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LIVE THREAD: Reagan State Funeral Ceremony: Arrival at the Capitol
www.freerepublic.com | June 9, 2004

Posted on 06/09/2004 1:36:48 PM PDT by Howlin

Arrival at Andrews Air Force Base scheduled for 5 P.M. EDT.

Beginning of procession: 16th and Constitution at 6:00 P.M.

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The procession begins at 16 th Street and Constitution Avenue with the ceremonial transfer of remains of former President Ronald Reagan from a hearse to a horse-drawn caisson for the processional to the Capitol. The casket transfer will take place at 6 p.m. and caisson continues east with formal military escort.

The public will be able to pay final respects while the remains lie in state in the Capitol rotunda from 7:00 p.m. through Friday, June 11, 2004 at 9:30 a.m.


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To: Netizen; missyme
Well, you drew my attention with this and I cannot let it just stand :

To: missyme John 20:17 ... He is making it as clear as he possibly can that he is one of US and not a god.

If he were "making it as clear as he possibly can" he would clearly say "I am not God." But He doesn't say that. He became one of us but he is also God, and always was before we were made, and always will be. He is not the Father... and He is not the Holy Spirit. And neither are They Him. Yet the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God and Christ is God. They are different aspects of one God.

No mere man, no prophet can take upon himself the sins of all humanity and pay them in full.

"I do not pray for these only, but also for those who are to believe in Me through their word, that they may all be one; even as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they may also be in Us, so that the world may believe Thou hast sent Me." -- John 17: 20-21

That 'Us' means something...

Jesus prayed to his Father, and told us to do likewise. He prayed to the Father even though he said the Father is in Him and He in the Father

Jesus also prayed to His Father: "the glory which thou hast given Me I have given to them, that they may be one even as We are one."

... and the 'We are one' means soomething. There is a reason for that 'We are one' talk. Jesus is not to be considered apart from God.

In reference to Christ, the bible says: "all things were made through Him." -- John 1:3 . But God is the Creator- so how can this be if Jesus is not God?

Christ has no beginning... he was with God always. "He was in the beginning with God," -- John 1:2. In other words, He was not 'created,' like a mere man or anything else in the universe is created. He was never separate from God. He is eternal. Nothing less than God is eternal.

He can be everywhere at once, with each of us at all times, even when we are not with each other. This is no mere and mortal man, no mere prophet, not just one of us, as we can ony be in one place at a time. "...I am with you always."--matthew 28:20

Jesus is eternal and changeless : "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." -- Hebrews 13:8

And here's this biggie refering to Jesus Christ: "for in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." -- colossians 2:9

Jesus also told us how to pray- he said to pray to the FATHER.

"Our Father, who art in Heaven..." remember?

Why? Because Jesus was NOT God.

Was that a cock I heard crowing? Will it crow two more times, as in Peter's day, when he made his denials? The Bible says quite the opposite:

"For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." -- Isaiah, 9:6

Why would the Son be named "Mighty God" is He wasn't?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father." -- John 1: 1, 14

Jesus didn't cease to be the Word just because He took our form.

Why did Jesus say "Go therefor and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?"

Are you saying these three things are not God? If so, why would he tell people to baptize all nations in the name of things other than God? He didn't- these are the one God.

*******

And as for those who've never read it concerning Reagan's view:

"...either [Jesus] was what he said he was or he was the world's greatest liar. It is impossible for me to believe a liar or charlatan could have had the effect on mankind that he has had for 2000 years. We could ask, would even the greatest of liars carry his lie through the crucifixion, when a simple confession would have saved him? ... Did he allow us the choice... to believe in his teaching but reject his statements about his own identity?" -- Ronald Reagan, on the divinity of Jesus, in a 1978 letter to a California pastor); see the book "Reagan: A Life in Letters." See also "Nancy reveals Reagan's letter to Brezhnev," by TIM CORNWELL DEPUTY FOREIGN EDITOR, The Scotsman, Scotland's national Newspaper Online, http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=1051042003 , for a partial quote of it

*****

That said, when Christians refer to God we refer to Christ as well; we refer to the Father and the Holy Spirit. So we're not letting Christ down when in secular proceedings we refer to God instead of naming all aspects of Him. it may not be witnessing for Christ in an open way but God will use that to his own ends. As for ours prayer we were told to not make a show of praying, or rub people's faces in it, but to go into our rooms and pray.

