that never made it into your report.

And the economic _fact_ that price caps DECREASE supply and are a _drain_ on the economy. A simple review of a very elementary book 'Basic Economics' by Dr. Thomas Sowell would provide the evidence for that statement. But, again, simple facts aren't in the agenda, are they? CBS gatekeepers would rather shade their journalism a very bright yellow.

The pathetically biased reporting from CBS is just another evidence as to why networks are trending toward a loss in market share while cable and internet sources of news are gaining. Who do you really think you're fooling? Even your older-trending demographics aren't going to buy this anti-Bush bilge forever.

40 posted on 06/02/2004 5:42:20 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: fight_truth_decay; Spok

More breathless coverage of the epithet-filled Enron tapes tonight. Sure seemed like Dan wanted you to associate this "scandal" with Pres. Bush.

Tonight's lead-in was a Breathless Dan "exclusive" that Pres. Bush has obtained a private attorney in the case of the public outing of the not-so-secret agent Ms. Pflame, enabling them to dredge up that whole story again.

I watched all the alphabets tonight to see how they covered the President's fine Air Force Academy speech. NBC was the only coverage briefly using the President's own words. PBS left the event out entirely. The other two had scant one-liner coverage, spinning the speech as equating Iraq with WWII. NBC had comprehensive coverage of the launching of "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Tonight's far more important topics included Chalabi, air national guard recruitment, military "stop loss" policy, old Gen. Skarpinski shoplifting story, teen antidepressant use, and the South Dakota "pivotal election" of someone who will serve for five months. PBS added earthquake prediction, and analysis of whose campaign ads are more believable (guess).

No cable here. If it weren't for FR, I might have been tempted to believe the "news" was really news.


41 posted on 06/02/2004 5:45:17 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: dero
I liked that article you linked.

There's absolutely no way that California avoids more blackouts this decade. Demand for electricity continues to grow as the population increases, more homes are being built, and the economy kicks into high gear again.

It took the Perfect Storm of bad legislation, high natural gas prices, Enron, and a drought in the Pacific Northwest to create the last crisis. It won't require that much the next time. Demand is up several thousand megawatts since the last crisis, and new plants haven't been built to match it.

There's a drought in the Pacific Northwest again this year.

42 posted on 06/02/2004 5:51:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Nice letter! I Love It!


44 posted on 06/02/2004 6:11:59 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'll donate to the RNC after the nuclear annillation of a few Middle East countries!)
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To: dero

If I remember correctly, the biggest trouble with Enron was the fake companies the big-wigs were creating on paper and doctoring the books.


46 posted on 06/02/2004 6:22:51 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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I think they just saw a bunch of suckers. California DIDN'T deregulate, they only deregulated halfway. That's what cause the problem. Arizona deregulated all the way and we all saved a bunch of money. Of course, we didn't have an idiot like Grey Davis doing the negotiating.


47 posted on 06/02/2004 6:31:14 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: dero
Um, Great, dero. This is not weird at all. I see impartiality and fairness in this JD. Some of the people currently griping about this would be the LOUDEST ones bitching if Ashcroft hadn't recused himself.

I am highly amused, but only for a moment, when Bush-bashers try to indict the officials of this administration for doing the right thing.

His JD is still the one doing the investigating...Ashcroft isn't involved in the day-to-day...not necessarily because he is being coerced by the law, but because he wants to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Unlike Democrat Party Operatives of all stripes: who revel in such appearances.

My statements in the letter to See BS "News" are accurate and stand without need for change or amendment.

48 posted on 06/02/2004 6:33:45 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

This will get as far as the last attempt to discredit Bush, and that went NOWHERE!!


50 posted on 06/02/2004 6:36:57 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we Must!!! (Bombard))
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