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POPE LIVE ON FOX WITH BUSH
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121750,00.html ^ | 4JUNE2004 | ME

Posted on 06/04/2004 3:49:33 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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To: CasearianDaoist
He faces his critics which open hands. It is just amazing.

I have been genuinely impressed by this, too.

81 posted on 06/04/2004 4:36:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

NO, he can step down. I do not know what you mean by "willingly." He can retire if he choses to. There is even a resignation in the list that you post here.


82 posted on 06/04/2004 4:37:55 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: YaYa123

I missed it and I think I'm glad. I just heard a replay of some of the Pope's remarks and it is very painful.


83 posted on 06/04/2004 4:38:26 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: CasearianDaoist

Good analysis, right on the money. The PTOUS' visit will not change minds, the fault lines in the Catholic Church are drawn smack dab over abortion and homosexuality.


84 posted on 06/04/2004 4:38:54 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: livius

I think it is the honest Christian in him (and a good upbring.) That is not to say that he does not have sound character - do not get me wrong about that.


85 posted on 06/04/2004 4:39:45 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: texasflower

It is significant for American Catholics who are devout (and most likely vote Republican) to see the Methodist President visit the Pope. Despite the animosity of some Protestants he does represent over a billion members of the Church on earth. It seems to the Muslims (who have long memories and remember non-wimpy Christians) that he represents the leader of Christianity more than any other figure.
As for Kerry, well, I am sure he could have an audience with the Pope. I am certain the Pope would be very frank with him regarding the precarious position of his soul should he continue to defend the death cult. All the Church can do is appeal to his conscience and apply excommunication when it is deemed necessary.
I appreciate that American Fundamentalist Protestants have picked up the ball dropped by (most, not all) wimpy Catholic bishops regarding the abortion horror.


86 posted on 06/04/2004 4:43:53 AM PDT by stanley windrush
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Is the Pope allowed to retire? Seriously.

I think so. Eventually, he may have to.

However, his perseverence in the face of suffering is an example for all Christians. There's also a lesson here for our modern society that seeks to prematurely institutionalize the infirm, or put them to death.

87 posted on 06/04/2004 4:45:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Ragirl

Here's the text of the Pope's speech:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1147368/posts


88 posted on 06/04/2004 4:46:56 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Sacajaweau

How do you though he helped destroy communism, for sure not from Vatican and communist didn’t arrived to Vatican. However his influences are more useable in Catholic countries.


89 posted on 06/04/2004 4:47:41 AM PDT by Lukasz (Hey don't look for my horrible mistakes, I'm learning English here!)
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To: CasearianDaoist
NO, he can step down

I think you misunderstand. It's NOT the custom for a Pope to resign willingly. Those that have left office and have not died in it (a VERY small list), were kicked out due to a political coup.

90 posted on 06/04/2004 4:48:18 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: texasflower
Would Kerry be allowed to have an audience with the Pope given his stance on abortion?

Anyone can have an audience with the pope, even the man who tried to assasinate him. Kerry would never do it because the pope would very likely mention the obligation of politicians to protect unborn children in a public statement. I doubt the pope would allow himself to be used as a photo op, as Cardinals McCarrick and Mahoney have done.

91 posted on 06/04/2004 4:50:04 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: razorbak
Gives whole new meaning to the word DODDERING.

Courageous.
92 posted on 06/04/2004 4:52:55 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: stanley windrush; Aquinasfan

Thank you both for the information. I appreciate it.


94 posted on 06/04/2004 4:58:02 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Jonx6; kcvl
Not in my neck of the woods. Only the eldery ones are not too willful to do it.

Not in my neck of the woods either ..

95 posted on 06/04/2004 5:00:14 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Curiously, the more conservative elements if the Church are from the third world. These folk have not yet reached a powerful political critical mass (no pun intended) but they may yet do so.

There are those who are not from the third world at all and recognize that all the worldliness of the modern church has brought us nothing but trouble. After 2000 years, you'd think the church had some wisdom, but the modernists doubt it.
96 posted on 06/04/2004 5:00:57 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: stanley windrush

Nicely put. There is amazing anti Catholic rhetoric and blatant hostility among Protestants voting Democrat.

I remember reading in the papers after Bush's first meeting with the Pope how the Pope had been appreciative that W was attentive and respectful. The Pope then added that 42 (also known as the most useless man in America) was inattentive and politely inferred that he was a disrespectful know-it-all.


97 posted on 06/04/2004 5:02:35 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: texasflower

Many of the "old school" catholics see this as important. You can probably put the catholic spectrum of Hispanics (particularly the recently immigrated) in that category as well. Note: this is, of course, a rather braod generalization.


98 posted on 06/04/2004 5:18:03 AM PDT by Coachm
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To: kcvl
Pope called for Iraq to have sovereignty back as soon as possible.

Since he was against the war does that mean he also wants Saddam back
99 posted on 06/04/2004 5:22:35 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: monkapotamus
Here's the text of the Pope's speech:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1147368/posts

Thank you!

100 posted on 06/04/2004 5:22:41 AM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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