Once more, since it needs repeating: "for in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." -- colossians 2:9

3,501 posted on 06/10/2004 1:18:13 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: bunches

I think there was an article posted today about
how earlier this week Levin took a bad fall. Therefore he was in extreme pain last night and ought be forgiven. : )

Regarding the casket being off center..

It was tilted right as it should be : )

Regarding attire in both Simi and Capital. Not a big deal. I am just glad they all went. I wish I could have : )



3,502 posted on 06/10/2004 1:27:40 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: NautiNurse

Im trying to keep an eye on Cspan.


3,503 posted on 06/10/2004 1:28:24 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny

me too


3,504 posted on 06/10/2004 1:33:44 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: Howlin








Mikhel Gorbachov
3,505 posted on 06/10/2004 1:43:34 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: NautiNurse

GOrbachev was just there WOW people must be stunned in that room.


3,506 posted on 06/10/2004 1:43:40 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny

It was very touching to see Gorby there to pay his respects. He hung back for a bit and then gently touched the flag on the casket. I bet the people there were floored! Wish I could be there.


3,507 posted on 06/10/2004 1:45:06 PM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: alisasny

Wow, this is just awesome !!


3,508 posted on 06/10/2004 1:45:37 PM PDT by Rainmist (America ! America ! God shed His grace on thee !!)
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To: TomGuy

I guess old gorby was not half bad either

Just came in from painting hall way at my house i caught some of the best stuff on my quick breaks


3,509 posted on 06/10/2004 1:45:42 PM PDT by al baby
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To: Ragirl

I hope they let the public stay when President Bush goes tonight.


3,510 posted on 06/10/2004 1:45:47 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny

GWB should be there in about 1 hour and 15 minutes, per his press conference at bit earlier.


3,511 posted on 06/10/2004 1:46:55 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: alisasny

Gave me chills. He looks remarkably good these days too.


3,512 posted on 06/10/2004 1:47:55 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: TomGuy

GWB is slated to go at 7 pm has that now changed or is that when his plane arrives?

Then he is going to call on Mrs. Reagan afterwards. I doubt he will be speaking. I hope he goes with his father : )


3,513 posted on 06/10/2004 1:49:59 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: Rainmist

I was watching today when the new Pres. of Iraq went in. That was awesome too. Amazing how I can keep watching this.


3,514 posted on 06/10/2004 1:50:48 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: Ragirl

From what I understand, both Reagan and Gorbechev had something else in common--believing mothers who prayed for their sons. I believe that there was a spiritual tie between these two men that may have been obscured at the time by the immensity of the issues they discussed.


3,515 posted on 06/10/2004 1:52:21 PM PDT by twigs
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To: alisasny

C-SPAN reports the Rotunda viewing wait is up to 4-5 hours.


3,516 posted on 06/10/2004 1:53:15 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: NautiNurse

Was taking my son to his tutor and we had radio on. Some 30 or so people have fainted while waiting on line and needed medical care. My son said they should let the older and frail go to the front of the line because the younger people are strong enough to wait longer. He is 11.

I nearly shed a tear right then and there. I love my son so much.


3,517 posted on 06/10/2004 1:54:46 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: Ragirl
Wish I could be there.

You're perhaps watching this on CSPAN; if not, you're seeing "almost live" pictures being posted here by TomGuy and other talents; you're participating in the Forum; and you have a longing to personally express your respects with those of like mind in DC.

It was told to me the other night when I couldn't attend the viewing just down the pike from me in Simi -- "You're there in spirit." And along with the rest of us, who are participating in the best way that we can, by viewing and by prayer, I'm sure that our good wishes are being felt by the President's family. I know it's not like being there in person, but I believe that it's the next best thing.

:)

3,518 posted on 06/10/2004 1:55:52 PM PDT by Boomer Geezer (God Bless ALL of our military and Vets -- past and present!)
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To: TomGuy; alisasny
I really like this old pic


3,519 posted on 06/10/2004 1:56:16 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: alisasny

Please give that fine boy a hug from me and tell him thank you....and tell him THAT is part of what President Reagan stood for.


3,520 posted on 06/10/2004 1:57:36 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (God Bless America)
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To: piasa

Excellent POST!!!!
Thank YOUUUU!
I could not said it any better..
GOD created us in his own image....
All is one -Father-Son-Holy Spirit=GOD ALmighty Creator of the Universe...


3,521 posted on 06/10/2004 1:59:41 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Brad's Gramma

Taake a look at the tribute to Reagan on "www.nationalmorality.com". It is a new web site with a number of good articles.


3,522 posted on 06/10/2004 2:01:14 PM PDT by Texboy
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To: alisasny
"I take the death of Ronald Reagan very hard," Gorbachev told reporters. "He was a man whom fate set by me in perhaps the most difficult years at the end of the 20th century."

"He has already entered history as a man who was instrumental in bringing about the end of the Cold War," he added, his voice often falling to near-inaudible levels as he spoke in a room lined with memorabilia.

3,523 posted on 06/10/2004 2:01:49 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: NautiNurse

I love that old picture.

Thanks to you and everyone for all the photos. They are truly appreciated.


3,524 posted on 06/10/2004 2:01:55 PM PDT by Letitring
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To: hole_n_one

O-MG! Thank you for posting this. What a pair they were.


3,525 posted on 06/10/2004 2:04:44 PM PDT by Letitring
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To: alisasny
GWB is slated to go at 7 pm has that now changed or is that when his plane arrives?

At his press conference, about 45 minutes ago, he said he would be at the rotunda in about an hour and a half.

That would put him there areound 5 pm EDT. We'll just have to wait and see.
3,526 posted on 06/10/2004 2:11:39 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Letitring; alisasny
Former Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev embraces former U.S. first lady Nancy Reagan at the Blair House in Washington, D.C. on June 10, 2004. 'I'm so glad you're here,' Mrs. Reagan told Gorbachev.


3,527 posted on 06/10/2004 2:12:00 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo

Ping to 3433
More than Clinton's inaugural, more than the Million Man march.


3,528 posted on 06/10/2004 2:14:23 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Howlin


Rudy didn't seem to cut in line.



3,529 posted on 06/10/2004 2:15:14 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: NautiNurse

Oh wow! Doesn't it warm your heart and rip it up at the same time?

I'm so proud and thankful for the send off we are giving this beloved man.

TCM running tribute movies, all day, of the great Ronnie. :)


3,530 posted on 06/10/2004 2:16:29 PM PDT by Letitring
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To: TomGuy

WOW, Sen. Mccain and Rudy...I take a shower and almost missed this.

Cindy looks great for having just been sick with an anerysm.


3,531 posted on 06/10/2004 2:16:29 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: Howlin

I am astonished at the number of young people and kids. Also, the number disabled, in wheel chairs, etc., who have come. You know it is difficult for them. But they came anyway.

[And the lib are on meltdown watch -- snicker.]


3,532 posted on 06/10/2004 2:16:55 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: TomGuy

What time did Howlin hope to make it into the rotunda? I hope around 7 pm : )

Tom, thankyou so much for all the screen captures : ) Great job

Should we have a live thread for Pres. Bush at 7 pm?


3,533 posted on 06/10/2004 2:18:40 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny

Was that Karzai from Afghanistan?


3,534 posted on 06/10/2004 2:20:51 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: hankbrown

What, are they saying the mourners can be counted in hundreds? Or dozens? Bwahahaaaaa!


3,535 posted on 06/10/2004 2:23:36 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: alisasny

Yeah, Rudy stopped over to talk to McCain and his wife.


3,536 posted on 06/10/2004 2:23:47 PM PDT by ELS
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To: alisasny

Young guy, no more then 35-40 walked in saluted and then blew a kiss. I really am stunned by how many people have gone that were too young to even have voted for Reagan.


3,537 posted on 06/10/2004 2:24:06 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny

I've noticed how most people, on the whole, are rather smartly dressed.


3,538 posted on 06/10/2004 2:25:23 PM PDT by wolficatZ (_><))))*>__( D-DAY - 6th of June +60 +4 ***Oradour-sur-Glane***)
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To: Howlin
Honor Guards change in progress.

3,539 posted on 06/10/2004 2:28:47 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: alisasny; TomGuy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1151343/posts


LIVE THREAD: Pres. Bush pays respects and calls on Mrs. Reagan


COME ON OVER : )


3,540 posted on 06/10/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by alisasny (GODSPEED DEAR SWEET PRINCE OF MEN RONALD REAGAN : ))
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To: alisasny
Another Gorbachev pic taken earlier

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3,541 posted on 06/10/2004 2:28:59 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: alisasny

Did you see that young Army guy, in uniform, with his bandaged arms - the right hand off at the wrist and the left arm off at the elbow - and on crutches to boot - salute the coffin earlier today ? What a sight. God I love our military men !


3,542 posted on 06/10/2004 2:30:26 PM PDT by Rainmist (America ! America ! God shed His grace on thee !!)
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To: TomGuy

Thanks so much for posting the pics for the cubical-bound!


That's my way of asking that you keep 'em coming!


Please... :-)


3,543 posted on 06/10/2004 2:31:10 PM PDT by ILBBACH (Thank you, Gipper!)
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To: alisasny

I was watch around 4:00am central time and a young man walked in wearing civies, stood at attention, and saluted as smartly as I've ever seen it done.

It really got to me.




3,544 posted on 06/10/2004 2:33:46 PM PDT by ILBBACH (Thank you, Gipper!)
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To: alisasny
My son said they should let the older and frail go to the front of the line because the younger people are strong enough to wait longer. He is 11.

You have raised him right, as I hope I have my 14 and 11 year old boys.

3,545 posted on 06/10/2004 2:34:40 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Texboy

Thanks! I'll do that!


3,546 posted on 06/10/2004 2:45:38 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (God Bless America)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Over 65,000 posts!

Wow.

3,547 posted on 06/10/2004 3:11:39 PM PDT by LincolnLover (LSU: 2003 National Football Champions, GEAUXING FOR TWO in 2004!)
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To: LincolnLover

That is actually a functional limit of the software, if you try to reply to it, it won't take any more.


3,548 posted on 06/10/2004 4:34:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (farewell to a great president.)
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To: NonValueAdded
That funeral made a tremendous impression on me. I'm not sure how much I actually remember about it as it occured or how much I've picked up over the years. Anyhow, I am surprised by how much I remember.

If I'm not mistaken, the Navy Hymn was played at the foot of some steps, probably as the casket arrived or departed the Capitol. Jackie Kennedy was so atuned to the historical significance of those solemn days, so aware of every detail of protocol and yet determined to personalize it for her husband's memory. She selected the Navy Hymn to signify his military service and I'm almost positive there was bagpipe music at Arlington in honor of his Irish heritage.

3,549 posted on 06/10/2004 5:21:30 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
So what? This is a family in mourning, and I'd ask for a little peace. I'm sorry if it's beyond you or others to ask that they not be nit-picked at this particular time.

You don't have to be so hostile, ya know. And I wasn't nitpicking. I was just pointing out that many people have mentioned this, not just the one person you picked on.

The fact that Michael was sitting where he was in relation to the others was brought up on FOX and discussed with someone who knows a little about the Reagan's. There have been problems. Hopefully, they will be able to put some of it behind them.

3,550 posted on 06/10/2004 5:24:10 PM PDT by valleygal
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